rkymtnman
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that's what i think too. once they realize that an endorsement from a guy in orange suit isn't gonna get them a victory, they will all change their tune.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Trump might be finding out about the Georgia prison system firsthand, along with Lindsey, who might even come to like his stay... I'm sure the media will take an intense interest in Donald's suffering and whining, they still have chain gangs there?
If Donald is tried by a black judge, with a mostly black jury and prosecuted by a black woman in Georgia, it will cause a stir and probably a riotous reaction in the south to say the least! His exhortations to violence would have a lot more impact in Georgia than in NY and I can see the courthouse surrounded by tens of thousands, an army of morons and white trash, all armed to the teeth.
Fogdog
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Americans should be tried by Americans, not Black people. Americans should be either be pardoned or transferred to resorts if they have to serve time. Georgias prisons should only be used to hold un-americans. Trump has executive privilege and cannot be charged because everything he does is in the national interest.
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And that is it, the people who vote in a primary are generally farther right or left than the majority. And that is how you got the extremes in public office. And it will be worse next time around. Trump will be kingmaker or he will throw the board game up in the air in order to be free. We all know there is only one major overriding factor in Trump's decision making. "Me, Me, Me, Me." If he ends up in jail it will be because the "Crooked Left" is out to get him as he is the only one fighting for True Americans. and all "True Americans have to decide what side of history they want to be on, with a leader that can fight for them or on the losing side.
DIY-HP-LED
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Hopefully the great divider will divide the republican party and if just 10% of them splinter off and follow the pied piper into the political wilderness, they will be fucked, margins are thin in America, the democrats hold a slight advantage and the republicans know they have to cheat to win or hold onto power. Donald isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer or exactly rational at the best of times and he will soon be freaking out and panicking bigly.
If they bust and try him in Georgia for state crimes it will be a fucking circus and the courthouse in Atlanta will be surrounded by thousands of morons and assorted lunatics and white trash. It will be like 1/6 in Washington as they storm the courthouse steps braying "Hang the judge, Hang the jury". I wouldn't expect the state police in Georgia to do anything to stop them or defend the courthouse, if their past actions predict their future performance. They will be white terrorists, so they can't shoot them, like if they were black peaceful protesters, even though they will be armed to the teeth with AR15s, body armor and wearing military apparel
Fogdog
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I don't see a lot of extremism in Democratic Party leadership. So-called "Progressives" in Congress don't even number above single digits.
Roger A. Shrubber
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then they ought to fix it...but the republicans didn't seem to have a problem with it, until it served their purposes to have a problem with it...
Roger A. Shrubber
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that is republicans fighting republicans, they know how to play the game better than democrats do....and i for one would love to watch them all self destruct fighting each other, while the democrats keep on plodding across the finish line.
rkymtnman
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i'm with you. let trump take maybe 10 mil or 20 million away from the R's. real republicans are 180 degrees from trump anyway. they just rode him for the win in 16.
Roger A. Shrubber
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that's why you call out the national guard, from a northern democratic state, and give them live ammo and orders to shoot the first time they see a weapon...and you do it all very publicly, and very loudly...if the fucking magats still want some shit after that much warning, give them some shit....
doublejj
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“Never Interrupt Your Enemy When He Is Making A Mistake”....Sun Tzu
rkymtnman
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extra broccoli. ---- General Tso
DIY-HP-LED
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Governor Kempt might pardon him to keep the peace and to keep from getting lynched himself! A Governor Stacey Abrams would be looking at an insurrection and probably mutiny among some of the national guard. Hell would freeze over before she pardoned Trump! I think they will do Donald in Georgia before the election and like I said, it will be a fucking circus and nightmare for the republicans. There will be riots in Atlanta and they will storm the courthouse like 1/6 in Washington, lead by their republican state representatives and senators!
printer
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Never said there were a lot. Would not even raise an eyebrow in Canada but on the American scale of politics lean far left.
DIY-HP-LED
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This is a major crime and scandal in it's own right, but there's been so much crime this will get lost in the multitude. If Obama tore a corner off one document by accident, it would be a major scandal and crime. Trump ripped up everything he read and tossed it on the floor and kept dozens of boxes of documents that should have been turned over to the archives. I'll bet Trump has other records hidden and they really should get a search warrant, there are grounds and cause to do so
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Boxes of Trump White House records found at Mar-a-Lago resort
Pandora's box(es)?: President Donald Trump improperly removed multiple boxes from the White House that were last month retrieved by the National Archives and Records Administration from his Mar-a-Lago residence because they contained documents and other items that should have been turned over to the office, Jackie, Josh Dawsey, Tom Hamburger, and Ashley Parker report in a scoop this morning.
