First; 5x5 1000W HID scrog w/ White Gold and The Church x Deadhead OG

they look so so good. definitely like the pictures you see on instagram or something! so sugary and delicious.

gjs4786 said:

I was BAKED when I posted that. I had something to say but by the time I had typed out everything leading up to it, I blanked out, LoL. I'm letting them all finish. I think what I was getting to, is the fan leaves. After only a week of trimming, look how much they have grown back out. So I think what I was trying to get to, is that thinning helps the plant to get more light and air circulation, but it looks like the plant puts a lot more energy into growing fan leaves back out, as opposed to bud production. I wonder how that could interact with fertilizer needs. You would think growing out more greenery like fan leaves would require more nitrogen. In othe words, other than air circulation, i don't know how effective this technique is. I would have to grow the same strain again and have better air circulation / humidity control to see if it actually made a difference. I hope that makes better sense as to what I was getting to

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I think you're 100% correct. i feel like it forcing the fan leaves out is taking away from bud production using more nitrogen etc etc. i personally hate taking off the fan leaves that are holding on strong, and looking nice but if you have moisture problems you have to do something about it, especially stacked leaves.
HOWEVER! the week difference in the pictures is preeeeetttttyyy noticable in the buds, too. i think you made the right decision and they are right on track,
and yes! it looks like a lot of the top colas will probably be connected and be a big ol long fat bud.

QuikWay said:

they look so so good. definitely like the pictures you see on instagram or something! so sugary and delicious.



I think you're 100% correct. i feel like it forcing the fan leaves out is taking away from bud production using more nitrogen etc etc. i personally hate taking off the fan leaves that are holding on strong, and looking nice but if you have moisture problems you have to do something about it, especially stacked leaves.
HOWEVER! the week difference in the pictures is preeeeetttttyyy noticable in the buds, too. i think you made the right decision and they are right on track,
and yes! it looks like a lot of the top colas will probably be connected and be a big ol long fat bud.

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Interesting perspective man....you know, I've been focused on the fan leaves growing back as opposed to the size of the buds. But I was focused on them cause that's what was showing growth. I don't see a lot of change in the bud. Nothing that sticks out like those fan leaves do. If the bud grew as much as the fan leaves did in a week, THAT WOULD BE worth noting...but I noticed the fan leaves. No explosive bud growth. The reason I thinned my ladies to begin with was I spotted white powdery and I said hell no. I knew right then I needed to improve my air circulation and drop humidity. Hence the thinning, that addresses both of those.

So, your view on how effective that technique is, and your logic behind it, is completely valid. But there is your way of thinking and then the other, and maybe an in-between. Without even having a control plant, I would place my money on great air circulation and humidity control and lolipopping, versus thinning them out mid-flower as far as results go. It's not hard to see how badly the MJ wants those fan leaves, lol. You don't even see that kind of growth in veg! The fan leaves just exploded after I removed them, not the buds, lol. You get that, right? It wasn't like *trim*; bang; damn, look at how much those buds grew!

Of course, I'm a newb man. I can give great advice as long as they aren't my plants. I think the thinning works well in large scale grows because they already have the best of the best in temp and humidity control. The only way they are going to see gains, cause they have everything else dialed in, is by modifying the plant. So I think there is a threshold as to where it's beneficial and when it's not.

So, 9 days since my last update. Time flies! These pics are week 6 day 2. They are 8-9 week strains so I'm getting pretty close to starting the flush. I was going to experiment with feeding levels but the plants need to be watered almost every day at this point. I will probably feed at least something until day 1 of week 7. If there is one thing I've read over and over, is the flowering times released by breeders are usually a week early. I'm still not sure where they base the finishing time off of, is it the actual 12/12 switch or after the stretch? I've gotten a lot of mixed feedback on that question.

I ordered a magnification lens so I can take a look at the trichs.

One thing to point out, is on some of the tops, the fan leaves are starting to turn purple. My pH is fine, at least within my ability of checking it. They get fed plenty. I'm thinking they're turning not because of a phosphorus deficiency but because it's in the strain and flowering is winding down. In any case, I'm not too worried about it. I'm in chop time / dry / cure mode now. As far as I'm concerned, this grow is in the bag, so my main concerns are keeping them mold free.

Not sure if anyone reads this, it's mostly for me, lol, so when I look back at this journal I can know what I was thinking etc. But if you do read it, more power to you and many thanks!

Here are some pics: I'll try to post more right at lights off. Almost impossible to capture the color correctly with that HPS on.

