Trippyness
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I am already set on Nanolux for my new room.
Gavita has the most hype but Nanolux has the best fixture it seems.
Gavita has the most hype but Nanolux has the best fixture it seems.
Double Ended penetration vs HPS ?
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Darth Vapour
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it could very well be the 1215 watter compared to 1150 yet green power came in second gavita 3rd this was also @ 95" height test my bad
Doogan
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The PAR rating matters but not completely. Kelvin output..... In bud some growers use a higher RED spectrum and a higher BLUE spectrum in veg. Some even use red and blue in both stages. Lumens are a part of the PAR calculation... Kelvin or heat rating of light can be confusing. There are so many factors when choosing a bulb, reflector, ballast... If you're a grower who looks at PAR and thats it and it works then don't fix it.... Some growers research and ask questions about other styles and techniques. Makes growing fun and rewarding...... Good luck.
Darth Vapour
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and some use soft whites full spectrum but at the end of the day its what ever got you there the fastest produced good quality an most importantly yield
Trippyness
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Agreed.
Trippyness
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I believe we all know about spectrum, PAR, Kelvin etc.
This is a more advanced talk about DE.
I have seen enough research over the past few weeks that switching to DE will be helpful.
As for which model the Nanolux is by far my favorite.
One thing, anyone done any tests on the solis tek DE Metal halide 6k?
If it does not have any issues id rather use a MH to veg than a DE HPS.
Anyone have any experiance vegging with DE HPS?
Any issues with internodes?
This is a more advanced talk about DE.
I have seen enough research over the past few weeks that switching to DE will be helpful.
As for which model the Nanolux is by far my favorite.
One thing, anyone done any tests on the solis tek DE Metal halide 6k?
If it does not have any issues id rather use a MH to veg than a DE HPS.
Anyone have any experiance vegging with DE HPS?
Any issues with internodes?
Trippyness
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Its fact that a higher red in flower is better and a higher blue in veg is better.
Nothing new their mate.
Trippyness
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@Doogan I believe you dont own Gavitas as well as you do not grow.
This thread is for advanced growers. We all know about Spectrum , PAR among others as well as advanced growing techniques.
Please show photos if your legit otherwise I am in disbelief due to being a new member here mate.
I do not need spectrum photos.
All I asked was Penetration of DE.
Seems Nanolux has my business over Gavita.
This thread is for advanced growers. We all know about Spectrum , PAR among others as well as advanced growing techniques.
Please show photos if your legit otherwise I am in disbelief due to being a new member here mate.
I do not need spectrum photos.
All I asked was Penetration of DE.
Seems Nanolux has my business over Gavita.
shloppyjoe
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So DE>HPS & CDM>DE. How do you feel about a combination of both DE & CDM? Also I'm curious if LED and LEP will ever catch up to HPS, DE or CDM. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this and real world examples in play.
I'm preparing to start a new setup soon (30x20x10 flower) and wondering how combining lighting plays out. I was thinking perhaps gavitas DE fixed into the ceiling with CDM on pulleys and staggered.
Very interesting read BTW on your perspectives on far red lighting supplement and lowering "on" times. I read a while ago about starting 12/12 in flower, and tapering down as weeks go by (13/11, 16/8, 18/6).
Trippyness
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LED is a great technology.
The best LED's out there are just as good as DE ( BML, KIND LED)
They are just so expensive.
For the price of 1 LED I can get 4 DE fixtures.
If going BML I can get many more.
Sure the watts is a bit less but it will take a long time to get your money back.
LED have less heat, but again for the long run I dont believe they are worth it until they come down in price.
If your starting a setup that Big Id suggest Nanolux DE over Gavita.
If you can afford LED go LED otherwise go DE.
WIll you be running soil,coco or hydro and if hydro which kind?
Running SOG or SCROG?
As for CDM... they will not beat a DE plain and simple.
The cost far outweighs the PROS.
As for lowering on times.
A sun set and sun rise function would be benificial, but lowering your ON times only reduces the time your plants have to Photosynthesize which produces Flowers and growth.
ANy help shoot me a PM as I am setting up a new room and have all my final stuff ready to buy. I have a very large budget as well. Can give you some tips and reasons why if needed.
Cheers
Dr. Who
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u/mols (the real way to measure plant light), Spectrum. The CDM's deliver the low end blue's (more spectrum across the board) and even UV lighting lacking in HID spectral performance. All the while giving up no PAR availability. CDM's are 315w = Save money but, only have a 3x3 footprint...The Blue end helps ripening and the UV increases potency.interesting will have to have a read you mention beating Gavita ??? as in how ?? efficiency surely not yield i am seeing 3 pounds per 1 k with my eyes closed i am hearing from my close friends pulling 3.5 to 4 pounds off nanolux DE units here is a actual outside test done comparing nano to oshio gavita etc mind you with them numbers buddies are getting its a no brainer to have ordered some
Mind you 415 dollars for one Nano DE unit i am very curious what the costs would be to get 3.5 - 4 pounds from CDM initial cost the same ??? 415 bucks
This testing was done just a few months ago and got a feature article in High Times......They went Goo - Goo for the CDM
The 315w cdm is not cheap at 500 per but includes a special square wave ballast to make the 315 as effective as 1K HID
Doc
Dr. Who
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That's all not so ,,,,, boy, how do I say this?.......Not really in a way......PAR lighting spectrum will case more rapid growth and longer node space. Depending on when used.
