Counties that hosted a 2016 Trump rally saw a 226% increase in hate crimes

hanimmal

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Isn't that what the democrats are touting? You are saying the world is constantly getting better. Isn't Trump ruining everything? Isnt that why he needs to be removed from office?
Trump is doing nothing and stopping anything from working as efficiently as it could without him acting like a spoiled child any time he doesn't like what he asked for.

He has broken our election laws, is $400 million in debt to foreign dictators, has used the government funds to line his pockets, lied repeatedly to the public and commanded his people to do the same, several of which are in legal trouble now because they lied to congress while under oath to hide Trump's criminal activity, and other stuff like using the AG to get off his friends and family, nepotism in government offices, endangering American citizens working in the White House cleaning up after him, on and on.

But all that and I still think that we need to vote Trump out. There was never going to be a removal of Trump from office. Obama and Comey screwed up by not slapping cuffs on Trump as soon as they learned that Trump was passing along data to the Russian military. They got railroaded by McConnell and the Republicans with threats they would say it was Obama being political. Once he was elected POTUS, it was too late.

The Russians got in a big shot. We need to all look past what we 'feel' and figure out what is real so we can figure out how to start moving forward again. Trump is allowing this attack to continue. That should be enough for any American to vote Biden. He is a American and has a long career of showing just that.

Biden never cashed in on his political power, and shouldn't scare anyone that wants America to succeed.

It appears that the number of red, orange, and yellow dots have decreased. Those dots represent murder, terrorist pots, and shootouts. The blue and white dots represent events, propaganda, and "incidents". Im much more concerned with the red orange and yellow dots than the blue and whites.
Appears, did you actually check the numbers on the website?
 

hanimmal

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Nope, just went off the data you guys provided.
Right on, just checked it out. There was a uptick in those more deadly events too in the post-Russian attack years.

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hanimmal

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As it was becoming clear in March that Joe Biden would be the Democratic presidential nominee, Alexander Hillel Treisman started to map out his plot to assassinate the former vice president, federal authorities say.

“Should I kill Joe Biden?” Treisman wrote in a caption to a meme he posted in April.

It didn’t appear to be an idle threat, the feds say.

The 19-year-old searched online for Biden’s home address and for night-vision goggles, and purchased an AR-15 in New Hampshire, according to federal court documents first reported Thursday by WBTV. At one point in May, Treisman ended up at a Wendy’s within four miles of Biden’s home in Delaware. And when he was arrested later that month in North Carolina, police searching his van found four rifles, a 9mm handgun, explosive materials, books on bomb making, and $509,000 in cash.

Those revelations all come in an order that a federal magistrate judge filed earlier this month outlining why Treisman, who was indicted by a federal grand jury in September on child pornography charges, should remain in custody.
It’s unclear whether Treisman will face additional charges related to the alleged plot.

News of the alleged plot against Biden is the latest violent threat against the former vice president to be broken up by authorities. A 42-year-old Maryland man was charged Wednesday for allegedly writing a letter in which he threatened to kill Biden and Sen. Kamala D. Harris. (D-Calif.).

Md. man accused of threatening to kill Biden and Harris faces federal charge

Originally from Seattle, Treisman, who also went by the alias Alexander S. Theiss, was arrested on May 28 after tellers at the Fifth Third Bank in Kannapolis, N.C., reported a white Ford van abandoned in the parking lot. When the police in the town about 30 miles northeast of Charlotte arrived, they said they could see numerous guns and boxes of ammo in the windows.

“Further investigation uncovered several indicators that criminal activity was afoot,” Kannapolis Police Chief Terry Spry said in a statement to WBTV. “Federal agents were contacted and while awaiting their arrival the suspect returned to the business.”

Police initially arrested Treisman, who was carrying identification cards for Washington state, California and Florida, for carrying a concealed weapon, discovering that he had purchased weapons in at least four states. Federal officials then allegedly found 6,721 images and 1,248 videos of child pornography on eight different digital devices, according to the eight-page detention order.
Treisman pleaded not guilty to the three counts of child pornography earlier this month. He has not been charged with any crime related to gun possession. According to court documents, Treisman’s attorney noted he has been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.

The judge’s order first reported this week, though, reveals that federal agents also found a wealth of threats and alarming Internet postings by the suspect.

In October 2019, the feds say, Treisman created a note on his phone that outlined “a plan to perform a mass shooting at a mall food court on Christmas or Black Friday.” Posting on Reddit under the name AlextheBodacious, he referenced executing those he hated and stated that he was “going to do a columbine for a while, [but] I think it would better to put it towards something more memorable.”