Group shot. Plant on right is church/deadhead og, gallon jug on 5 gallon bucket for scale. Sorry to my metric readers. I figure the size of a gallon jug and a 5 gallon bucket are pretty universal so my thought process had you guys in mind at least It's amazing how hard it is to setup scale properly. I'm doing this for people who, like me, searched for a white gold grow journal and couldn't find one.

I feel like breeders are f'in amazingly vague about something you're spending money on...seeds. Every new strain should have a complete grow journal to go with it right under where it says how long they take to finish, using a standardized grow environment for each strain. Why hasn't this become the standard with so many competing breeders?





One of the tops next to a standard 12oz beer can




They are plenty long, hoping they fatten up their last 2-2 and a half weeks







Here is a piece of larf I hang-dried for 5 or 6 days around week 5 from White Gold. Fluffy, but its larf, looking forward to seeing what the colas do when they're trimmed, dried and cured!





See you guys in a week or so unless I post some lights off stuff.

Looking great G!

Awesome

gjs4786 said:

So, 9 days since my last update. Time flies! These pics are week 6 day 2. They are 8-9 week strains so I'm getting pretty close to starting the flush. I was going to experiment with feeding levels but the plants need to be watered almost every day at this point. I will probably feed at least something until day 1 of week 7. If there is one thing I've read over and over, is the flowering times released by breeders are usually a week early. I'm still not sure where they base the finishing time off of, is it the actual 12/12 switch or after the stretch? I've gotten a lot of mixed feedback on that question.


I feel like breeders are f'in amazingly vague about something you're spending money on...seeds. Every new strain should have a complete grow journal to go with it right under where it says how long they take to finish, using a standardized grow environment for each strain. Why hasn't this become the standard with so many competing breeders?

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I really think it depends on where you get your seeds, seedsman has AWESOME descriptions... usually a typical amount to look for under certain lights and suggested training for some strains and environment, but it only says stuff like, mountainous or northern hemisphere or southern.
Some breeders have websites and Instagrams with their entire grows, and what they are currently trying to make.. tips and etc...

Like you though... i feel like it would be so much easier to sell a product with a journal behind it. ive looked for one for every strain i was interested in just to see how it went(one of the reasons i started mine).. HOWEVER!!!!!
people will try to replicate everything. down to the lights and the nutes used... which again... good selling point for some nutes, lights and etc...
and they do have a standard temp and everything.

but that's where the bitching would come in play... i feel like the average home grower would have a hell of a time trying to change their environment
instead of learning to work with it, adapt and grow what grows best in your area... and i bet money they would still get different results anyways and accuse the breeder of all kinds of shit.

thats where being a beginner sucks booty.
when you start growing... and learn more you will see that you can purposefully bring out sativa phenotypes in indica dom plants by making it a little hotter/brighter, more or less humidity. visa versa. i don't think this would be learned as well if people just tried to grow according to the breeder...
i mean... i tried to grow according to my pack and found that they had good results with a PH of 6.2 ..... when i tried that... it didn't work well for me.

Anyways... thats my 2 cents on that... with the flowering time... my breeder package says "maximum 8 - 9 weeks at the start of the 12/12 cycle."
has the best temp range and best humidity range for flowering. after the PH thing i dealt with im not even going to begin to try to change my environment.
im just going to change what attempt to grow from now on lol

direct words from a breeder(710 genetics) "If the package says 8 weeks. start looking a the trichomes with a microscope or with a loupe around week 7. The plant is generally considered "ripe" when the trichomes go from clear to milky."

So the flowering time is an estimate. it could take you longer or could be shorter, depending on the effect you are looking for.

Week 7 Day 4
Started the flush 4-5 days ago.
Looks like I have a purple pheno on one of the White Golds. I thought it was a nute deficiency at first but the other one is green as can be.
Temps are mid 70's RH 50

if plants can be sexy, those are!!!

gjs4786 said:

Week 7 Day 4
Started the flush 4-5 days ago.
Looks like I have a purple pheno on one of the White Golds. I thought it was a nute deficiency at first but the other one is green as can be.
Temps are mid 70's RH 50

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Excellent looking plants!! Can't wait to see what the weight is

DrewKitten said:

Excellent looking plants!! Can't wait to see what the weight is

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The weight I'm not too worried about. Especially after I discovered the polination. It's still great smoke from quick drying experience. I feel like the buds would be twice as big if not pollinated. I noticed when seeded bud dries it gets fluffy because the seeds don't shrink but everything else has to shrink and dry around what are essentially voids in space created by the seeds. Anyways...thanks for the kind words. It has been so fun. Next grow I won't have the same kind of journal. If someone wants more info I'll provide it. Otherwise I'll update every 3 weeks instead of one. Check out my boy QuikWay journal!

