Edward Snowden is an freedom fighter exposing crimes against America's Constitution

Rob Roy

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Surely we can engage the rest of the world in peace talks, reinstate the treaties we've abrogated and pledge to quit meddling in the affairs of every foreign nation we think we can screw something out of.

You talk like the rest of the world hates us, while refusing to acknowledge everything we've done to make that assessment come true.

You should ask Bernie to quit voting repeatedly to fully fund the Pentagon if you're looking to end meddling.

Cough cough F -35 Cough Cough
 

UncleBuck

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You should ask Bernie to quit voting repeatedly to fully fund the Pentagon if you're looking to end meddling.

Cough cough F -35 Cough Cough
you should ask ron paul to stop blaming jews for acts of terrorism they didn't commit and penning articles on how to legally murder black kids by planting guns on them
 

Rob Roy

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you should ask ron paul to stop blaming jews for acts of terrorism they didn't commit and penning articles on how to legally murder black kids by planting guns on them

You should know that early gun control measures came into being so that blacks couldn't be armed. I'm sorry you support gun control.

You should ask Ron Paul why he wants to free thousands of black guys from jail for victimless drug offenses.
 

UncleBuck

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You should know that early gun control measures came into being so that blacks couldn't be armed. I'm sorry you support gun control.

You should ask Ron Paul why he wants to free thousands of black guys from jail for victimless drug offenses.
hey everyone

the guy who thinks black people should not have the right to eat at the same lunch counter as a white wants us all to believe he is very against racially biased laws with respect to gun control

we all believe him, right?
 

ttystikk

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You should ask Bernie to quit voting repeatedly to fully fund the Pentagon if you're looking to end meddling.

Cough cough F -35 Cough Cough
Nobody's perfect.

Nothing would please me more than pulling the plug the F-35 and spending that same $1.5 Trillion dollars to pay off all student debt.

Now THAT'S an investment in national security!
 

Rob Roy

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Nobody's perfect.

Nothing would please me more than pulling the plug the F-35 and spending that same $1.5 Trillion dollars to pay off all student debt.

Now THAT'S an investment in national security!

Thank you for not arguing disingenuously that Bernie is about peace. He's not and never has been. No politicians are, although some are more blood thirsty and blatantly hypocritical than others.

So you aren't much different from Neo-cons in that you want to create debt for other people without their individual consent, using force as the primary means to do it.

The only difference is how you would spend the loot. Yet, in both circumstances, the money isn't yours or Bernie's.

There is no such thing as "national security" , when the populace is the dupe on either side of the warfare / welfare scheme.

Nobody who uses force, when consent isn't given can ever be perfect can they?
 

ttystikk

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Thank you for not arguing disingenuously that Bernie is about peace. He's not and never has been. No politicians are, although some are more blood thirsty and blatantly hypocritical than others.

So you aren't much different from Neo-cons in that you want to create debt for other people without their individual consent, using force as the primary means to do it.

The only difference is how you would spend the loot. Yet, in both circumstances, the money isn't yours or Bernie's.

There is no such thing as "national security" , when the populace is the dupe on either side of the warfare / welfare scheme.

Nobody who uses force, when consent isn't given can ever be perfect can they?
Look I do not support the extravagant military budget, not do I support the blatantly illegal adventurism we use it for.

The trouble is that there are precious few politicians who don't vote for every military appropriate bill that comes their way so I'm forced to compromise.
 

Rob Roy

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hey everyone

the guy who thinks black people should not have the right to eat at the same lunch counter as a white wants us all to believe he is very against racially biased laws with respect to gun control

we all believe him, right?

Black people should have the same right as anyone else. The right of self determination over themselves and their justly acquired property.

If you had the ability to use extrapolative reasoning, you might conclude that your fervent love for gun control has racist roots. Why do you want to disarm black people and then force them to serve you against their will ?
 

Rob Roy

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Look I do not support the extravagant military budget, not do I support the blatantly illegal adventurism we use it for.

The trouble is that there are precious few politicians who don't vote for every military appropriate bill that comes their way so I'm forced to compromise.

Why do you say "we" ? If the people who vote to fund military adventure go against your wishes, why would you include yourself in their group?

So, you hope for peace, while supporting those who vote for war funding ? I'm not sure that makes sense...can you explain how you get to peace that way?
 

UncleBuck

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Thank you for not arguing disingenuously that Bernie is about peace. He's not and never has been. No politicians are, although some are more blood thirsty and blatantly hypocritical than others.
i agree

with the vile racist and anti-semitic things ron paul has said he is definitely on the more bloodthirsty and hypocritical side

why do you think he blamed a terrorist act on jews who had nothing to do with it?
 

Rob Roy

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so they should be able to sit at the same lunch counter as any white?


It's not up to you or me to decide what other people will or won't do with their property though, is it ?

You seem to be trying to conflate a persons right to self determine with somehow also giving that person the right to force somebody to serve him. They are two distinctly separate things.

You see if "equal rights" matter (they do) any human interactions which involve one party forcing another person to serve them, would by definition be expressing an inequality not an equality. I hope this clears things up for you, bonehead.
 

UncleBuck

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It's not up to you or me to decide what other people will or won't do with their property though, is it ?

You seem to be trying to conflate a persons right to self determine with somehow also giving that person the right to force somebody to serve him. They are two distinctly separate things.

You see if "equal rights" matter (they do) any human interactions which involve one party forcing another person to serve them, would by definition be expressing an inequality not an equality. I hope this clears things up for you, bonehead.
So you’re against racial bias in gun laws but for racial bias in literally anything else. Got it, racist

One thing that is up to you is whether or not you condemn Ron Paul for his racist and anti Semitic attacks and conspiracy theories. Do you condemn Ron Paul for that?
 

ttystikk

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So you’re against racial bias in gun laws but for racial bias in literally anything else. Got it, racist

One thing that is up to you is whether or not you condemn Ron Paul for his racist and anti Semitic attacks and conspiracy theories. Do you condemn Ron Paul for that?
WTF does this have to do with Edward Snowden?
 

Rob Roy

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So you’re against racial bias in gun laws but for racial bias in literally anything else. Got it, racist

One thing that is up to you is whether or not you condemn Ron Paul for his racist and anti Semitic attacks and conspiracy theories. Do you condemn Ron Paul for that?

Racism is a collectivist idea. You are a collectivist.

Seeing people as individuals all having the right to self determine is a libertarian point of view.
 

UncleBuck

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Racism is a collectivist idea. You are a collectivist.

Seeing people as individuals all having the right to self determine is a libertarian point of view.
Racism is saying it should be legal to kick black people out of stores because they’re black

Are you ever going to condemn Ron Paul for his racist and anti Semitic conspiracy theories?
 
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