The blue or Low End spectrum will give shorter node space and more leaves or "plant mass" and also cause ripening to be FASTER and more complete. This use shortens the flower period by minor amounts.
There are now out (HortiLux I think) 1K bulbs that are including blue and UV spectrum all in a HPS bulb......$127 per last I saw. This opens up some possibilities as I'm tired of my slow ripening HPS......
The green spectrum does nothing for a plant that we know or understand....
Fuller spectrum growing has positive Terp, Trich, and potency effects on our plants..
Doc
Dr. Who
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I belong to a little grower "co-op" a cpl of us started some years back.....We get together and compare notes and new things we try and tests we do on products and new idea's......With that said. We have a cpl of guys who do mix lighting and have wonderful results....Your idea of fixed Gav's and moving CDM is interesting......You might look at Light movers (The higher speed one's) as that would have them in play for all the plants during "on time".
The LEDs in COB are real cool looking - far better spectral spread from one bulb - You have to build them yourself...
The thing about LEDs are that they change in quality SO fast that what you bring to the table today - Is obsolete in a month.....Factory built arrays are junk to good but have the same problem. They can't keep up with the advance's in the science...
Several LED guys still tell people asking about LEDs to simply use HID.
The pfr testing I did was fun and I learned lots! The thing is with running 2 commercial ops attempting to supply 2 shops. You learn to keep tight on numbers. The added 1 3/4 - 2 hrs of lights on time did increase the yield some,,,,,,,BUT,,,,,,,, not enough to offset the increase in cost to do that......Would be cool on a small scale to have played with that more.....Now with my new "personal" grow.....I do have a cpl of those 730nm LEDs still on a shelf at one of the other ops.....I should play with those some more..
Lowering light times.....I have spoken with someone else here that has done that.....Works but, you loose to much at 6/18.
As a note. I never ever run at 12/12.....I always start at 11/13....I find (opinion) more uniformity, with less stress and better pheno expression at 11/13......You will get less Herming - PERIOD with less then 12/12.....In reality, 12/12 is rather "unnatural" for cannabis as it's a "Long day, Short night" C-3 plant. The idea that I'm loosing some yield by running 11/13 is not true at all in my testing.....
Doc
Gary Goodson
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@Dr. Who I like you, you post quality info and I respect that. I just feel the need to stop you in this thread. The other day @chuck estevez was pwning a newbie about flushing and then he found out that this loud mouth arrogant bastard had never even cloned before. Yet he(the newb) was talking like it was the word of God(flushing that is) after our boy Chuck found out it was over.
Same things going on here, this dude is a newb talking about "advanced level shit" but just February of this year he himself started a newb thread.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/newbie-grower-help.860392/
This dude is more worried about numbers on paper and "crunching numbers" as opposed to real world results. All companies that produce a product are going to attempt to sell the fuck out of it. So their numbers are going to be inflated for sells. Or they will pay a person to give them a good review. All this research Trippyshits is talking about is most likely hype. Does anyone remember his last thread when he was talking about LEDs and how much he will yield from them? He was saying things like "I know for a fact" and "my friends are doing this right now" blah blah bullshit.
So to sum this up Doc, don't cast your pearls before swine.
Same things going on here, this dude is a newb talking about "advanced level shit" but just February of this year he himself started a newb thread.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/newbie-grower-help.860392/
This dude is more worried about numbers on paper and "crunching numbers" as opposed to real world results. All companies that produce a product are going to attempt to sell the fuck out of it. So their numbers are going to be inflated for sells. Or they will pay a person to give them a good review. All this research Trippyshits is talking about is most likely hype. Does anyone remember his last thread when he was talking about LEDs and how much he will yield from them? He was saying things like "I know for a fact" and "my friends are doing this right now" blah blah bullshit.
So to sum this up Doc, don't cast your pearls before swine.
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chuck estevez
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Kind L.E.D as good as DE? LMFAO no plurple is going to out perform my gavita.
Trippyness
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Was my first INDOOR HYDRO GROW.
Since then I have been running 4 rooms mate,
This is irelivant.
I have a full LED room mate.
Please watch your mouth.
Gary Goodson
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Trippyness
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This thread is getting a bit off topic here.
CDM is a great technology , but it seems there is alot of BRO science in here.
From what I can see the Nanolux DE is by far the best.
People can diss on LED but LED is great if you get the correct one.
BML is a great fixture.
As for CDM I will do the research on that as the wattage is low and high PAR and spectrum.
This is getting alot of good information about DE among others.
Would love to see some real grows on LEC/CDM.
CDM is a great technology , but it seems there is alot of BRO science in here.
From what I can see the Nanolux DE is by far the best.
People can diss on LED but LED is great if you get the correct one.
BML is a great fixture.
As for CDM I will do the research on that as the wattage is low and high PAR and spectrum.
This is getting alot of good information about DE among others.
Would love to see some real grows on LEC/CDM.
Trippyness
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Never grown Indoor.
Again if you wish to troll this thread please leave.
This is a thread about DE fixtures.
Live and learn mate.
I currently run 4 rooms and am adding another one.
So again tick to the subject and add useful information thanks.
Again if you wish to troll this thread please leave.
This is a thread about DE fixtures.
Live and learn mate.
I currently run 4 rooms and am adding another one.
So again tick to the subject and add useful information thanks.
Trippyness
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WHich LEC systems
Still CDM needs red spectrum for flowers or else its just supplemental lighting.