A video taken from Treisman’s cellphone in April showed the teen driving by the Mandalay Bay Casino in Las Vegas and praising the 2017 massacre that killed 58 and injured more than 500 in what became the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. “That’s the one, that’s where they did it … nice,” he said, according to the order. Another cellphone video taken in April at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago featured a male voice suggesting that it would be “awesome” to hijack a plane and crash it into a building.

The 19-year-old’s focus on Biden started in the spring, according to the order. Between March and May, Treisman ran a number of Google searches linked to his plot against Biden, including queries on state gun laws and rifle parts. Days after Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) suspended his presidential campaign, Treisman, who had suggested in a Reddit post that he had to “save bernie,” posted a meme with the caption questioning whether he should kill Biden.

He did so from the meme-sharing platform iFunny, which has become a popular hub for White nationalists and far-right propaganda. Last year, another 19-year-old was arrested for posting a meme in which he threatened to “slaughter and murder any doctor, patient, or visitor” at an abortion clinic.

‘Stop me if you can’: Teen arrested for allegedly threatening ‘slaughter’ at abortion clinic

Judging by cellphone records and financial transactions, federal officials say Treisman made his way to within a few miles of the former vice president’s home in Delaware on May 3, the Daily Beast reported. Biden campaign spokesman Michael Gwin declined to comment to The Washington Post and referred questions on the matter to the Secret Service, which did not immediately return a request for comment.

In an interview with a Joint Terrorism Task Forces official, Treisman acknowledged having “an interest in terrorist incidents and mass shootings,” and said he consumed YouTube videos and Wikipedia articles about the tragedies. He described how he had “lost friends because of jokes he has made about mass shootings and the 9/11 terrorist attacks,” according to the order.

A cellphone photo of a doctored Polish passport and a rental agreement for an apartment in Canada suggested that Treisman had made tentative plans to leave the country, according to officials. The day after he was arrested, his mother told him in a jail call to “jump bail,” the order said.

Treisman is being held without bail. Judge Joe L. Webster, a federal magistrate in Durham, N.C., noted that while the teen did not have any prior criminal history, the court concluded that “the record establishes by clear and convincing evidence that no combination of available release conditions would reasonably assure the safety of the community.”

Neither federal prosecutors nor Treisman’s attorney immediately returned a request for comment early Friday.
 

hanimmal

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I think eventually they will have to do a study on how much of a impact that Trump rallies had with the coronavirus spreading as well as hateful events.

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EAST LANSING, Mich. — Only a trickle of voters were seen coming and going from the Hannah Community Center on Monday.
Inside, a serpentine rope line was set up, but largely empty. East Lansing City Clerk Jennifer Shuster said three out of four voters had probably already cast ballots, either at the start of early voting or through absentee voting.

But she suspects something else at play, too. Classes at Michigan State University are almost entirely online this fall; students may be voting in their hometowns instead of East Lansing, she said.

Meanwhile, at the South Washington Election Unit in Lansing, crowding was hard to avoid.

Signs instructed voters to stay six feet apart, but roughly two dozen people were observed crammed into a roughly 10-by-40-foot area, in some places scant inches apart rather than feet.

“We can encourage it, but we can’t force the voters” to distance, said Chris Swope, Lansing's city clerk.

Swope said best efforts were being made to protect the health of voters: In addition to strongly encouraging distancing, a door was propped open to keep a chilly breeze blowing through the hall. And just outside the door was a drive-through ballot drop-off station.

Some voters were forgiving. “I was able to keep my distance … it was a little maneuvering,” said William Wells, 39, a U.S. Department of Agriculture employee who lives in Lansing. “To me, this is unprecedented. A lot of things that are going on this year are brand-new. Yeah, they probably should have figured it out, but they don’t have anything to go off of. So I’m okay with them doing what they can now.”
 

hanimmal

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(Trump's photo-op with the white guy who did not own the place that was burnt down, after being turned down by the actual owner)

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KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — Early voters waiting in line at Kenosha’s municipal offices couldn’t miss the dozens of buildings still boarded up in this little lakefront city. They might have passed the post office with its covered windows, the plywood-fortified dinosaur museum or the barricaded jeweler, yoga studio or grocery store.