The recovery of the boxes from Trump’s Florida resort raises new concerns about whether Trump preserved memos, letters, notes, emails, faxes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties, as the Presidential Records Act requires.
And it comes as our colleagues revealed that some records from the Archives delivered to the House committee probing the Jan. 6 insurrection were torn apart and pieced back together, mirroring a Trump habit several of his former aides called troubling.
Responding to the discovery of the boxes at Mar-a-Lago, Trump advisers denied any nefarious intent and said the boxes contained mementos, gifts, letters from world leaders and other correspondence. The items included correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, which Trump once described as “love letters,” as well as a letter left for him by former President Barack Obama, according to two people familiar with their contents.
Dropping the mic: “Things that are national security sensitive or very clearly government documents should have been a part of a first sweep — so the fact that it’s been this long doesn’t reflect well on [Trump],” said a member of the White House Counsel's Office under Obama. “Why has it taken for a year for these boxes to get there? And are there more boxes?”
Why this matters: The Archives has struggled to cope with a president who flouted document retention requirements and frequently ripped up official documents, leaving hundreds of pages taped back together — or some that arrived at the Archives still in pieces. The transfer of these boxes grew out of a discussions between the Archives and the former president’s lawyers that began last year, according to one person familiar with the conversations.
But personnel familiar with recent administrations said the Trump era stands apart in the scale of the records retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. One person familiar with the transfer characterized it as “out of the ordinary. … [the Archives] has never had that kind of volume transfer after the fact like this.”
How does this affect the Jan. 6 investigation? Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), a member of the Jan. 6 committee who did not have knowledge of the Mar-a-Lago find, said the overall records situation reflected the “unconventional nature of how this White House operated.”
“There is a high bar for bringing such cases,” said Charles Tiefer, former House counsel who teaches at the University of Baltimore School of Law.
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Boxes of Trump White House records found at Mar-a-Lago resort
Pandora's box(es)?: President Donald Trump improperly removed multiple boxes from the White House that were last month retrieved by the National Archives and Records Administration from his Mar-a-Lago residence because they contained documents and other items that should have been turned over to the office, Jackie, Josh Dawsey, Tom Hamburger, and Ashley Parker report in a scoop this morning.
The recovery of the boxes from Trump’s Florida resort raises new concerns about whether Trump preserved memos, letters, notes, emails, faxes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties, as the Presidential Records Act requires.
And it comes as our colleagues revealed that some records from the Archives delivered to the House committee probing the Jan. 6 insurrection were torn apart and pieced back together, mirroring a Trump habit several of his former aides called troubling.
Responding to the discovery of the boxes at Mar-a-Lago, Trump advisers denied any nefarious intent and said the boxes contained mementos, gifts, letters from world leaders and other correspondence. The items included correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, which Trump once described as “love letters,” as well as a letter left for him by former President Barack Obama, according to two people familiar with their contents.
Dropping the mic: “Things that are national security sensitive or very clearly government documents should have been a part of a first sweep — so the fact that it’s been this long doesn’t reflect well on [Trump],” said a member of the White House Counsel's Office under Obama. “Why has it taken for a year for these boxes to get there? And are there more boxes?”
Why this matters: The Archives has struggled to cope with a president who flouted document retention requirements and frequently ripped up official documents, leaving hundreds of pages taped back together — or some that arrived at the Archives still in pieces. The transfer of these boxes grew out of a discussions between the Archives and the former president’s lawyers that began last year, according to one person familiar with the conversations.
- “The only way that a president can really be held accountable long term is to preserve a record about who said what, who did what, what policies were encouraged or adopted, and that is such an important part of the long-term scope of accountability — beyond just elections and campaigns,” presidential historian Lindsay Chervinsky said.
- From a national security perspective, Chervinsky added, if records and documents are not disclosed, “that could pose a real concern if the next administration is flying blind without that information.”
But personnel familiar with recent administrations said the Trump era stands apart in the scale of the records retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. One person familiar with the transfer characterized it as “out of the ordinary. … [the Archives] has never had that kind of volume transfer after the fact like this.”
How does this affect the Jan. 6 investigation? Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), a member of the Jan. 6 committee who did not have knowledge of the Mar-a-Lago find, said the overall records situation reflected the “unconventional nature of how this White House operated.”
- “That they didn’t follow rules is not a shock,” Murphy said. “As for how this development relates to the committee’s work, we have different sources and methods for obtaining documents and information that we are seeking.”
“There is a high bar for bringing such cases,” said Charles Tiefer, former House counsel who teaches at the University of Baltimore School of Law.
