Curing - and other Urban Legends

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Hemlock

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I've been told that a clone of a clone of a clone etc will gradually lose strenght taste and aroma, i can't see why - is this true?

No its Not
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Uhhhh, lost it's vigor for life...... hmmmm..... that sure sounds like genetic drift to me :roll:.... come on.... You call that a rebuttal? lol Go read up on genetic drift in horticulture.... it takes 1000's of cycles before genetic drift is apparent or measurable in any way... it isn't forum folklore.... it is a fact, unlike your using that "lost it's vigor for life" as proof that geneticists are all wrong.... LOL

You slay me Beaner dude.... roflmao

Beansly said:
It's no secret that I'm a Mr Nice, Shanti and Neville fan. According to Mr Nice. (it's widely agree that they received a true G13 clone) in the description for G13 Skunk, the original G13 clone mother lost it's vigor for life one day and died.
http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=23 - Second sentence
This could hardly be beginner mistakes. I'm sorry but I believe the pros over forum folklore. I hate to rebut and leave but I really don't know much more than I've stated so I'm gonna try to stay out of this.
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Serapis

Serapis

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After 1000's of cycles of taking cuttings from cuttings, yes, those and other changes may occur..... I'm only efficient enough to maybe cycle through 7-8 sets of cuttings a year..... if we just went with 1000 cycles, it would take me 133 years before I MIGHT notice adverse effects.... That is why I laugh when people bring this topic up... it is fine to take cuttings from cuttings... we are talking about cuttings from a plant, not cloning a sheep from a cloned sheep....

Hemlock said:
I've been told that a clone of a clone of a clone etc will gradually lose strenght taste and aroma, i can't see why - is this true?

No its Not
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taint

taint

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Personally I think beanz has come a long way on the path of enlightenment and he certainly shows enough mental capacity to see the reality of the commercial bean scene.
Most of us started out believing all the hype and utter bullshit...........it is a fucking deluge after all.
My bet is given time and exposure to all this.............he's gonna end up being a good one.
Just takes time to wade through all the bullshit.
 
taint

taint

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tip top toker said:
Really? I always considered a cutting and a clone the same thing. What's the actual difference?
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The diff is a cut is just that,cut off the plant.
A clone is grown from cells in a petri dish and requires actual scientific experience and equipment.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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Um, the only reason that a laboratory and the study of cells is required for cloning is that you can't cut off a sheeps back leg and throw it in a swimmingpool and wait for it to become a sheep. A clone is a genetic copy, if i take a "cutting" from my cannabis plant, it is a genetic copy, it is a clone.

Here are a couple of definitions:

Verb: Propagate (an organism or cell) as a clone: "of the hundreds of new plants cloned, the best ones are selected".
Noun: A group of organisms or cells produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical.
 
taint

taint

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Biology . a. a cell, cell product, or organism that is genetically identical to the unit or individual from which it was derived.

b.to penetrate or divide something, as with a sharp-edged instrument; make an incision:
 
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vogel

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phillby69 said:
Sums it up. If I understand it right I should keep it in a jar in a cool dark place when dried, opening it up daily for an hour or so to get some fresh air in. But how many days is best, or should i be mesuring it in weeks before it's peaked. I've been told it takes time for the clorophyl to break down - is this bollocks or what?:<br />
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Tobacco for instance can be cured and typically is. Curing (and partial fermentation) completely remove the "plant aroma" of the cured tobacco leaving a far smoother and very different smell from uncured tobacco.

Curing also ensures a uniform and even consumption of the tobacco by flame when lit, as well as fixing the chlorophyll and adjusting the plant sugar content allowing the natural sweetness of the cured tobacco to come out in the smoke.

The only downside to curing is that it takes a great deal of time. Typical tobacco curing times are between six months to years depending on the type of cure and the process used.

Take this information and apply it however you may.

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Cut plants or pulled leaves are immediately transferred to tobacco barns (kiln houses), where they will be cured. Curing methods vary with the type of tobacco grown, and tobacco barn design varies accordingly.

Air

Air-cured tobacco is hung in well-ventilated barns and allowed to dry over a period of four to eight weeks. Air-cured tobacco is low in sugar, which gives the tobacco smoke a light, sweet flavor, and a high nicotine content. Cigar and burley tobaccos are air cured.

Fire

Fire-cured tobacco is hung in large barns where fires of hardwoods are kept on continuous or intermittent low smoulder and takes between three days and ten weeks, depending on the process and the tobacco. Fire curing produces a tobacco low in sugar and high in nicotine. Pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, and snuff are fire cured.

Flue

Flue-cured tobacco was originally strung onto tobacco sticks, which were hung from tier-poles in curing barns (Aus: kilns, also traditionally called oasts). These barns have flues which run from externally fed fire boxes, heat-curing the tobacco without exposing it to smoke, slowly raising the temperature over the course of the curing. The process will generally take about a week. This method produces cigarette tobacco that is high in sugar and has medium to high levels of nicotine. The Smith Tobacco Barn is an example of traditional, flue-cured tobacco barn.

Sun

Sun-cured tobacco dries uncovered in the sun. This method is used in Turkey, Greece, Romania and Mediterranean countries to produce oriental tobacco. Sun-cured tobacco is low in sugar and nicotine and is used in cigarettes.

"Put simply, after tobacco is harvested, it is cured, or dried, and then aged to improve its flavour. There are four common methods of curing, and the method used depends on the type of tobacco and its intended use."
-- http://www.tobaccoseed.co.uk/How_to_Cure_Tobacco.html

Sources:

http://www.coffinails.com/curing_tobacco.html
http://www.cpes.peachnet.edu/tobacco/pubs/Harvesting and Curing Flue-Cured Tobacco.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM03bRuNpOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaF-BwwLe2k

As for clones, a clone of any plant if repeatedly cloned from each other will only lose plant vigour and hardiness, protection from disease and parasites. This weakness could manifest itself as an inability to produce unique flavours and othe characteristics but can be easily resolved by breeding it with itself through the use of two clones and some colloidial silver in solution.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Vogel, very informative post! Welcome to RIU and thanks for staying on topic. :) That was a great read on curing methods.
 
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Hemlock

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taint said:
The diff is a cut is just that,cut off the plant.
A clone is grown from cells in a petri dish and requires actual scientific experience and equipment.WRONG
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Dude study up some you in here with professionals, and i'm one of them, Before u let it rip have some fact or experments under your belt.
There are lots of experience willing to help you along but we are not gonna do all the reseach for ya.
 
taint

taint

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Hemlock said:
Dude study up some you in here with professionals, and i'm one of them, Before u let it rip have some fact or experments under your belt.
There are lots of experience willing to help you along but we are not gonna do all the reseach for ya.
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That's funny.
So dude enlighten me.perhaps with some pics of yer clones not cuts but actual clones.
 
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