Does anyone water cure there bud?

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
I can pick my flushed buds and microwave them and they dont pop, or leave black ash..... but if you do that to a un flushed plant it will pop and leave a black ash. so i think you are the misinfored one LOL

I like my meds to taste smooth and not burn my thort
That's just plain bullshit man, I pulled a bud from one of my plants only 2 days ago, after feeding the day before with "chemical" nutes, quick dried it on a radiator and it smoked perfect, tasted like crap cos I didn't dry it slowly, but perfect white ash, no throat burn, no "snap, crackle, pop".

Do I perform miracles or something? No, I just treat my plants like any other plant and use some common sense. A plant is a plant, and noone on the planet flushes any other plant cos it's senseless.
 

laserbrn

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Yep you never had unflushed/over ferilized weed. the shit pops, as the unmatbleized salts ignite, and it feels like a flame thower on your thorte, leaves a blackes ash instend of a gray ash. When you have some you will know I get my unflushed bud from the Compassion club for only $400 oz, Gotta love hydro... LOL
Of course I have, it didn't do this mysterious crackling/black ash bullshit that I've seen claimed REPEATEDLY. I have experienced weed that's done that and had some "crackle" to it, but couldn't corroberate that it was related to flushing. That's just a myth someone tied to this for you. I know because I've done it side by side with plants that I grew and there wasn't a discernable difference in the way it burned. Flushed bud is a little smoother, but after a full cure, honestly it's negligible if it all noticeable in my experience. It had NOTHING do with crackling/popping.

I suppose if you are comparing two buds not cured and dried in the microwave you can see the difference. I don't dry my buds in the microwave so I can't compare. On my current grow, I'll flush one plant and I'll try microwaving two buds and see if there's a difference. You are right, I've never previously attempted that. It would indicate that pre-cure there's a difference in the way the plant material burns and would lead me to believe that the popping/crackling buds I've experienced in the past are the product of unflushed bud.

I'm always interested and I'll see if I can replicate your results. I'm growing in soil right now so it may not be as discernable as it would be in hydro, but when I grow hydro I do it on a table. Flush one, flush all kinda thing. Hard to do a side by side comparison in my current setup. My next go 'round will almost certainly be hydro and I may devise a way to do this. Might have to have a seperate container for one plant and hand water or setup a small seperate reservoir.
 

ChronicClouds

Active Member
the only problem i can see with this is that thc would be lost in the water. i know it wont dissolve, but what if a bunch of triches fall off and get discarded when you flush the water? its not really that much quicker anyways because after the 7 days of curing in water you still have to dry them for weeks. i think ill stick with air curing.
Did you even read the post? who said anything about drying for weeks? try 5 hours
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
OK, I'm going to do a little experiment. My son bought some good pot a couple of days ago; it's still green, soft and supple; it has not even been dried, much less cured. Last night I put about an eight in a container of water for it to water cure. I'm going to change out the water every day, dry it at the end and do a smoke report. I know what it tastes like now and it's pretty harsh, actually very harsh.

I did have a thought to cross my mind last night as I was looking at the weed sitting in/on the water. What if I added a drop of liquid soap as a surfactant to help it "get wet"? It may not even be an issue because it's about 14 hours later now and they are completely saturated but still floating. I think in 6 water changes all the soap would rinse out. Any thoughts on that? Here's a pic of the bud.
 

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canndo

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Some of my experiences may help in this debate - bear with me.

I did a water cure, not for the cure itself. I was attempting to make some marijuana liquer and wanted the water soluable stuff gone before I soaked the bud in alcohol.
I took half an oz of air cured bud and put it in RO water replacing the water every day but I saved the water thinking that there might be something of importance in there. I let the water dry in a bowl and scraped up a little bit more than 2 grams of crust. I never let the bud dry because the alcohol was only 80 proof and I put the bud in there for a couple of weeks - BTW - the final product was very dissapointing, I may try it again but bake the bud first.

So I got a little over 10 percent of something from the bud, meaning the bud was 10 percent lighter than it was originaly. BUT, I figure the cured bud still had about 35 percent humidity when I started and I don't know how much water that is. I am guessing that I made my bud maybe 8 percent lighter than it was originaly.
 

KushDog

Active Member
ok update on water cure. day 1 water still clear, Changed it any way, day 2 little cloudy, changed it, day three, really cloudy (water smells so good, just like raspberrys :( So i think it is really going to take all the flaver away. it should still be bomb smoke tho, i am sure
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
ok update on water cure. day 1 water still clear, Changed it any way, day 2 little cloudy, changed it, day three, really cloudy (water smells so good, just like raspberrys :( So i think it is really going to take all the flaver away. it should still be bomb smoke tho, i am sure
"You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later." I tried Kushdog. :) I love experiments!!
 

