FinShaggy's Religious Marijuana Grow Journal

dbkick said:

Good to see you back at it shaggy. As far as those figures with your led good luck, it's not going to happen.
You should look at a 315 cmh system if you want to keep the power down and the yield up , not too mention the light systems reasonably priced yet very effective.
I'd like for you to prove me wrong but I don't think so.

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I don't know what you are asking me to prove exactly (LEDs work generally, That the veg LEDs and CFLs work, or that the Lizard lights will boost THCv?)

I know I'm usually the first one to try a lot of things, but this is not one of them. Plenty of other people have already proven it, so I don't have to.

Finshaggy said:

I don't know what you are asking me to prove exactly (LEDs work generally, That the veg LEDs and CFLs work, or that the Lizard lights will boost THCv?)

I know I'm usually the first one to try a lot of things, but this is not one of them. Plenty of other people have already proven it, so I don't have to.

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I think they just mean that you're 1500w equivalent /= 1500 grams . You have a 300watt led light, so if you do 1gram per watt that will equal 300grams. I've read of people getting better than 1gpw with leds, but no where near 5gpw.

Finshaggy said:

I don't know what you are asking me to prove exactly (LEDs work generally, That the veg LEDs and CFLs work, or that the Lizard lights will boost THCv?)

I know I'm usually the first one to try a lot of things, but this is not one of them. Plenty of other people have already proven it, so I don't have to.

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Plug your LED lights into a Kill-a-Watt meter and use actual wattage draw rather than some hyped up advertising figure. This way you'll have a better baseline for what your lights are actually doing.

Being a fellow Colorado resident, I happen know that your legalese will not save you from local ordinance violations, so be sure that whatever township your grow is situated in doesn't have a maximum number of plants per address requirement. Twelve is usually pretty safe.

I completely understand where you guys are coming from, but I'm not sure if there is evidence for what you are saying. I might have even said the same thing about a year ago. I never used LEDs before. Until now I've only use HPS, T5s and CFLs. And I thought 100W CFLs were strong for their price.

I got 4x 20W LED Corn Cob lights. And with this lights + 2 out of 3 CFLs, my veg tent is absolutely brighter and growing faster than usual.

So again, I completely understand what you guys think you are saying, but I am not worried. Also, we plugged in the 1500W LED the other day in the living room just to check it out, and if you were going to keep it on in a room for a long time, you would have to put on sunglasses.

ttystikk said:

Being a fellow Colorado resident, I happen know that your legalese will not save you from local ordinance violations, so be sure that whatever township your grow is situated in doesn't have a maximum number of plants per address requirement. Twelve is usually pretty safe.

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I'm not in Denver County or whatever County Denver is in. We don't have a limit. And go ahead and read Title 42 Chapter 21C, City Ordinances are not valid in a religious case.

42 U.S. Code § 2000cc

(2) Scope of application
This subsection applies in any case in which—
(C)
the substantial burden is imposed in the implementation of a land use regulation or system of land use regulations, under which a government makes, or has in place formal or informal procedures or practices that permit the government to make, individualized assessments of the proposed uses for the property involved

(3) Exclusions and limits
No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation that—
(A)
totally excludes religious assemblies from a jurisdiction; or
(B)
unreasonably limits religious assemblies, institutions, or structures within a jurisdiction.

42 U.S. Code § 2000cc–3

(a) Religious belief unaffected
Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to authorize any government to burden any religious belief.

(g) Broad construction
This chapter shall be construed in favor of a broad protection of religious exercise, to the maximum extent permitted by the terms of this chapter and the Constitution.


42 U.S. Code § 2000cc–5

(4) Government
The term “government”—
(A) means—
(i)
a State, county, municipality, or other governmental entity created under the authority of a State;
(ii)
any branch, department, agency, instrumentality, or official of an entity listed in clause (i); and
(iii)
any other person acting under color of State law;

(7) Religious exercise
(A) In general
The term “religious exercise” includes any exercise of religion, whether or not compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief.
(B) Rule
The use, building, or conversion of real property for the purpose of religious exercise shall be considered to be religious exercise of the person or entity that uses or intends to use the property for that purpose.

And btw, it's not like I am "finding loopholes" or something, this is just the law. For example, in the Alcohol code of Colorado there is a Religious Exemption for Religious Wine Sales.
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sites/default/files/Liquor Code_0.pdf

The very FIRST Exemption in the Colorado Alcohol Code states:
"The provisions of this article shall not apply to the sale or distribution of sacramental wine sold for Religious purposes".

The Colorado Marijuana Code just has not been in the courts enough yet to have these changes added like they are supposed to be.

And if anyone thinks that there should not be a Religious Exemption in the Colorado Marijuana Code, then what is this whole thing about? (from Colorado Amendment 64)

(1) Purpose and findings.
(a) IN THE INTEREST OF THE EFFICIENT USE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES, ENHANCING REVENUE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, AND INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF COLORADO FIND AND DECLARE THAT THE USE OF MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR PERSONS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER AND TAXED IN A MANNER SIMILAR TO ALCOHOL
.

Well, since you won't listen to or take advice from experienced professionals, best of luck.

This is just a quick update on the Religious Marijuana grow, with the 1st and 2nd tallest plants, along with the 2 newest strains. Then a little more information on Religious Marijuana Law.

Tallest


I don't really have any other way to measure the plants right now except for by their height, so I will update you on the 1st and 2nd tallest.



The first Tallest by a few inches is Early Durban.





Then about tied for 2nd tallest are African Buzz and Malawi, which are both actually Malawi Gold variations. So they are brother and sister (I don't know which are male or female yet).



African Buzz







Malawi







New Strains


These are the new strains. During part 1 they were still germinating.