Many of these businesses are open, but they are also hedging their bets, covering up windows and sometimes building outer sets of plywood doors that can be easily shut, like castles pulling up their drawbridges, if trouble returns. With a divisive election just a day away, it’s no surprise they’re being careful.

Yet two months after street violence shook Kenosha, far more businesses have taken their plywood down. The music store is selling ukuleles again. Neighborhood taverns are serving cheap beer and good company. People are walking along the Lake Michigan waterfront, even if the winds are increasingly bitter.

Kenosha has been battered, but it’s certainly not defeated.

“This city is a lot stronger than people give it credit for,” said Anthony Kennedy, an African American alderman.

Greg Guthrie emerged from the municipal offices late last week and said he doubted the violence had shifted the political ground very much.

“I don’t think it’s changed anyone’s vote,” the 51-year-old mechanical engineer said. “But I think it’s probably increased the turnout.”

“It’s galvanized both sides” of the political divide, which he believes has only grown wider.

What happened in Kenosha and in other American cities during a summer of protests could be critical to the outcome of Tuesday’s presidential election in Wisconsin and other battleground states. For President Donald Trump and his law-and-order campaign, protests that skidded into violence show that only he can keep such unrest from spreading. But for African Americans, racial minorities and many Democrats, the killings of Black people by police officers, which set off most of the demonstrations, show that America is in desperate need of change.

The trouble in Kenosha began on Aug. 23, when a police officer, responding to a call about a domestic dispute, was seen on video shooting Jacob Blake repeatedly in the back at close range. Blake, a Black man, was left paralyzed from the waist down.

The shooting set off waves of protests , some of which turned destructive. Buildings and cars were set on fire and stores looted.

The violence spiked on Aug. 25, when two protesters were shot and killed and another was injured. Kyle Rittenhouse, a white 17-year-old who came to Kenosha that day with a semiautomatic rifle, is charged in the shootings.

Rittenhouse’s lawyers have called him a patriot acting in self-defense while defending the streets of Kenosha. If convicted, the teenager, who is from just across the state line in Antioch, Illinois, could spend the rest of his life in prison.

He was among a number of armed white men who came to Kenosha, saying they wanted to protect property during the unrest.

“As awful as the property damage was, and it was awful, it’s not as bad as taking lives,” said Kennedy, whose district includes the street where Blake was shot. “It wasn’t the left (who killed people). It wasn’t antifa. It was a white boy from Antioch who came to our town and killed two people.”

The August shootings have spurred political involvement in Kenosha, with the formation of activist groups and thousands of people signing up to vote.

“People are asking some very hard questions and demanding answers,” he said.

“The amount of voter apathy in our town is shocking,” Kennedy said. “But in September we had 4,000 new voter registrations” in surrounding Kenosha County, which has some 95,000 registered voters.

Those new voters could be politically potent.

Trump won Kenosha County in the 2016 elections by fewer than 300 votes, while the city of Kenosha went solidly for Hillary Clinton.

A city of about 100,000, Kenosha was once home to a huge Chrysler assembly plant that closed in 1988. Now Amazon distribution warehouses have become major employers.

Trump has made the violence in Kenosha and other American cities a key part of his reelection campaign, blaming Democrats and saying violence would spread if Democratic nominee Joe Biden defeats him.

“These are not acts of peaceful protest but, really, domestic terror,” Trump said in a visit to the city about a week after Blake was shot.

Trump is expected to hold a rally in Kenosha on Monday evening, hours before polls open, a sign of how important he sees law-and-order issues to his reelection.

A new poll from Marquette University Law School has Biden leading in Wisconsin with 48% of the support of likely voters, ahead of Trump with 43%. Those numbers that have changed little since the school’s polling in early September. However, the polls also show a jump in Trump’s approval numbers in Wisconsin since mid-June on how he handled the protests, rising from 30% to 40%.

Trump’s rhetoric infuriates Nathan Upham, a 23-year-old Kenosha activist who blames the president for not understanding the anger and frustration over racial injustice and police violence at the root of the protests.

“You’re painting this terrible picture of the real activism work that we’re doing,” he said. “It’s pretty much a slap in the face.”

Kenosha officials are concerned that armed civilians could descend on the city again if trouble emerges around the election, but they see no sign of it yet.

“I’m always going to be concerned about violence,” said Andy Berg, a member of the Kenosha County board of supervisors. “But at this point it’s all speculation.”

Sheriff David Beth has said people like Rittenhouse inflame the situation.

