hanimmal
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It is always telling when racists don't consider brown people when they talk about racism.
Counties that hosted a 2016 Trump rally saw a 226% increase in hate crimes
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SaltyCracker
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Ahh your stretching arent you .lol
hanimmal
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How so?
SaltyCracker
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You are trying to make some weird point that i dont go down the color spectrum makes me a racist..ughhh
Thats stretching and avoiding the real point.
hanimmal
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Are you snow flaking? I never called you racist.
Unless you are saying you don't consider Trump's very real racism towards brown communities racism, then I guess you are classifying yourself that way. But you shouldn't put that on me.
hanimmal
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https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-elections-ohio-e9e42849c9565b60cfd4607e3590548d
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — White supremacists plotted to attack power stations in the southeastern U.S., and an Ohio teenager who allegedly shared the plan said he wanted the group to be “operational” on a fast-tracked timeline if President Donald Trump were to lose his re-election bid, the FBI alleges in an affidavit that was mistakenly unsealed.
The teen was in a text group with more than a dozen people in the fall of 2019 when he introduced the idea of saving money to buy a ranch where they could participate in militant training, according to the affidavit, which was filed under seal along with a search warrant application in Wisconsin’s Eastern U.S. District Court in March. The documents were inadvertently unsealed last week before the mistake was discovered and they were quickly sealed again.
The teenager wanted the group to be “operational” by the 2024 election because he believed it was likely a Democrat would win, but “the timeline for being operational would accelerate if President Trump lost the 2020 election,” according to the affidavit. An informant told investigators that the teen “definitely wanted to be operational for violence, but also activism.”
The Ohio teen, who was 17 at the time, also shared plans with a smaller group about a plot to create a power outage by shooting rifle rounds into power stations in the southeastern U.S. The teen called the plot “Light’s Out” and there were plans to carry it out in the summer of 2021, the affidavit states.
One group member, a Texas native who was a Purdue University student at the time, allegedly sent the informant a text saying “leaving the power off would wake people up to the harsh reality of life by wreaking havoc across the nation.”
The affidavit identifies three people by name and references others who were allegedly communicating with or part of the group. The Associated Press is not naming any of the individuals because charges have not been publicly filed.
None of the three men immediately replied to emails, texts or voicemails left Tuesday seeking comment. The father of one of the men had no comment.
Federal prosecutors in Ohio are taking the lead on the case. Jennifer Thornton, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of Ohio, said she couldn’t provide additional information because the investigation is ongoing, but “we want to emphasize that there is no imminent public safety threat related to this matter.”
The affidavit details an investigation into group members, who allegedly share white supremacist ideology. The document outlines how they communicated over encrypted messaging applications before three of them eventually met up in person. They also allegedly shared recommended reading on white supremacist literature, required a “uniform” to symbolize their commitment and talked about making weapons. The affidavit says the Ohio teen put Nazi flags in his room, but his mother told him to take them down.
Some group members also indicated that they were prepared to die for their beliefs. One man from Oshkosh, Wisconsin, allegedly told the Ohio teen: “I can say with absolute certainty that I will die for this effort. I swear it on my life.” The teen replied: “I can say the same,” the court documents state.
According to the affidavit, the Wisconsin man also told an undercover FBI employee in February that the group was interested in taking “direct action” against the system and said, “If you truly want a fascist society I will put in the effort to work with you but recruitment is long and not going to be easy.”
He then outlined a “radicalization” process to instill a “revolutionary mindset” which ended with recruits proving they are more than just talk. He allegedly wrote that if it seemed too tough, “I recommend leaving now, we are extremely serious about our goals and ambitions.”
The affidavit says the Ohio teen also spoke numerous times about creating Nazi militant cells around the country like those of the neo-Nazi network the Atomwaffen Division.
Atomwaffen Division members have promoted “accelerationism,” a fringe philosophy espousing mass violence to fuel society’s collapse. More than a dozen people linked to the group or an offshoot called the Feuerkrieg Division have been charged with serious crimes in recent years.
This investigation apparently began after a fourth man, from Canada, was stopped while trying to enter the U.S. The man told border agents that he was going to visit the Ohio teen, whom he had recently met over an encrypted app, according to the affidavit. Agents found Nazi and white supremacist images on his phone.
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — White supremacists plotted to attack power stations in the southeastern U.S., and an Ohio teenager who allegedly shared the plan said he wanted the group to be “operational” on a fast-tracked timeline if President Donald Trump were to lose his re-election bid, the FBI alleges in an affidavit that was mistakenly unsealed.
