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mrboots

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KayAreOEnnEyeSee said:
Would anyone have any suggestions as to what sized screen I should use for 3 65w cfl's. I have a small armoire that is roughly 5ft tall 2ft wide 1.5ft deep, horizontally divided in half into two chambers. I was thinking of possibly taking out the division and putting in a wall to wall screen (possibly even a vertical screen), I'm just not sure how well my lil cfl's would reach the nugs far off in the corners. I'm still pretty new to growing (4wks left in my lil experiment of a grow). I'd just like to know if putting in a screen would be efficient for my space and what to expect out of that screen if done correctly with the materials I currently have. Any suggestions or input would be greatly appreciated.
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Whats up scroggers! heres is what ive done in about the same space that you are talking about. maybe it will give you some ideas.
my cabinet is 27" wide by 18" deep by 5' tall the upper veg area is 24" tall and the lower flowering area is 36" tall. I have been using 10 23 watt cfls for light in the flowering area, but its been getting kind of hot, so I think I'm going to cut back to 8 for the summer. The lights in the veg area are kind of ghetto, ive got a few clamp lights with cfls in then and some t5 fixtures that I move around depending on whats in there. For the screens I made 3 separate units that I can move around. I pulled them out a little in the picture so you can tell they are separte pieces. I harvest one screen and put a new one in the flower area every 3 weeks. I switched them out last week and got 29 grams trimmed and dried from one screen. that has been my best harvest yet, first time I got over an oz. In the picture the screen on the right has been in the flower area for one week, the one in the middle has been there for 7 weeks and the one on the left has been there for 4 weeks. The plant up top is the next one to go in. I'm going to put it under a screen in a day or 2 and let it veg for 2 more weeks then put it in the flowering area. I call my system bonsai scrog units, cause my plants stay really small. The strain is unknown, Its from bagseed but Ive been cloning it for a while. I've had this set up running in its current form for about 6 months. I dont have it perfected yet, and I've had some problems with nutes and soils and everything else but I'm getting better with every harvest.
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KayAreOEnnEyeSee

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Yeah, we can't thank woodsman enough for starting this thread. It has helped to send me in the right direction being a personal grower needing to keep everything small but highly productive. Now that I have a slight grasp on the actual growing aspect of the plant, I can now finally begin my first attempt at using a screen and venture into ScrOGing.
Mr.Boots- I can't believe how close your setup is to what I am shooting for. A three screen, perpetual, cfl, cabinet grow. Do you currently have a journal going that I could possibly follow and maybe pick up a few pointers from?
 
mrboots

mrboots

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I dont have a grow journal going, it doesnt seem very interesting with a perpetual system, you can just look one screen over and see what the plants will look like in 3 weeks. But i'll ansewer any questions you have. I think i have a great concept with my moveable screens and timing, but im still learning a lot about the actual plant growing part. there is a guy on here called stinkbud that has a thread called "harvest a pound every 3 weeks" My timing is about the same as his, just on a much smaller scale. I like how he doesnt keep any mother plants for clones, he just takes cuttings off his vegging plants. Good luck, I want to see what you come up with.
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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merkstillgrows said:
hellow fellow Scrogers can any one give me some ideas on a good scrog screen or a place i would be able to get one thx every one let me know
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Some guys pick up something that is pre-fab, however for most app.’s it might just be easier to make it to fit. This is one of those methods where you soon realize it’s far more fun and productive to just get very involved. It's my hobby long before it’s my method. Take some time to scroll through the pages of this thread and you will certainly find something you can replicate, build, or pick up from a store.
 
KayAreOEnnEyeSee

KayAreOEnnEyeSee

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Woodsman. Thanx for the encouragement. One of my problems with getting started is being so indecisive about everything. I search thru so many threads and am able to replicate just about anything I see from scrap it makes it kind of hard to choose what would be best. I'm sure all of us green thumbers have been thru the very same thing at one point or another, I just have to figure out how to stop that cycle lol. I think mr.boots' cabinet style is pretty close to what I will be shooting for, a couple of tweaks to get it into my box and put a little of my mojo on it and I think I'll be ready to roll. I think I'll keep in touch with all of you for any more suggestions or updates. Thanx again all. Happy growing!
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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mrboots said:
Whats up scroggers! heres is what ive done in about the same space that you are talking about. maybe it will give you some ideas.
my cabinet is 27" wide by 18" deep by 5' tall the upper veg area is 24" tall and the lower flowering area is 36" tall. I have been using 10 23 watt cfls for light in the flowering area, but its been getting kind of hot, so I think I'm going to cut back to 8 for the summer. The lights in the veg area are kind of ghetto, ive got a few clamp lights with cfls in then and some t5 fixtures that I move around depending on whats in there. For the screens I made 3 separate units that I can move around. I pulled them out a little in the picture so you can tell they are separte pieces. I harvest one screen and put a new one in the flower area every 3 weeks. I switched them out last week and got 29 grams trimmed and dried from one screen. that has been my best harvest yet, first time I got over an oz. In the picture the screen on the right has been in the flower area for one week, the one in the middle has been there for 7 weeks and the one on the left has been there for 4 weeks. The plant up top is the next one to go in. I'm going to put it under a screen in a day or 2 and let it veg for 2 more weeks then put it in the flowering area. I call my system bonsai scrog units, cause my plants stay really small. The strain is unknown, Its from bagseed but Ive been cloning it for a while. I've had this set up running in its current form for about 6 months. I dont have it perfected yet, and I've had some problems with nutes and soils and everything else but I'm getting better with every harvest.
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Great job. I could suggest giving your clones a bit longer to vegg if you can. The larger going into the screen you can have them, the more you will produce.
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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KayAreOEnnEyeSee said:
Would anyone have any suggestions as to what sized screen I should use for 3 65w cfl's. I have a small armoire that is roughly 5ft tall 2ft wide 1.5ft deep, horizontally divided in half into two chambers. I was thinking of possibly taking out the division and putting in a wall to wall screen (possibly even a vertical screen), I'm just not sure how well my lil cfl's would reach the nugs far off in the corners. I'm still pretty new to growing (4wks left in my lil experiment of a grow). I'd just like to know if putting in a screen would be efficient for my space and what to expect out of that screen if done correctly with the materials I currently have. Any suggestions or input would be greatly appreciated.
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I would suggest increasing the amount of lumens that you will be providing your plant. I would also suggest to both your self and Mr. Boots; Pick up a few PC fans and cut a few exhaust holes for them to fit. Removing hot air is key. I like to make my veggie room larger than my flowering room. Most folks go the other way. My take is that if I have "ready" clones that can go in my flower room, but don’t fit until I get my buds done, they will only get bigger in that time (better to be too big than wait till they get larger wouldn’t you say?). If my veggie room has more room than that of my flowering chamber, I can also train each plant into a bush that fills my screen 100% when it’s ready to replace the finished plant. Badabing!
 
