First; 5x5 1000W HID scrog w/ White Gold and The Church x Deadhead OG

Couple of pictures. Day 6 of flower and I'm pretty sure I've got two males (see pics below). I suspected anyway so no surprise there.. Going to take them out tonight if I can find the energy. Hopefully it will help control the humidity and the air flow in the tent and I can focus on the ladies only. Woohoo 2 less plants to water lol. So take a look at the second pic, guys. Not as obvious as pic number one but I'm pretty sure it's a male. Anyways, going to switch to a HPS bulb tomorrow.






Here are some pics of the canopy from the top and sides going in to day 7 flower. Do they look normal for day 6? I've got this fear that there's a light leak disrupting the cycle even though I checked for that. First time at this stage in a grow indoors though so I'm not sure what to look for.







That's all for tonight folks. I shall return soon!

Your plants are looking amazing I must say. Sad about that two brucies. Eager to see some HPS pics also bru

so pretty!! so greeeen. a nice color greeeeeeen as well! at day 7 you're just looking for that stretch and some pistols to start showing. my guess is you will see lots more of bud production in the next few days. since the first half or so of the stretch is over!

Your camera is awesome btw... are you using your phone?!

QuikWay said:

so pretty!! so greeeen. a nice color greeeeeeen as well! at day 7 you're just looking for that stretch and some pistols to start showing. my guess is you will see lots more of bud production in the next few days. since the first half or so of the stretch is over!

Your camera is awesome btw... are you using your phone?!

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Yeah, I did a lot of searching to see where others are at at day 6-7. Right around the same as I am. A lot of people switch immediately to HPS though which I didn't, I wonder if that makes any difference? I've got the HPS on now though. Crazy looking. Different from pictures, for sure. My fingers are certainly crossed for more bud production in the next week. I mean, as long as nothing goes wrong, it's inevitable, right lol. She's getting a water and a feed tomorrow too, gonna boost the bloom ferts. I don't plan on going pure bloom until 3 weeks. I'm only needing to water like once every 4-5 days based off how the plants look anyway.

Yeah, it's just a Galaxy S4 for the pictures. That's like a 4 year old phone man lol. You rockin' a flip phone or somethin?

Pat999 said:

Your plants are looking amazing I must say. Sad about that two brucies. Eager to see some HPS pics also bru

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Thanks for the kind words! They are just looking better and better. I've been meaning to post the first HPS pics since I switched, so here ya go!
I fed them 3 teaspoons of DG Gro and 3 teaspoons of DG Bloom today with 5 gallons of water. That works out to a little over half a teaspoon per gallon on each fert.
I imagine in 2-3 days they will be exploding as we get further in to week 2. I decided to only water each plant 1.5 gallons cause they are in 7 gallon pots. I watered 1 gallon from the top, and half a gallon I fed into their runoff trays to suck up from the bottom. They can certainly take more than 1.5 gallons but if I give them that it takes 5-6 days before they need to be watered again and I want fresh water going to them more often than that.

Also, I used the lux meter on my phone to determine I had the light way to close. I raised the light until the max reading in the center of the canopy started to drop off, which in turn gave a lot more lux to the outer boundaries of the canopy. I gotta remember I'm working with 1000 watts here.

gjs4786 said:

Yeah, I did a lot of searching to see where others are at at day 6-7. Right around the same as I am. A lot of people switch immediately to HPS though which I didn't, I wonder if that makes any difference? I've got the HPS on now though. Crazy looking. Different from pictures, for sure. My fingers are certainly crossed for more bud production in the next week. I mean, as long as nothing goes wrong, it's inevitable, right lol. She's getting a water and a feed tomorrow too, gonna boost the bloom ferts. I don't plan on going pure bloom until 3 weeks. I'm only needing to water like once every 4-5 days based off how the plants look anyway.

Yeah, it's just a Galaxy S4 for the pictures. That's like a 4 year old phone man lol. You rockin' a flip phone or somethin?

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I am at day 4 right now and i see tiny white pistols on 2 plants and i do mean tiny. i will let you know in 3 days what they are look like and we can compare! but i bet it we aren't going to see much difference in the first 7 days.

as for my camera!!!!!! ive been taking pictures with canon t6i, i just don't have a lens that is suitable
for close ups.. the ones that came with it are actually pretty unsatisfying.. but its pretty decent as a secondary light meter though. i have a galaxy S5... every picture i take with it, has dark shadows going through it because of the HPS light... my canon can adapt to the light but i have to take 3 pictures to get one picture that isnt messed up because of dark shadows..
Do you use an app? or just the default camera?? or do you even know what im talking about at all? lol..