KushDog

Active Member
I harvest a plant every 2 weeks, this weeks plant was Raspberry cough, I am Hang drying some one bacth in 40% humiity & the other in 70% , I took some and put it straight into a brown paper bag, took some wraped it in paper towel, I also rolled some up in a newspaper, and I am water cureing 1/2 oz. I even microwave some(it taste pretty good , because i dont feed my ladys the last few weeks)

Keep you bud away from light, i can't stess that enough,Light F's it up

I have enough meds every week I can do mini experiments :)
 

watchhowIdoit

New Member
OK, I'm going to do a little experiment. My son bought some good pot a couple of days ago; it's still green, soft and supple; it has not even been dried, much less cured. Last night I put about an eight in a container of water for it to water cure. I'm going to change out the water every day, dry it at the end and do a smoke report. I know what it tastes like now and it's pretty harsh, actually very harsh.

I did have a thought to cross my mind last night as I was looking at the weed sitting in/on the water. What if I added a drop of liquid soap as a surfactant to help it "get wet"? It may not even be an issue because it's about 14 hours later now and they are completely saturated but still floating. I think in 6 water changes all the soap would rinse out. Any thoughts on that? Here's a pic of the bud.
I am going to use either distilled or R/O water for my little experiment. Instead of dumping the jar I am just going to move the buds into a new jar of fresh water when needed. Going to read pH and ppm of the waste water as I go. Maybe get a bit more insight on the amount of 'things' we are actually removing...
And as a few have stated water cured bud dries much faster than most would think. Kinda goes with my suspicions on the 'claimed' additional weight loss....
 

watchhowIdoit

New Member
The snap, crackle and pop-black ash is just a ploy to divert attention away from the fact no flushers can explain exactly what they are flushing out. You could dry and cure flushed weed to burn black ash with a crackle the same as unflushed....
 

KushDog

Active Member
day 4 on raspberry cough water cure. I am pretty sure it is going to take ALL flavor away, The water looks like shit but smells SO good, like a raspberry jucie ... tomorrow (day 5) i am going to take a bud out and dry it and smoke it for the name of science... LOL
the air dtying buds are smokable, just got done smoking a bowl. :) I want to grow out some other fruity tasteing weed (Raspberry cough , taste like raspberrys, just like strawberry cough taste like strawberrys), the Blue berry going around town doesn't even taste like blueberrys.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
day 4 on raspberry cough water cure. I am pretty sure it is going to take ALL flavor away, The water looks like shit but smells SO good, like a raspberry jucie ... tomorrow (day 5) i am going to take a bud out and dry it and smoke it for the name of science... LOL
the air dtying buds are smokable, just got done smoking a bowl. :) I want to grow out some other fruity tasteing weed (Raspberry cough , taste like raspberrys, just like strawberry cough taste like strawberrys), the Blue berry going around town doesn't even taste like blueberrys.

And the Snozzberries taste like SNOZZBERRIES!
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I poured off the water from my first day and it was the color of champagne. I didn't smell of it. I'll be changing again in a few more hours but this one looks about the same.
 

farmersmurf

Active Member
Great contribution!!
well its a big subject here curing. I often get sick but amused at how noobs want to dry there bud out quick. if anyone remembers the epic food dehydrator pots online about 7-10 years ago I wonder if this was used then! theres dry/jar, wet, and outside/or/ flue curing so.. thanks I figured it would raise a brow or two haahaa!

I am water curing part of todays harvest
Fantastic! don't do much just try a bud or two AND PLEASE come back with a report! your more then welcome too!

Here it is, straight from the Las Vegas accountant himself:
"Here's the "magic" behind the increased potency you get by water curing.

For the sake of making it simple, I'll use an example of 100 grams of bud going into the pot.

Now, you had this bud assayed and know that 15% of it is pure THC.

15% of 100 grams is 15 grams. So in our example the 100 grams of fresh bud has 15 grams of THC in it.

You water cure it and dry it. Now you have only 70 grams of bud left. WTF?

But you are deceived because the 15 grams of THC is part of the remaining 70 grams of bud. 15 divided by 70 equals 21.42%.

Sooo....

The mass didn't change, just some of the things that were there - aren't there anymore, so what is left becomes a bigger proportion of the entirety.

You go assay your water cured bud and find out it has 21.42% THC content - a 50% increase in potency."
Theoretical for you all.
Take a bud, air dry and properly cure to a set moisture level....weigh it...
Now reverse the clock and get the original bud back and water cure and dry it to the same moisture level...weigh
Please tell me were that extra 10-15% of bud mass went? Only thing removed from the jar during water curing was the water when changed. It didnt go anywhere, mass just does not disappear into thin space.
I have nothing against water curing if its your thing. And many have explained most of the actual pros and cons.
But to promote this method as a way to increase potency through very creative math is just wrong. You can come up with all kinds of numbers with math, even make them work in your favor. But assigning those numbers to fact in the real world is a different story. I am not saying the OP is promoting it. I dont think he is. He came across a post and just wanted to know more about it. This is exactly how mythological bullshit gets started......the original author(not the OP of this thread) of the post is a dumbass....
well when you put that shit in a dehydrator.. it takes completely all the moisture out of it. I would try it but not worth buying a dehydrator for..besides I just figured it was interesting.