Banana Crack







White Strawberry Skunk





More Information on Religious Marijuana Law


42 U.S. Code § 2000cc


(2) Scope of application
This subsection applies in any case in which—
(C)
the substantial burden is imposed in the implementation of a land use regulation or system of land use regulations, under which a government makes, or has in place formal or informal procedures or practices that permit the government to make, individualized assessments of the proposed uses for the property involved


(3) Exclusions and limits
No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation that—
(A)
totally excludes religious assemblies from a jurisdiction; or
(B)
unreasonably limits religious assemblies, institutions, or structures within a jurisdiction.


42 U.S. Code § 2000cc–3


(a) Religious belief unaffected
Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to authorize any government to burden any religious belief.


(g) Broad construction
This chapter shall be construed in favor of a broad protection of religious exercise, to the maximum extent permitted by the terms of this chapter and the Constitution.


42 U.S. Code § 2000cc–5


(4) Government
The term “government”—
(A) means—
(i)
a State, county, municipality, or other governmental entity created under the authority of a State;
(ii)
any branch, department, agency, instrumentality, or official of an entity listed in clause (i); and
(iii)
any other person acting under color of State law;


(7) Religious exercise
(A) In general
The term “religious exercise” includes any exercise of religion, whether or not compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief.
(B) Rule
The use, building, or conversion of real property for the purpose of religious exercise shall be considered to be religious exercise of the person or entity that uses or intends to use the property for that purpose.



And btw, it's not like I am "finding loopholes" or something, this is just the law. For example, in the Alcohol code of Colorado there is a Religious Exemption for Religious Wine Sales.
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sites/default/files/Liquor Code_0.pdf


The very FIRST Exemption in the Colorado Alcohol Code states:
"The provisions of this article shall not apply to the sale or distribution of sacramental wine sold for Religious purposes".


The Colorado Marijuana Code just has not been in the courts enough yet to have these changes added like they are supposed to be.



And if anyone thinks that there should not be a Religious Exemption in the Colorado Marijuana Code, then what is this whole thing about? (from Colorado Amendment 64)


(1) Purpose and findings.
(a) IN THE INTEREST OF THE EFFICIENT USE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES, ENHANCING REVENUE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, AND INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF COLORADO FIND AND DECLARE THAT THE USE OF MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR PERSONS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER AND TAXED IN A MANNER SIMILAR TO ALCOHOL

ttystikk said:

Well, since you won't listen to or take advice from experienced professionals, best of luck.

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You guys have never been right before, so why would I start listening now? Remember when you said I wouldn't win my Religious Marijuana case? It ended when the Prosecutor removed himself from the case.

You guys have been wrong about a lot of stuff. I assume you are wrong about the LEDs also. Look at the plants. The African Buzz is doing awesome. The Early Durban is a little stretchy, and so is the Malawi, but they might be males. Which would be awesome, because then I can start putting the African Genetics in the Feminized Aromatic Genetics (Banana Crack, White Strawberry Skunk, Blue Mystic (this one is not feminized though), etc).

It seems like LEDs are as good as everyone that uses them says they are. I was skeptic also, but they are working great. And I only have 80W actual watts right now, working more like 400W.

Here is what is actually in with the plants right now. 2/3 of the CFLs (2 pictured) and the 4 LED bulbs. That's what's in there with them right now.

Finshaggy said:

These are LED Corn Cob lights. Basically it is just a bunch of little LED diodes in a curly shape on a strip and encased in glass. These are extremely bright, way brighter than you would expect. They are 20W each which makes them equal to about 150W each if they were regular light bulbs. So I am getting more light for less energy. Together these should be about 600W.

Here are my old lights, they are 2x 125W CFLs and 1x 105W CFL. I will be using them in the grow also. Each one should add about 400W to the grow, but I will not be using all of them.

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And I would say the LEDs are stronger than the CFLs. Maybe even individually.

Make sure you check local laws, here in colorado most local laws only allow 12 plants per household regardless of plant counts. Good luck and happy growing.

Yodaweed said:

Make sure you check local laws, here in colorado most local laws only allow 12 plants per household regardless of plant counts. Good luck and happy growing.

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Those are called Land Use Regulations (read the post above about Land Use Regulations). And 12 may be enough for 2-3 people, but 12 is not enough for a congregation. I am currently following all Local and State Laws, but once I have started a Marijuana Breeders and Traders Confederation and create something like a Freemason Lodge or Moose Lodge or Shriner's Temple, in the name of Shiva, then we will operate similarly to a Medical Dispensary, but for Religious ceremonies, festivals and Temple members. And we expect to be allowed to produce amounts similar to that of a dispensary.

We will also be allowing people to hire us to come to their wedding or event, and we can either just be there to bring about a pound for their guests so that they can feel Shiva. Shiva is also the Lord of Dance. And eventually we will get a few Peacocks and different things for different Gods. We will not sell anything, but will just be paid to come provide our services. And I am a Minister, so I can legally preform Marriages if someone wanted.

And of course, we will have Bhang

I'm glad you're supplementing the LEDs with UVB, I've found blurple LEDs to produce very lackluster bud. The 300w (130w~ actual) probably won't produce more than 200 grams max, I base this on multiple grows with similar eBay LED panels. Also, make sure to put the spiral LED bulbs in between the plants, they're throwing all of their light to the side.

And if someone wanted to have a full blown Hindu Wedding we could do that even. I know most of the traditional jewelry and everything.

Saree
Langa Saree
Dupatta
Chiffon
Georgette
Kantha
Patiala Salwar
Kurta
Haldi
Salwar Kameez
Shawl

Mala
Nath
Bangles/Kadas
Armlet
Saree Waist
Kamar
Jhumka
Bindi
Matha Patti
Head Piece
Head Chain
Waist Chain