You’re poetic with words. Nonetheless, you have some good information to share, or at least information in general, and I appreciate that.
First thing first, I post on online forums whenever I remember I have this online persona; so the dates aren’t accurate. Checking my notes, the youngest C25 was 38 days when I switched to flower, and I did so because it/they had preflowers in veg…. And filtered the rest in from there, accordingly. If you recommend a longer veg time, I’m all ears! But for the sake of this conversation, lets just say 38+ days in my case.
Showing preflowers isn't quite mature enough. The nodes should be alternating and you should only take cuts once the entire clone has alternating nodes from top to bottom. No part of it should be symmetrical. This takes me 8-10 weeks with most strains.
Second, my whole purpose of this is to sift through my plants, reveg the “winners”, grow out the clones a couple runs, THEN consider filial breeding — my goal is not to make seeds yet. Hence the last question on my post & previous post about the females.
i’ve only heard one breeder (Nspecta, on the Breeders Syndicate podcast) pledge the idea of throwing out seed-plants and only working with clones. You would be the second to suggest this.
I had a VHS tape from the 90s when I started growing. It outlined how to start from seed to harvest. Their method included taking clones from the seed plants once they were mature, flowering those and keeping the seed plants as a mom or an extra clone.
There might not be many breeders that have posted/talked publicly about it but there's a number of people I can recall speaking on the subject.
If you listened to the Caleb interview you might recall that both Matt and Notsodog were in agreement on the issue, this was nothing new to them.
The breeder from boneyard genetics, Mr. Toad, would tell you the same thing.
Adam Dunn has spoken on this with several guests as well. I can't remember whom he was speaking with but there have been many discussions about having mature, adapted plants before flowering and it's always the clone that hits flower in his instructional.
Ask a seasoned grower and they'll probably tell you they do this because it's how they were told to do it or they figured out it was necessary.
Almost every podcast has had someone talking about the newer growers in places like Oklahoma growing seed plants in 50 light rooms and having it go to seed or that it turns into distillate for one reason or another. The reason it went to seed is obvious to me.
Third, the nodes were alternating before I chopped them down to reveg. I don’t trim the bottoms. What you’re looking at is the lowest sac clusters.
As detailed above the whole plant needs to be mature.
And I’m not criticizing the breeder. I came here with questions and pictures, not to be disingenuous.
I was speaking in general about people, not necessarily you.
Fair point on the stressful situations they underwent; hence why I resorted to revegging. But then the question still stands about males that produce pistils. Are the genetics still considered “stable” or not (?) Would you continue forward with the project or compost everything? Or are you suggesting that because of the indoor (& fast-tracked) conditions I put them through, they’re not viable?
I'd say they're still viable to potentially use as a parent, assuming they reveg and don't show intersex traits on the next run. It's useful to stress test plants but I would say test individual stressors on a specific plant, not stack them all up on the same plant. I wouldn't expect many plants to come through the other side like roses.
I have a higher tolerance for bullshit plants than others so take that with a grain of salt. If the progeny isn't up to snuff or produces intersex plants its gonna suck but if you pop them and they're magical you'll be glad you took a chance. I guess it really depends on your seed stock and what your plans are as to whether you should move on other not.
And likewise, the point is to grow two plants to just get one.
I’m open to any advice.