QuikWay said:

I am at day 4 right now and i see tiny white pistols on 2 plants and i do mean tiny. i will let you know in 3 days what they are look like and we can compare! but i bet it we aren't going to see much difference in the first 7 days.

as for my camera!!!!!! ive been taking pictures with canon t6i, i just don't have a lens that is suitable
for close ups.. the ones that came with it are actually pretty unsatisfying.. but its pretty decent as a secondary light meter though. i have a galaxy S5... every picture i take with it, has dark shadows going through it because of the HPS light... my canon can adapt to the light but i have to take 3 pictures to get one picture that isnt messed up because of dark shadows..
Do you use an app? or just the default camera?? or do you even know what im talking about at all? lol..

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I just use the default camera app. I have seen those dark bands though. It didn't occur to me until you said something, that I haven't noticed that at all on the phone. Weird. Do you have a magnetic ballast by chance? Maybe that's what does it, because I'm running a digital.

Alright so, week 2 of flower update, day 14.

Everything is going well. No real changes to report, except for what you'll see in the pictures. Bud development seems to be moving right along. Started feeding 1 and 1/2 tablespoon DG Bloom / 5 gallons and 1/2 tablespoon DG Grow / 5 gallons. I'm hoping the stretch is over. They definitely stretched a good bit, but they're still only 20-24 inches high.

I have had insanely high humidity levels. I noticed this morning what appeared to be white powdery mildew (maybe?) I can't afford a dehumidifier right now, so I did what I had to do, and thinned and lollipopped them all at the same time. I sure hope they don't stress into hermies. Damn, it's amazing how many fan leaves and larf I cut out. I've seen quite a few videos and read quite a bit that actually promote this practic for huge buds, so we'll see where it takes me. I figure I don't have any real production goals for this grow anyway, so as long as i get a couple ounces, Ii'll be happy lol. What do I have to lose? Can only learn from here...

Anyways, I'll show the before pics first....

This is what I suspected to be white powdery mildew: I figure it started out as water trapped between two leaves touching each other. No bueno, not messing around with this lol.



Before the trim. This was the biggest girl. Damn, the picture doesn't do her justice. Just a straight bush. 5 Gallon bucket for comparison.



All the girls together before the trim



After the trim, 5 gallon bucket for size comparison



All the plants together, trimmed



Underneath the canopy



Side view cola



Top view bud



See you guys in a week or so!

Very impressive brother

gjs4786 said:

Alright so, week 2 of flower update, day 14.

Everything is going well. No real changes to report, except for what you'll see in the pictures. Bud development seems to be moving right along. Started feeding 1 and 1/2 tablespoon DG Bloom / 5 gallons and 1/2 tablespoon DG Grow / 5 gallons. I'm hoping the stretch is over. They definitely stretched a good bit, but they're still only 20-24 inches high.

I have had insanely high humidity levels. I noticed this morning what appeared to be white powdery mildew (maybe?) I can't afford a dehumidifier right now, so I did what I had to do, and thinned and lollipopped them all at the same time. I sure hope they don't stress into hermies. Damn, it's amazing how many fan leaves and larf I cut out. I've seen quite a few videos and read quite a bit that actually promote this practic for huge buds, so we'll see where it takes me. I figure I don't have any real production goals for this grow anyway, so as long as i get a couple ounces, Ii'll be happy lol. What do I have to lose? Can only learn from here...

Anyways, I'll show the before pics first....

This is what I suspected to be white powdery mildew: I figure it started out as water trapped between two leaves touching each other. No bueno, not messing around with this lol.

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Before the trim. This was the biggest girl. Damn, the picture doesn't do her justice. Just a straight bush. 5 Gallon bucket for comparison.

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All the girls together before the trim

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After the trim, 5 gallon bucket for size comparison

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All the plants together, trimmed

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Underneath the canopy

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Side view cola

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Top view bud

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See you guys in a week or so!

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It definitely needed a trim and thinning out, even if the humidity and PM weren’t a problem. Looks great though!

gjs4786 said:

I just use the default camera app. I have seen those dark bands though. It didn't occur to me until you said something, that I haven't noticed that at all on the phone. Weird. Do you have a magnetic ballast by chance? Maybe that's what does it, because I'm running a digital.