Robert Paulson

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how do you train your plants n veg before they go under the screen? i'm going to need to start doing this soon. i basically have the same set up as you saw before, for veg, except its not in the tent and does not have a screen. i would love to be able to veg and train them so that when they go in the tent they will be ready to shoot up and fill the screen. do you pull the taller shoots off to the side and tie them down or do you just top 'em a bunch?
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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KayAreOEnnEyeSee said:
Woodsman. Thanx for the encouragement. One of my problems with getting started is being so indecisive about everything. I search thru so many threads and am able to replicate just about anything I see from scrap it makes it kind of hard to choose what would be best. I'm sure all of us green thumbers have been thru the very same thing at one point or another, I just have to figure out how to stop that cycle lol. I think mr.boots' cabinet style is pretty close to what I will be shooting for, a couple of tweaks to get it into my box and put a little of my mojo on it and I think I'll be ready to roll. I think I'll keep in touch with all of you for any more suggestions or updates. Thanx again all. Happy growing!
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We have we have, jump right in and you will find your way pal. I feel that way every time I update, and that is usually multiple times a year.
Hope you do stay in touch. Give us some update photos! Thanks.
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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"Well I guess it’s about time I do a tutorial here for training into scrog..." :D

I will work on it. For now, to answer your question, I use multiple methods in order to create a dense bush (LST, Bonsai, Fimming, etc). I try to train it so that it is on a flat plane somewhat, however strain has allot to do with how and what you will be able to do with the plant prior to using the screens help. I typically use plants that already have a genetically predetermined "bush" type growth pattern. I like plants that respond best to LST. All plants respond differently. Some will stress out from training and become a problem. Some explode. Vortex from TGA seeds is fast becoming my favorite scrog strain of all time. I will do a tutorial on training a clone of this plant and share it with you folks ASAP.


 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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i'm currently growing a 6 foot spicey jack herer, scrogged down to about 3 feet,of course it's 4 feet wide now, i have roughly 20 growing tips in addition to the initial six main growing points, i probably need to transplant, again, it's in a eight gallon container, i've never grown this strain in a big container outside and it just keeps growing, i just moved to wine country CA coast mtns,maybe 2000 feet elevation, and we get some crazy sun up here, i can feel my skin burning in less than 20 minutes, my point being the plants love it, especially if you give them room. I'll be getting another digital camera soon (don't ask), i'll get some pics for you guys.
 
Robert Paulson

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thanks woodsman. i didn't do any of that this time around, i just put the screen over it and kept pulling the shoots under. i knew i wasn't doing it quite right at the time but i wasn't sure what to do instead. some of the pics u posted your canopy looks perfectly level, i want mine to look like that next time.
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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Keeping light evenly distributed to all parts of the screen is the best way to insure the flat plane. L.I.M. Light Intensity Meter's are handy here.

"canopy looks perfectly level, i want mine to look like that next time" Yes you do.
 
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woodsmantoker

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I wanted to chime in here but I have never grown in a cab so my help will be limited I saw a 3 month veg and I am thinking bud that bitch hehe but then I read more and what I think is you wont get as much stretch as I do mearly because of light intensity. Also with Cannabis it helps to keep your temps constant light and dark to minimize stretch. I would deff screen Vortex it can end up sagging all over for us and I think we are going to start using upside down mater cages to up our lower yields as Vortex fill out really well all the way down and with more light I bet we can get 8 zipps on a bush.​
 
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easytimer

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Here is my 1st attempt at a SCROG. It is in a 4x4 tent with a 1000W Hortilux HPS in a cool tube. I use a 465CFM fan dedicated just to the light and another 235 to vent the tent itself. Let me know what you guys think! Here is the ladies 9 days into flowering.



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woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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First of all thank you Easytimer for the photo. Wonderful, we must see more.

I suggest pulling some branches back through the screen and placing them in the open space in your canopy.

Let’s see some photos with the HPS off and only flash camera light.
 
businessmen

businessmen

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Wow those are some skinny leaves, what strain? 9 days since 12/12? Or 9 since youve seen flowers? They are going nuts if 9 days of 12/12
 
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easytimer

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Thanks for the replies. I will have to get a proper picture for you guys. They are in their 9th day of flower not 12/12, but are still doing good if you ask me. Wood, I'll be sure to train these yatches right. :) By the way, the strain is BlueDream. One of my favorite smokes of all time.
 
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theoutlawcarpenter

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The Cedar is a good point, not all cedar is the same at least . at least 4 differnt types I know of . the best for a grow room ??? I don't know probly the most$$$
 
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