The teen was in a text group with more than a dozen people in the fall of 2019 when he introduced the idea of saving money to buy a ranch where they could participate in militant training, according to the affidavit, which was filed under seal along with a search warrant application in Wisconsin’s Eastern U.S. District Court in March. The documents were inadvertently unsealed last week before the mistake was discovered and they were quickly sealed again.
The teenager wanted the group to be “operational” by the 2024 election because he believed it was likely a Democrat would win, but “the timeline for being operational would accelerate if President Trump lost the 2020 election,” according to the affidavit. An informant told investigators that the teen “definitely wanted to be operational for violence, but also activism.”
The Ohio teen, who was 17 at the time, also shared plans with a smaller group about a plot to create a power outage by shooting rifle rounds into power stations in the southeastern U.S. The teen called the plot “Light’s Out” and there were plans to carry it out in the summer of 2021, the affidavit states.
One group member, a Texas native who was a Purdue University student at the time, allegedly sent the informant a text saying “leaving the power off would wake people up to the harsh reality of life by wreaking havoc across the nation.”
The affidavit identifies three people by name and references others who were allegedly communicating with or part of the group. The Associated Press is not naming any of the individuals because charges have not been publicly filed.
None of the three men immediately replied to emails, texts or voicemails left Tuesday seeking comment. The father of one of the men had no comment.
Federal prosecutors in Ohio are taking the lead on the case. Jennifer Thornton, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of Ohio, said she couldn’t provide additional information because the investigation is ongoing, but “we want to emphasize that there is no imminent public safety threat related to this matter.”
The affidavit details an investigation into group members, who allegedly share white supremacist ideology. The document outlines how they communicated over encrypted messaging applications before three of them eventually met up in person. They also allegedly shared recommended reading on white supremacist literature, required a “uniform” to symbolize their commitment and talked about making weapons. The affidavit says the Ohio teen put Nazi flags in his room, but his mother told him to take them down.
Some group members also indicated that they were prepared to die for their beliefs. One man from Oshkosh, Wisconsin, allegedly told the Ohio teen: “I can say with absolute certainty that I will die for this effort. I swear it on my life.” The teen replied: “I can say the same,” the court documents state.
According to the affidavit, the Wisconsin man also told an undercover FBI employee in February that the group was interested in taking “direct action” against the system and said, “If you truly want a fascist society I will put in the effort to work with you but recruitment is long and not going to be easy.”
He then outlined a “radicalization” process to instill a “revolutionary mindset” which ended with recruits proving they are more than just talk. He allegedly wrote that if it seemed too tough, “I recommend leaving now, we are extremely serious about our goals and ambitions.”
The affidavit says the Ohio teen also spoke numerous times about creating Nazi militant cells around the country like those of the neo-Nazi network the Atomwaffen Division.
Atomwaffen Division members have promoted “accelerationism,” a fringe philosophy espousing mass violence to fuel society’s collapse. More than a dozen people linked to the group or an offshoot called the Feuerkrieg Division have been charged with serious crimes in recent years.
This investigation apparently began after a fourth man, from Canada, was stopped while trying to enter the U.S. The man told border agents that he was going to visit the Ohio teen, whom he had recently met over an encrypted app, according to the affidavit. Agents found Nazi and white supremacist images on his phone.
hanimmal
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CunningCanuk
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It’s hard to imagine anyone could be worse than trump but hey, the US is the land of possibilities.
You guys had a pretty good run so far. Almost 250 years. Will hubris and a significantly large, uneducated populace be the final nail?
History has shown us that all great empires never last forever.
You guys had a pretty good run so far. Almost 250 years. Will hubris and a significantly large, uneducated populace be the final nail?
History has shown us that all great empires never last forever.
DIY-HP-LED
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I read a bit of Daniel Goleman, he's part of the positive psychology movement or was, he was also into meditation practice etc. Trump supporters were heavily predisposed to Trump or some other psychopath. In deed, the republican party is auto selecting psychopaths and other people pathologically damaged by conditioning, to be candidates at all levels. They were ready for each other and it was love at first sight when he blew the dog whistle into the bullhorn. You see they instinctively knew that Donald was the only one who could give them what they really wanted, genocide. If Black and brown people are the problem, then the solution will be to get rid of them, Donald offered this promise in the future. One of the purposes of the US constitution is to protect the minority from the majority and limit the scope of laws, the constitution and rule of law would have to go. Make no mistake these people are traitors to the constitution, the founding ethos of the nation and to humanity itself, for they would commit crimes against it. It happens in stages, democracy withers away and someone like Trump, only much smarter, becomes a despot.