- Typically, Tiefer said, records preservation proceeds by mutual agreement with the occupant of the White House, staff and archivists. “But if there is willful and unlawful intent” to violate the law, then the picture changes, he said, with penalties of up to three years in jail for willfully concealing or destroying public records.
- “You can’t prosecute for just tearing up papers,” he said of Trump. “You would have to show him being highly selective and have evidence that he wanted to behave unlawfully.”
- Neither Trump nor the Archives responded to requests for comment on the Mar-a-Lago box haul.
DIY-HP-LED
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Grand jury in the spring, perhaps indictments by summer and a trial in the fall? She has enough to go on now, or so say some legal experts I've seen, it's pretty cut and dried. This crime is well over a year old with a ton of damning evidence in the public domain already. I guess she needs a case that even a Trumper on the jury would have trouble with. The trial should be on TV, as most trials in Georgia are, so the country will make their own call I guess.
There seems an unexplained reluctance to be the first to go after Donald with indictments, there could be various reasons for this, but in the end they are all political. Anybody else, like Michael Cohen for instance, would have been indicted long ago and as soon as Trump wasn't POTUS, he should have been indicted in NY by the feds, someone needs to explain this.
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There seems an unexplained reluctance to be the first to go after Donald with indictments, there could be various reasons for this, but in the end they are all political. Anybody else, like Michael Cohen for instance, would have been indicted long ago and as soon as Trump wasn't POTUS, he should have been indicted in NY by the feds, someone needs to explain this.
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Atlanta DA investigating Trump's election interference: 'We're not here playing a game'
Fani Willis cast doubt on Trump's argument that he can't be prosecuted for potential crimes committed during his time in office.
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Georgia prosecutor says presidential immunity won't protect Trump
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) told CNN that the argument Trump's lawyers have made in the past concerning presidential immunity would not stand up in court.
"Of course, I've given thought to if that may be raised as a legal issue," Willis said. "I don't think that that protection will prevent a prosecution if that becomes necessary in this state case."
Last year, Willis began investigating whether Trump or his allies committed any crimes as they attempted to persuade Georgia officials to look for voter fraud in order to secure the former president a victory in the state. The investigation was prompted by a call Trump had with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) encouraging him to look for votes that would overturn the election, CNN noted.
"You and I have listened to that phone call. But also I have the benefit of also having talked to a lot of witnesses and probably having read more on this than most people would like to," Willis told the network.
She also said that she is not concerned about Trump attempting to delay her investigation, adding that she will "use the power of the law" if necessary once grand jury proceedings begin in the spring.
"This is a criminal investigation. We're not here playing a game," Willis told CNN. "I plan to use the power of the law. We are all citizens."
"Mr. Trump, just as every other American citizen, is entitled to dignity. He's entitled to be treated fairly. He will be treated fairly in this jurisdiction," she added. "But I plan to do my job, and my job is to make sure that we get the evidence that gives us the truth. I'm not concerned at all about games to delay this."
Last month, Fulton County Superior Court judges approved Willis's request for a special grand jury to investigate Trump's actions in office. She also reportedly has plans to begin issuing subpoenas in May.
"The special-purpose grand jury not only has the power to subpoena witnesses to come to testify, but also other evidence that may be relevant, whether that's emails, letters, phone calls, whatever you could imagine," she told CNN.
"When I sit down, I will have done everything that I know how to do to bring a fair and true picture. And so they're welcome to their opinions," Willis later added, speaking of her critics who argue she should speed up or narrow her probe. "But while I sit here as the elected DA, we're going to do things so that the American public can be confident we did everything we knew how to do to bring justice."
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Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) told CNN that the argument Trump's lawyers have made in the past concerning presidential immunity would not stand up in court.
"Of course, I've given thought to if that may be raised as a legal issue," Willis said. "I don't think that that protection will prevent a prosecution if that becomes necessary in this state case."
Last year, Willis began investigating whether Trump or his allies committed any crimes as they attempted to persuade Georgia officials to look for voter fraud in order to secure the former president a victory in the state. The investigation was prompted by a call Trump had with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) encouraging him to look for votes that would overturn the election, CNN noted.
"You and I have listened to that phone call. But also I have the benefit of also having talked to a lot of witnesses and probably having read more on this than most people would like to," Willis told the network.
She also said that she is not concerned about Trump attempting to delay her investigation, adding that she will "use the power of the law" if necessary once grand jury proceedings begin in the spring.
"This is a criminal investigation. We're not here playing a game," Willis told CNN. "I plan to use the power of the law. We are all citizens."
"Mr. Trump, just as every other American citizen, is entitled to dignity. He's entitled to be treated fairly. He will be treated fairly in this jurisdiction," she added. "But I plan to do my job, and my job is to make sure that we get the evidence that gives us the truth. I'm not concerned at all about games to delay this."