Cut them down today. I took pictures of the buds hanging in the tent, but the video is just a lot better.
The one church x deadhead og was the hardest to trim. Really leafy. The two White Golds were much easier. I've still got about an hours worth of trimming to do on one plant. I'll finish that after I get some rest. Conditions in the tent are 50-55% RH and 65-70 degrees F.

I have no idea what the final weight is going to be. I didn't get a wet weight because I don't have an appropriate scale yet. As I've said before, I'm not worried about weight, but I gotta say I'm impressed how much bud is hanging from only 3 plants, one of which I'm not even done chopping down yet. I'm running out of room to hang!

Any questions, feel free to ask! As always, the Youtube video is "unlisted", and I don't have it age-restricted, so you don' have to be logged in to YT to view the video. That's it for now unless I think of something else worthy of including.

Looks so nice can't wait to hear about the final reportj
Can't watch the video till work tomorrow

Prince Vegeta said:

Looks so nice can't wait to hear about the final reportj
Can't watch the video till work tomorrow

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Final report will be nice (I hope), but I am looking forward to smoking the scissor hash I collected from trimming. I can't do it quite yet as I have a few more obligations I want to take care off while I'm able. Thanks for the kind words

So, I've got everything jarred up. I let them hang dry for 10 days @ 68f and 55% RH. I weighed them by tareing the scale out with an empty jar on it and then weighing the jars. First weigh in came out to 1069 grams. I still have another ounce or two I haven't jarred up yet. (I am letting them dry with all their leaves so I can compare wet cut vs dry cut) I wanted to duplicate it so I did it over again in ounces and came out with basically the same number, 37.65 ounces. That's 2.35 pounds from 3 plants! I am not familiar with the curing process so I don't know how much of that I will lose, but considering I wasn't going for yield, I am very happy even after the cure is finished. That's the key to big yields I guess - don't make it a priority, LoL. In all seriousness, the yield was totally attributable to three things: 2 month veg time (I think the most important factor) low stress training, and topping - and great genetics. (four things)

Does slightly pollinated bud make it heavier or something?

They all grew great, I think the White Gold was the better producer though. I'll post a smoke report after the cure is done!

I'm also planning on making some dry ice hash fom the trim which is just about dry...lottttt of trichomes!

Here are some pictures demonstrating how I weighed it and some bud shots...


18 quart jars in total

gjs4786 said:

So, I've got everything jarred up. I let them hang dry for 10 days @ 68f and 55% RH. I weighed them by tareing the scale out with an empty jar on it and then weighing the jars. First weigh in came out to 1069 grams. I still have another ounce or two I haven't jarred up yet. (I am letting them dry with all their leaves so I can compare wet cut vs dry cut) I wanted to duplicate it so I did it over again in ounces and came out with basically the same number, 37.65 ounces. That's 2.35 pounds from 3 plants! I am not familiar with the curing process so I don't know how much of that I will lose, but considering I wasn't going for yield, I am very happy even after the cure is finished. That's the key to big yields I guess - don't make it a priority, LoL. In all seriousness, the yield was totally attributable to three things: 2 month veg time (I think the most important factor) low stress training, and topping - and great genetics. (four things)

Does slightly pollinated bud make it heavier or something?

They all grew great, I think the White Gold was the better producer though. I'll post a smoke report after the cure is done!

I'm also planning on making some dry ice hash fom the trim which is just about dry...lottttt of trichomes!

Here are some pictures demonstrating how I weighed it and some bud shots...


18 quart jars in total


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Got me over here drooling

Prince Vegeta said:

Got me over here drooling

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Lol I'd let you pick the best buds to smoke out with if it were possible!

Just a quick update. I was thinking something was up with the measurements, so I investigated a little further. Sure enough, I grabbed two different brands of quart jars and one of them is 50 grams heavier than the one I tared

So, here are the updated weights for each jar
ch x dh - 24g
ch x dh - 26g
blue white gold - 38g
white gold - 40
blue white gold - 10
blue white gold- 13
ch x dh - 27
blue white gold - 25
blue white gold - 22
white gold - 29g
white gold - 40
blue white widow - 26g
ch x dh - 26g
blue white gold - 34
ch x dh - 21
ch x dh 18g
blue white gold - 24g
ch - dh mix - 19

For a total of just over a pound, 16.5 ounces and the ounce or so still curing.