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after a quick google search you are found to be!!! SPOT ON SIR!
that's exactly why. the site isnt specific but that's what it says. lol
anyways, i dont think you will regret the thinning, at all. you will get baseball bat buds now! i feel like lollipopping is a tried and true method A LOT of people use.
i dont see many people at all letting their plants go completely. the one plant i left bushy as can be is in front of the fan and i have a dehumidifier going. its old but it seems to be working fine.
even still i think its going to yield much much smaller buds and less of them.

however... i think if someone knew EXACTLY what they were doing with the nutes and how much the bush needs since its using WAY more trying to feed every site in the plant and not just a few(imagine the nutes as a server and the restaurant is under staffed), could keep the humidity down/trim enough to keep leaves from touching and trapping moisture and then had light reaching the WHOLE plant/under lighting, THEN i personally believe it would be just a giant bush of big burly buds and you would out preform lollipopping at that point by a lot...
That's just how i feel. i also feel like that would be complicated and an very expensive set up for a home grower...

ANYWAYS. your plants look wonderful. thank you for updating, these next 2 months are going to be exciting! do you know if your strain changes color with temperature during flowering??

QuikWay said:

after a quick google search you are found to be!!! SPOT ON SIR!
that's exactly why. the site isnt specific but that's what it says. lol
anyways, i dont think you will regret the thinning, at all. you will get baseball bat buds now! i feel like lollipopping is a tried and true method A LOT of people use.
i dont see many people at all letting their plants go completely. the one plant i left bushy as can be is in front of the fan and i have a dehumidifier going. its old but it seems to be working fine.
even still i think its going to yield much much smaller buds and less of them.

however... i think if someone knew EXACTLY what they were doing with the nutes and how much the bush needs since its using WAY more trying to feed every site in the plant and not just a few(imagine the nutes as a server and the restaurant is under staffed), could keep the humidity down/trim enough to keep leaves from touching and trapping moisture and then had light reaching the WHOLE plant/under lighting, THEN i personally believe it would be just a giant bush of big burly buds and you would out preform lollipopping at that point by a lot...
That's just how i feel. i also feel like that would be complicated and an very expensive set up for a home grower...

ANYWAYS. your plants look wonderful. thank you for updating, these next 2 months are going to be exciting! do you know if your strain changes color with temperature during flowering??

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Heh, even a blind squirrel, well you know the rest I remember reading something about how magnetic ballasts cycle...I think 60hz, so I can see that interfering with displays a lot like shooting a video at a TV, you'll see scan lines on the video. I guess it's just kind of a reverse effect of that.

Yeah I know lollipopping is an extremely popular practice...but what concerns me is doing it so late in the process. I think the idea is to minimize stress to reduce hermies. We'll just have to wait and see I should know in a week or so how they recovered. the buds are already bigger than they were yesterday though. Doesn't seem to have slowed growth any. I even noticed some trichs forming on some of the baby leaves coming out of the buds today.

I like your analogy with the plants, lol. My theory with the leaves is simple...in the wild, a plant never knows when it's going to go through a dry spell of nutrients or water. So it naturally wants to have a lot of leaves to store nutrients and water in case there is a shortage. In such a controlled environment that is indoor growing, the grower supplies the nutrients at regular intervals, so there's no need for the back up that a plant would typically need in the wild. At the same time, weather conditions are much different outside. Those are harder to reproduce indoors IMO, because of space limitations. What you are referring to, growers do outside all the time. It's when bringing them indoors that it becomes an issue.

Thanks for the kind words about the ladies. I'm trying to keep everything dialed in, and so far they are responding well. I've been reading into what's called VPD, or vapor pressure deficiency. Do a google on VPD chart and you'll see what I mean. I'm trying to stay in the green on that chart. Apparently, it has to do with the plants ability to "breath". If VPD is off, the plant can't "breath properly". Seems like a lot of growers over look this. As the plants get further in to flower, the idea is to bring the temperature down to match an approaching fall, and keep humidity levels within ranges that are appropriate for that temperature. Pros call it "riding the VPD wave".

There's not a whole lot of info on White Gold, but from what I have found, yes, it does seem to have the ability to change blues and purples and pinks. Will be interesting to see what my phenos do I don't know about the lone Church x Deadhead OG.

gjs4786 said:

Heh, even a blind squirrel, well you know the rest I remember reading something about how magnetic ballasts cycle...I think 60hz, so I can see that interfering with displays a lot like shooting a video at a TV, you'll see scan lines on the video. I guess it's just kind of a reverse effect of that.

