Curing - and other Urban Legends

phillby69

Member
Sums it up. If I understand it right I should keep it in a jar in a cool dark place when dried, opening it up daily for an hour or so to get some fresh air in. But how many days is best, or should i be mesuring it in weeks before it's peaked. I've been told it takes time for the clorophyl to break down - is this bollocks or what?:

I've been told that a clone of a clone of a clone etc will gradually lose strenght taste and aroma, i can't see why - is this true?https://www.rollitup.org/images/smilies/redeyesmoke.gif
 

bud god

Active Member
how long you keep it in the jar is to your preference depends on what you like if you sample it once a week you will know when its ready to your taste.as for the clone of a clone thing i heard it takes quite a few generations to weakin the strain.
 
so you think curing is an urban legend?
I bet some others dont think the same way you do, me for one.
If you try cannabis that has been cured properly and then trey cannabis that ISNT cured at all, you can tell the difference.

I have heard the same thing as to clones, but i only take them when I have a good strain and pass them to the others in my Kartel.
 

ChubbySoap

Well-Known Member
weeks is better....months if need be...it's like a wine...years is a bit to much though as the good bits start fizzing out
but no one seems to take the time these days....it's all about moving product as soon as possible
4 to 6 weeks seems to be common from what i've seen

chlorophyll does indeed break down over time and tends to lend a hay like or grassy taste to the herb
depending who you are or if you grow for personal use or for clients, you might not need to wait
some enjoy that particular flavor....even swear by it

the clone question is a complex one...there are many differing views.

Personally, i believe that the plants genetics play a heavy hand in this myth....the act of clipping clones is a very stressful one
Air layering is a good option for clones imo...less stressful
more sensitive strains may very well 'mutate' as it were, due to the stress, producing a notable negative difference come harvest time
more robust strains give two squats about such maiming, and go on to produce consistent crops

likewise i think the grower themselves provide the other half of the equation....if you have a perfect environment and give the plants everything they need without excess you will have good results
if you screw up somewhere...well...yeah....that's the learning bit....you gotta mess up to gain experience
 

phillby69

Member
So how long would you cure it for, I know this depends on a lot of factors but i'm new to this so a ballpark figure would help?
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
I'm pretty sure clones lose vigor over time and die. But this can take years.
This is why anybody having a pure G13 is not possible anymore. Even if there was an original cut left somewhere, the story is 30 years old, the clone would have lost so much vigor that anyone silly enough to buy it wold surely be sorry. It would have had to been hybridized somwhere down the line to keep the genetic going. At best the only ting left is G13 2.0

If you want to physically see what comes out of your weed when you cure, try your hand a water cure.
https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/426099-my-try-water-cure.html
 

taint

Well-Known Member
I've seen a couple cuts done successively for over 20 years each with zero loss of anything.
I myself believe it's like air bubbles in yer cut stems........a myth.
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
The plant doesn't die, it becomes unworthy of growing/breeding.
If you have a really old cut, 20-25 years old let's say
if it's not growing fast or healthy anymore, if almost all the cuttings die before they root,
if it loses it's resistance disease and bugs, if it loses potency, if it loses resin production and
smell and taste and flavor etc....
that to me WOULD be considered dead.
 

Serapis

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Originally Posted by Serapis
While there are variables that make it difficult to control the drying time, we can easily control the cure time. I never dry for more than three days. Doing so is counter-productive to a good cure. After 3 days, I jar them, each half gallon jar contains buds still on the stems, and a hygrometer. I don't leave much airspace at the top, and that is for a reason. The buds are in varying shapes and sizes and in order to get a controlled cure, we have to sweat the buds once to get everything even. We do that by jarring up the goods after 3 days dry time, whether all the buds feel dry or not. I leave the jars closed up tight for about 3-4 hours, and then I place them in my collapsible net dryer for just 10-12 hours. In this short time, the outsides will crisp up again, quickly. Don't waste too much time getting them back into the jars. At this point, the hygrometers should be reading just under 70% humidity.. and holding steady. If one goes over 70%, empty that jar onto some newspaper and let it sit out for 6 hours and then jar it back up for 6 hours. Eventually, it should drop below 70% and stay there.

Now is the time to sweat it out, slowly. Once we get the weed down below 70%, we have greatly reduced the chance of mold or mildew and can begin the slow, drawn out cure to improve flavor, THC levels and allow the terpenoid oils to develop that wonderful aroma that drives us all wild with passion. I allow my jars to breathe for about 15 minutes a day, twice a day, as long as the RH is below 70% but above 65%. My goal now is to take about 3-4 days to get my weed to 65% relative humidity when jarred. At 65%, the chance for mold is almost non-existent, and we can start to skip a day between burping the jars. At 65 - 60%, I burp for about 2-3 minutes, once every other day.

When you get to 60% RH in the jars, you are nearing long term storage ability. The goal now is to take your time getting the RH to 55%. At 55%, we want to stop burping the jars and consider a longer term storage that is cool and dark. At the 60% - 55% range, i burp once a week, for maybe 5 minutes. Now I never neglect to check the jars several times a day for mold at first, even when I am not burping. I also cut the buds from the stem after the RH is steady and just below 70% and re-jar, leaving about 20% air space at the top. I also gently shake the jars to move the bud around, and use a chop stick if I have to to break up clingers.