DIY-HP-LED
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Trump is not in control of the situation, the most radical elements among the republicans are. We recently saw evidence of this at Trump's rally when he spoke about vaccines, he quickly backed away in fear of the reaction from a radical minority of the crowd. Likewise when it comes to racists and neo Nazi's, Donald is sensitive to their desires, as are most other republican politicians, these are the idiots who vote in primary elections. These days the worst and most radical of the republican base really control the party, establishment republicans are walking a tight rope between sanity and madness every day while lying their heads off.
hanimmal
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I don't see us going backwards man. We got hit hard in 2016 and have been under a constant attack for the last 7 years (at the very least) by a foreign nation, and still voted in the better man in 2020.
I think that this is the reason for all the desperate right wing trolls, they know that they are losing their grip on our vulnerable citizens and are throwing everything they can out to try to stop the bleeding. The entire industry of propaganda that they have spent so long building up was utterly exposed by the orange idiot.
DIY-HP-LED
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If Trump had a brain he'd be president now, the election was his to lose, he even caught covid and near died in the middle of a debacle of a campaign FFS! He killed a half a million Americans with malicious incompetence and publicly sucked Putin's arse, was the most horrible person imaginable and still got 74 million votes. The republicans even ran ahead of him in house elections, as America's fear driven racists crawled out of the woodwork and voted in an election that should have been a landslide in any sane country.
DIY-HP-LED
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Trump was a gift, Mitch and the republican would have had it all sewn up with gerrymandering and cheating if Donald didn't show up and destroy the republican party. The 2020 election was Trump's to lose, if he had a brain he would have won and we all would have been fucked. Trump polarized the country and got to the core issues, impeding America's progress. I figure he inadvertently moved things ahead a decade in America politically and spurred activism by women and minorities that will pay off in policy.
DIY-HP-LED
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I believe it has come to the point where if one party gains a significant advantage they will be compelled to destroy the other party. The democrats will do it by making elections open and fair, while implementing popularly supported policies. They will also go after the domestic disinformation networks and social media that drive much of this dangerous foolishness. New domestic terrorism laws and a domestic terrorist list will also be a feature of democratic rule. We need not go into what the republicans would do if they should gain the upper hand, past actions are the best predictors of future ones. You are beyond mere politics at this point and the 1/6 investigations will reveal this.
hanimmal
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The Democrats need to hit 60 in the senate while still holding the house and presidency first. The fight is not done yet.
And then they will just do the job, I do not see them twisting the knife in the Republicans like they could have been all along so I am not worrried about the 2 party system breaking down. The Republicans need to lose a few more election cycles to send a message to the Republicans to join us in this millennium and start helping row this boat.
DIY-HP-LED
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There also have to be some holes in the system that need changing or patching, lot's of things need to be done to make sure this shit never happens again. If the democrats win a few more senate seats in 2022, they will get rid of the filibuster and go straight democratic, except for where the constitution requires it. Holding the house in the face the republican gerrymandering and cheating will be the real challenge. I think in state wide offices and the senate the republicans are toast, you can't gerrymander state wide offices. Given recent history, covid, Trump's troubles and the fact the GOP has over 20 senate seats up for grabs, gives the democrats a decent chance.
hanimmal
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You can't gerrymander state wide elections, but you can sure suppress the shit out of them by bottle necking voting for people voting in the Democrats.
DIY-HP-LED
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One good thing about the house being on recess along with the insurrection hearings, is it let's Afghanistan clear the news cycle and be quickly forgotten. Next up, the insurrection hearings, Trump's legal troubles in NY, other sleazy republicans like Gaetz and Rudy going down and of course DeSantis's covid disaster in Florida. It will be a real busy in the news business in the coming year, and a very busy, expensive and frantic one for Donald and his henchmen. One good thing though, Donald's suckers are paying for his legal bills and other expenses, instead of using it to elect republicans, they won't see a dime of it, except to get primaried for not towing the line.
DIY-HP-LED
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I'm thinking more about the reactions of their soft supporters and independents, many people in America were conditioned to patriotism and actual loyalty to the constitution, 1/6 might have done the most damage to the republicans, that and covid along with 600,000 dead, especially among older voters who are vaxxed. Ya see the vaxxed are kinda a tribe now too and a majority, among the elderly by a large margin, many have grand kids...