Yeah I know lollipopping is an extremely popular practice...but what concerns me is doing it so late in the process. I think the idea is to minimize stress to reduce hermies. We'll just have to wait and see I should know in a week or so how they recovered. the buds are already bigger than they were yesterday though. Doesn't seem to have slowed growth any. I even noticed some trichs forming on some of the baby leaves coming out of the buds today.

I like your analogy with the plants, lol. My theory with the leaves is simple...in the wild, a plant never knows when it's going to go through a dry spell of nutrients or water. So it naturally wants to have a lot of leaves to store nutrients and water in case there is a shortage. In such a controlled environment that is indoor growing, the grower supplies the nutrients at regular intervals, so there's no need for the back up that a plant would typically need in the wild. At the same time, weather conditions are much different outside. Those are harder to reproduce indoors IMO, because of space limitations. What you are referring to, growers do outside all the time. It's when bringing them indoors that it becomes an issue.

Thanks for the kind words about the ladies. I'm trying to keep everything dialed in, and so far they are responding well. I've been reading into what's called VPD, or vapor pressure deficiency. Do a google on VPD chart and you'll see what I mean. I'm trying to stay in the green on that chart. Apparently, it has to do with the plants ability to "breath". If VPD is off, the plant can't "breath properly". Seems like a lot of growers over look this. As the plants get further in to flower, the idea is to bring the temperature down to match an approaching fall, and keep humidity levels within ranges that are appropriate for that temperature. Pros call it "riding the VPD wave".

There's not a whole lot of info on White Gold, but from what I have found, yes, it does seem to have the ability to change blues and purples and pinks. Will be interesting to see what my phenos do I don't know about the lone Church x Deadhead OG.

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Thanks for the heads up about VPD, in my years of studying how to grow, I have never ran into this.

DankTankerous said:

Thanks for the heads up about VPD, in my years of studying how to grow, I have never ran into this.

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No problem. From what I've learned so far, one of the tools that help the most in determining proper VPD is an infrared non-contact thermometer. I'll have mine Saturday, it was like 13 bucks. As you know, temperatures around the canopy vary, and you want to determine the temperature on the underside of the leaves, not the top. It's on the underside where the stomata are located that are responsible for the exchange of gases. Interestingly, the VPD chart seems to contradict mostly everything I've read regarding humidity levels during flower...If you read the chart, you can see how it mimics a seasonal change. There are pros on record that insist you aren't growing the best bud you can if you aren't within acceptable VPD ranges. Co2 or no Co2.

@DankTankerous
This is one of the better reads I have found on VPD.
http://growersnetwork.org/cultivation/vpd-cannabis-cultivation/

Garden is looking fuken awesome G!!!!!!!

Tim1987 said:

Garden is looking fuken awesome G!!!!!!!

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Thanks Tim I'll be surprised if I don't run into some hiccups sometime over the next several weeks, but so far, so good. Just watching all the variables and keeping them in range as best I can. I'm due for a good ol' punch in the gut any time now lol. Required every now and then to keep us tethered to the ground!

Thanks for stopping by. Keep it dialed in brother!

gjs4786 said:

Thanks Tim I'll be surprised if I don't run into some hiccups sometime over the next several weeks, but so far, so good. Just watching all the variables and keeping them in range as best I can. I'm due for a good ol' punch in the gut any time now lol. Required every now and then to keep us tethered to the ground!

Thanks for stopping by. Keep it dialed in brother!

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I reckon you're nearly on a home run.
Only another few weeks, and you're in the clear, and you cut the feeds.

They look fantastic bro.
I can't wait to see the harvest!
The plants look delicious already.


I'll keep popping by, and having a sticky beak, for sure.

Take it easy G

Was supposed to be a week until my next update, but I don't know when I'll get the good camera again now. If I did this right, there should be a video to watch. Probably a week after today before I can update again. Yes, I know you've all seen bud shots before but these are my girls

The Church x Deadhead OG is the shorty on the right. Other two are White Gold (white widow x himalaya gold) I think by Sensi.

So, I suspect something funky is going on with my hydrometer when the lights go out. I reset the min/max settings and the next day, lights on it reads high 80's. I put a security camera in there that has night vision. My theory is, when the lights go out, I also put the AC to 70. I'm guessing the temperature change is responsible and it's not at 85 or 88% the whole time. Rather, it spikes for 15 minutes or so then settles back down. Bout to find out

The reason I'm perplexed is because the room the tent is in stays at 50-55% humidity. I keep all fans on at lights out. Exhaust outside with a 6inch 410CFM, active air at 210, and a passive air intake as well. I expect the humidity to rise a little, but not 40%, not with that kind of ventilation.



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