This is how I do it. I learned this method, right here on RIU. It is a simple to follow recipe that takes all the BS out of drying and curing. It doesn't matter if you have a high humidity or a low one, everyone can do this. Regardless of how the bud feels at 3 days of hanging, pull it and jar it. As long as you have hygrometers, you won't fail.... the ones pictured below were only $4 on eBay. Some may wish to spend more for a more reliable one, but these can be adjusted from the back to match your trusted analog or digital meter as well. Every new grower should use these until they have mastered curing. even some masters, including those working in tobacco, still use them.





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Serapis

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Genetic Drift takes a long time to adversely affect marijuana's traits.... You won't live long enough to notice the difference, neither will your children.... I'm not sure why people even worry about it.... if that was the ONLY way we passed genetics along to future generations, then yes, it may be an issue. But for any of us growers, knock yourself out taking cuttings from cuttings.... You'll never see a difference in your lifetime.

The plant doesn't die, it becomes unworthy of growing/breeding.
If you have a really old cut, 20-25 years old let's say
if it's not growing fast or healthy anymore, if almost all the cuttings die before they root,
if it loses it's resistance disease and bugs, if it loses potency, if it loses resin production and
smell and taste and flavor etc....
that to me WOULD be considered dead.
 

GidgetGrows

Well-Known Member
Clones of a clone: If you buy a clone from a dispensary and turn it into a mother plant and cut clones, you'll probably not experience many problems. Just keep her vegging and take cuttings.
If you buy clones, veg them and cut new clones from those plants, you may run into problems such as hermies, or weakening of the genetics, but it will be mild and over time, one plant at a time. Again, this may or may not happen, eventually.


Curing: Curing is supposed to be what brings out the fruity and distinct flavors of the bud.
I've "heard" you hang dry it, dry it, put it in paper bags and dry it, and then jar it. In the begining its like jar it 4 hours and open it and check it for moisture. Then if there is obvious moisture or if your bud became really wet then you need to leave it open or possibly unjar it.
Also, don't fill your jars full, only about 3/4 full, it needs the air to "cure".


...pardon if its scatter-brained, I'm medicated... bongsmilie
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
Genetic Drift takes a long time to adversely affect marijuana's traits.... You won't live long enough to notice the difference, neither will your children.... I'm not sure why people even worry about it.... if that was the ONLY way we passed genetics along to future generations, then yes, it may be an issue. But for any of us growers, knock yourself out taking cuttings from cuttings.... You'll never see a difference in your lifetime.
It's no secret that I'm a Mr Nice, Shanti and Neville fan. According to Mr Nice. (it's widely agree that they received a true G13 clone) in the description for G13 Skunk, the original G13 clone mother lost it's vigor for life one day and died.
http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=23 - Second sentence
This could hardly be beginner mistakes. I'm sorry but I believe the pros over forum folklore. I hate to rebut and leave but I really don't know much more than I've stated so I'm gonna try to stay out of this.
 

ChubbySoap

Well-Known Member
yes, i can't imagine anyone just saying the lights fell on the plant and killed it good...or some unsavory accident occurred.
could you imagine the plummet in sales?

much more eloquent the way they put it....wonder what happened?

Back on topic, growing conditions can easily half both potency and yield all by themselves.
Never mind the stress screwing with DNA and hormone/protein production cause i really still don't get it yet.

I'm pretty sure even the most sensitive of strains can be cloned forever though without any loss in genetics, if conditions are kept ideal.

Photoperiod disruptions seems to be the number one cause of gentetic decline, followed by inadequate veg time after reverting from flower, incorrect temp/RH, and then finally media/nutrient issues
One night too cold, one power failer, one day you nute burn, a vacation with plant sitters, or one single incident out of norm and the whole works can be shot to hell
 

phillby69

Member
I've seen a couple cuts done successively for over 20 years each with zero loss of anything.
I myself believe it's like air bubbles in yer cut stems........a myth.
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That's what i needed to hear, saves me paying out for seeds unecessarily, cheers bud.
 

tip top toker

Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure clones lose vigor over time and die. But this can take years.
This is why anybody having a pure G13 is not possible anymore. Even if there was an original cut left somewhere, the story is 30 years old, the clone would have lost so much vigor that anyone silly enough to buy it wold surely be sorry. It would have had to been hybridized somwhere down the line to keep the genetic going. At best the only ting left is G13 2.0

If you want to physically see what comes out of your weed when you cure, try your hand a water cure.
[URL]https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/426099-my-try-water-cure.html[/url]
So you're saying that my near 30 year old cheese cut is a waste of peoples time, considering i sat this weekend amoung 30 people arguing with them that the weed i had "bought" was not laced. But you're pretty sure, that's all i need....

As to curing, well i start smoking the stuff the moment it'#s dry so never have more than a few nugs or so of "properly" cured, never really notice too much of a difference, but that is just me, smoke is smoke, nasty stuff.
 

taint

Well-Known Member
This is a pre 88 g13 cut beanz,been dragging this thing around for quite some time now and I have seen zero decline in any aspect of it's performance.
You do realize the people your quoting have a monetary interest in the lies they tell,fucking seed schills my man................
 

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cowboylogic

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And Beansly also questions natures ability to germ a bean properly. Pointy end up...... Unless there is a nuclear holocaust, or some other enviromental factor involved, during any of the clones life. A clone is a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone........As Serapis said, We, our children, grand children and about as many greats as you want to throw in. Will not be able to see any genetic drift.......FACT...........
 
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