I think that's a scam or just bullshit. I've smoked unflushed bud and it tasted fine. I've tried over and over and to find any information that substantiates the claim that flowers/leaves contain fertilizers or salts. I can't find ANYTHING to corroberate that line of shit that I've only seen repeated on MJ growing forums. If anyone has any university studies or any scientific evidence that this is true, please, please send it to me. It doesn't seem to be an issue on any other gardening websites, it doesn't seem to be true about any other fruits/vegetables and only seems to be repeated here.

I haven't run my own scientific studies to determine if it's true, but I have smoke unflushed bud against flushed bud, and it did not pop or crackle or have any other negative effects. After a proper drying/curing the shit was the same.
yeah this last sentence says it all! if you dont cure it properly and get the chloryphyll out yuck!! it will not burn that grey ash!

One thing that really appeals to me is the lack of smell. I can't honestly think of any times when I've thought I wished it smelled stronger in the bag or up in smoke but there are plenty of times I have been carrying a little bag on me and could smell it loud and clear. Also, when smoking in your house or room it is very hard to get the smell out once it's done.

I see where watchhowidoit is coming from and it's a legit question. According to the law of conservation of mass, that 10% - 15% has to go somewhere; it can't just disappear. I can't quantify the ratio of chlorophyll in a bud but 10% - 15% does not seem to be unreasonable. We all know and hate that damn "hay" taste from air dried / cured bud and if you get the same about of THC with these other benefits, I'm all for it.

that totally sucks! I hate when people put there hard work and effort into something and then totally piss all-over the curing stage. It's like there king kong cause they got some weed. My personal favorite is when they chop the poor plant up to death exposing too much air and chlorophyll too soon when air-drying the plant. Then they cant keep there paws out of the jar. I guarantee that's a big factor in the hay bale taste! Especially if it's an outdoor crop! you have to use the paper-bag, then the jar. that really seems to increase the hay taste when not using the paper bag! so dont hack any up to pieces for hanging and then hit the jar lmao.
 

farmersmurf

Active Member
if u have a harsh weed water cure is great, if you have a great tasteing fruity bud, i would hang it.

:-P

I flush in hydro, I don't really bother in soil. Even then, I only flush if the plants are still really really green when the buds have matured fully and ripened.

It's not salts and fertilizer in your plants. Your plants don't take up "fertilizer" although they can take up some salts, it's not the salts that are causing the smoking experience that you are referring to. It's Chlorophyl, plain and simple.

In my experience if the plants are yellow and purple and dead when they are harvested, the smoke will be smooth and tasty, if they are really really green and healthy, you will get a lot of harshness from Chlorophyl and a good cure is the only solution.

When the plants begin their natural senesence, triggerered by the change in lights schedules it signals to the plant that reproduction needs to be the #1 priority. If your plants are focusing on building buds and don't have the nutrients available to continue the process in the rootzone they will get it from their own leaves. Drawing down these nutrients from the leaves slows photosynthesis and the production of chlorophyl. The main reason that people feel that flushing provides a better smoke is that it actually forces the plant into this position and being deprived of nutrients it will draw from within and will slow the production of chlorophyl.

The problem is that this is a trade off. Slowing photosynthesis also means slowing bud production as well in the final week(s). The plant is producing less and less energy from the lights and your ultimate yield will be less than if you didn't flush. Some people have a goal of harvesting green plants, and the reason is that the plants had EVERYTHING available to them for the entire grow and grew to their max potential, but often the smoke can a be a little harsh. I have found personally that I like to keep them green as long as possible and feed them less and less as flowering finishes up, but I don't do a full on "flush". It's kind of a balance thing for me. Too green (like the ones in my avatar....but look how BIG!) and they can be a little harsh, but rightly potent, and if they get too jacked up too early obviously yield is dimished greatly.

In conclusion, I understand the process, I see why people do it. It will cause your buds to be a little smoother smoke, but it's not to remove chemicals and/or salts from the plants themselves. It's really to slow the production of Chlorophyl, the enemy of smooth smoke.

This has been my experience and is based on what I've read of plant biology, other annuals and fruits, and from the smoke that has resulted from my years of growing. I am not a biologist and I don't proclaim that this information is 100% accurate. Take it for what you want, but this has been my experience and is where I currently sit after many hours of research on this subject. There's a lot of information and misinformation, but I have looked at tobacco plants, how they are grown and whether they flush, as well as any other fruits/vegetables (although not smoked so I specifically researched tobacco) and I this was the conclusion I've come to.
its mainly chlorophyll. salts build-up and cause nutrient lockout lol
 
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