Last month, Fulton County Superior Court judges approved Willis's request for a special grand jury to investigate Trump's actions in office. She also reportedly has plans to begin issuing subpoenas in May.
"The special-purpose grand jury not only has the power to subpoena witnesses to come to testify, but also other evidence that may be relevant, whether that's emails, letters, phone calls, whatever you could imagine," she told CNN.
"When I sit down, I will have done everything that I know how to do to bring a fair and true picture. And so they're welcome to their opinions," Willis later added, speaking of her critics who argue she should speed up or narrow her probe. "But while I sit here as the elected DA, we're going to do things so that the American public can be confident we did everything we knew how to do to bring justice."
Georgia prosecutor says presidential immunity won’t protect Trump
A Georgia prosecutor investigating former President Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election said in a new interview that presidential immunity will…
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rkymtnman
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jimmy kimmel mentioned this so take it witha grain of salt:
The late night host noted it was a violation of U.S. code, which not only makes it a crime to “conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate, falsify, or destroy” official records, but also sets a very specific penalty: forfeit of office, and disqualification from holding any office
printer
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Trump calls for DirectTV boycott if they remove OAN
"If AT&T/DirecTV cancels OAN, I hope that everyone will boycott and cancel DirecTV," Trump said in a statement issued on Tuesday. "It is a very popular channel, far more popular than most would understand, and they are being treated horribly by the Radical Left lunatics running the networks.
Instead of being allowed to grow, Trump said, OAN's "voice is being shuttered."
"Don't let it happen, cancel DirecTV," the former president said. "If you feel infringed by what this Communist movement is doing, cancel DirecTV!"
Last month, DirecTV, which is owned by AT&T Inc. and TPG Inc., notified Herring Networks Inc., which owns and operates OAN, that it would not renew its contract to broadcast the network. OAN's current contract with DirecTV is reportedly set to expire in April.
DirecTV is OAN's largest distributor with the vast majority of its revenues reportedly coming from its current deal. Other cable providers like Verizon Fios and smaller carries have kept OAN, and it is available to stream online through KloudTV.
OAN, which holds an audience that is not large enough to be tracked by Nielsen Media Researchers, is one of several conservative networks that have been sued in recent months by voting systems companies and others for allegedly broadcasting false or defamatory information about the 2020 presidential election.
"Why give money to people who hate us?" Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said in a social media post announcing he would cancel his subscription to DirecTV.
Other elected Republicans have cited DirecTV's decision as evidence of what they say is corporate America and Big Tech's efforts to suppress the thoughts of Trump supporters and conservatives writ large.
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"If AT&T/DirecTV cancels OAN, I hope that everyone will boycott and cancel DirecTV," Trump said in a statement issued on Tuesday. "It is a very popular channel, far more popular than most would understand, and they are being treated horribly by the Radical Left lunatics running the networks.
Instead of being allowed to grow, Trump said, OAN's "voice is being shuttered."
"Don't let it happen, cancel DirecTV," the former president said. "If you feel infringed by what this Communist movement is doing, cancel DirecTV!"
Last month, DirecTV, which is owned by AT&T Inc. and TPG Inc., notified Herring Networks Inc., which owns and operates OAN, that it would not renew its contract to broadcast the network. OAN's current contract with DirecTV is reportedly set to expire in April.
DirecTV is OAN's largest distributor with the vast majority of its revenues reportedly coming from its current deal. Other cable providers like Verizon Fios and smaller carries have kept OAN, and it is available to stream online through KloudTV.
OAN, which holds an audience that is not large enough to be tracked by Nielsen Media Researchers, is one of several conservative networks that have been sued in recent months by voting systems companies and others for allegedly broadcasting false or defamatory information about the 2020 presidential election.
"Why give money to people who hate us?" Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said in a social media post announcing he would cancel his subscription to DirecTV.
Other elected Republicans have cited DirecTV's decision as evidence of what they say is corporate America and Big Tech's efforts to suppress the thoughts of Trump supporters and conservatives writ large.
Trump calls for DirectTV boycott if it removes OAN
Former President Trump is urging his followers to boycott DirecTV over the company's plans to drop One American News Network (OAN), a conservative cable channel favored by the former commander in chief.
DIY-HP-LED
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I'm coming around to the idea that the slow walk on prosecuting Trump for state and federal crimes has a lot to do with politics, it's been over a year since he's been out FFS! It's still inside the range of normal though, but in the meantime Donald is like a bull in the GOP China shop, causing division and chaos. If he's indicted before the 2022 election, the shit will hit the fan as he freaks out and probably will get himself jailed for blathering until trial. Right now every time he opens his gob he hangs himself by providing more evidence.