“They came in and their intention was to intimidate, to scare and create confrontation. And they did exactly that,” Beth said in an October interview with the Wisconsin radio station WTMJ. “And we had a 17-year-old who shouldn’t have been carrying an assault rifle through the streets of Kenosha ... I couldn’t have asked for a worse ending to that Tuesday night.”
 

hanimmal

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The red spray-painted letters were first spotted on Monday morning, scrawled on the tombstones in a century-old Jewish cemetery in Grand Rapids, Mich.

“TRUMP,” they combined to read across several headstones. Two more gravesites displayed another message in red graffiti: “MAGA.”

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This act of vandalism at Ahavas Israel Cemetery, discovered hours before President Trump arrived across town to stage his final rally of the campaign, has rattled the tightknit Jewish community in western Michigan’s largest city. The crime is being investigated by law enforcement officials, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

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Near the end of a bitter, divisive presidential campaign, the desecration marks yet another instance of political tensions apparently producing ugly and sometimes violent attacks. In Florida and the Berkshires, yard signs have been bulldozed and lit on fire. In Boston and Southern California, ballot drop-off boxes have burned to the ground. Across the country, dueling political rallies and protests have devolved into physical confrontations.

“Tensions are high, and everyone is on alert for all kinds of difficulties,” Carolyn Normandin, the ADL’s Michigan regional director, told The Washington Post. “But this in particular is heinous because it’s awful to know that somebody would disturb gravesites. It’s just not okay.”

While Normandin cautioned against labeling the incident as an act of anti-Semitism without more information, she called the incident “disgusting and vile.”

“It’s hard to know what is going on in the minds of anyone who would attack a gravesite,” she added. “It’s a personal attack on an individual who can’t do anything about it.”

We are appalled by the reported desecration of gravestones at the Ahavas Israel Cemetery in Grand Rapids, MI. We are in close touch with the Jewish community and Law Enforcement to investigate this vandalism. pic.twitter.com/mVeGrlsWxE
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The Ahavas Israel Cemetery, which belongs to a Conservative synagogue of the same name, sits in a leafy, residential part of Grand Rapids near Catholic, Lithuanian American and city-run graveyards. The 125-year-old Congregation Ahavas Israel is one of just a handful of synagogues in Grand Rapids, where the Jewish population totals about 1,000 people.

It has not been long since that community last faced a hateful attack. Last year, an extremist neo-Nazi group hung anti-Semitic posters on the outside of a nearby Reform synagogue, including one that read: “A crusade against Semite led subhumans.”

Nationally and statewide, reports of such attacks are also on the rise. More than 2,100 anti-Semitic incidents were reported to the ADL in 2019, up 12 percent from the previous year and setting a record since the organization began tracking the data four decades ago. Reports to the ADL of anti-Semitic incidents in Michigan doubled from 2018 to 2019, Normandin said.

The vandalism at Ahavas Israel Cemetery was first spotted around 8 a.m. Monday by a congregation member. At least six tombstones were defaced with the graffiti, Normandin said, and the incident was promptly reported to local law enforcement officials as well as her own organization.

Grand Rapids police did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Post.

David J.B. Krishef, the rabbi at Ahavas Israel, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency that it was unclear if the vandalism was an attack on the Jewish community.

“It’s Halloween weekend. There was nothing spray-painted that indicated anything specifically anti-Semitic,” he said. “Whoever did this may or may not have known that this was a Jewish cemetery."

But liberal groups were swift to seize on the incident.

“Make no mistake, this heinous act was committed on the eve of the 2020 election to send an intimidating message to the president’s opponents, and particularly, Jewish voters,” Michigan Jewish Democrats said in a statement, adding that such an effort would not keep them from the polls.

Hours after the vandalism was discovered, Trump arrived at Gerald R. Ford International Airport, speaking before a crowd of thousands of supporters in the Michigan suburbs that could prove decisive in this year’s election. In 2016, before he won the state by a razor-thin margin, Trump also staged his final campaign rally in Grand Rapids.

“I kept saying we have to finish off here,” he said. “We can be a little superstitious, right?”

Trump did not appear to address the incident at Ahavas Israel during the campaign event, and his campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment early Tuesday. By the time of the rally, several Michigan lawmakers had condemned the act at the cemetery.

“We stand united with our Jewish friends and neighbors against this disgusting act of vandalism, desecration, and hate toward our fellow human beings,” Rep. Justin Amash, a Libertarian from Michigan whose district includes Grand Rapids, wrote on Twitter Monday.

Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.), who is Jewish, said she was “deeply disturbed” by the incident, particularly given the sharp increase in anti-Semitic incidents in Michigan.

“Our system is brimming with tension, hate, and bigotry,” she said. “We’re at risk of it becoming normal. It’s never been more important to find a path forward.”
 

hanimmal

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You are not alone if you are in high-stress mode. That is the default setting for anyone who cares about politics, including the vast majority of Post readers. The outcome of a critical election — coupled with uncertainty in battleground states and memories of election night in 2016, which was frankly traumatic for many people — is going to make for some difficult hours and days. So here are some pointers that might help with the anxiety.

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First, stop looking at polls and predictions. From a statistical standpoint, many states are within the margin of error, so they often don’t tell you much. (Remember, a race polling at 52 percent for the Democrat and 48 percent for the Republican with a margin of error of three percentage points could have results ranging from a 10-point Democratic win to a two-point Republican win. Margins of error work both ways for both sides.) And really do not look to exit polls, which promise to be more iffy than ever given the number of early voters.

Second, remember that about 100 million Americans voted early with essentially no problems. There are some stray lawsuits, but votes have been cast and received. In states that allow ballots to be counted if they are cast before polls close but arrive after Election Day, that number will likely go up. Predictions of chaos and intimidation have not panned out. Election officials seem to have managed a once-in-a-lifetime bonanza of early voting due to covid-19 remarkably well. Democracy is working.

Third, also remember that, even if total turnout ends up being 150 million, two-thirds of votes are already in. Whatever votes are cast on Nov. 3 represent a significant minority of the vote. The Biden campaign estimated that in Florida, for example, 80 percent of the votes have already been received and processed.

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Those early voters are heavily Democratic in most places. If a state counts those first, former vice president Joe Biden may jump to a big lead before same-day, disproportionately Republican votes are tabulated. If a state counts early votes later, President Trump may jump to a lead before early votes are accounted for. In other words, you need to know where the votes came from and by what means they were cast to make sense of the returns.

Fourth, take note that there is no rule that says all votes must be counted by midnight. Or by Wednesday. Or by Friday. States ordinarily take days (or weeks, in places such as California) to count and certify ballots. Votes will be coming in for a long time. You have no alternative but to allow the voting to play out. That is how the system is supposed to work.

Fifth, what happens if Trump declares victory? Nothing. Declaring victory or conceding defeat has no legal significance. Trump may never admit he lost, but he cannot prevent a new president from being elected. States that are able to count early votes as they come in or well in advance of Election Day may have a substantial portion of the vote total to report soon after polls close. That means North Carolina, Georgia and Florida — to name just three — could have a large share of the vote counted well before bedtime on the East Coast. If Biden wins none of them, he still has a clear path to victory; if he wins one or more, Trump’s chances of winning go down dramatically, given that he is unlikely to win Michigan and Wisconsin, which he won in 2016.

Finally, rely on credible news sources such as The Post and the Associated Press’s decision desk to get reliable information about vote totals, number of votes outstanding and other critical data. States will not get “called” if both candidates still have a possible path to victory.

In short, the good news is most of the voting is done, and it has gone extraordinarily well. Trump and his minions do not control the outcome by pronouncing victory. Huge early voting tilting Democratic should be reassuring to Biden voters. Aside from that, just let election officials do their jobs. We will have a winner, but quite possibly not Tuesday night.
 

hanimmal

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I think eventually they will have to do a study on how much of a impact that Trump rallies had with the coronavirus spreading as well as hateful events.

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EAST LANSING, Mich. — Only a trickle of voters were seen coming and going from the Hannah Community Center on Monday.
Inside, a serpentine rope line was set up, but largely empty. East Lansing City Clerk Jennifer Shuster said three out of four voters had probably already cast ballots, either at the start of early voting or through absentee voting.

But she suspects something else at play, too. Classes at Michigan State University are almost entirely online this fall; students may be voting in their hometowns instead of East Lansing, she said.

Meanwhile, at the South Washington Election Unit in Lansing, crowding was hard to avoid.

Signs instructed voters to stay six feet apart, but roughly two dozen people were observed crammed into a roughly 10-by-40-foot area, in some places scant inches apart rather than feet.

“We can encourage it, but we can’t force the voters” to distance, said Chris Swope, Lansing's city clerk.

Swope said best efforts were being made to protect the health of voters: In addition to strongly encouraging distancing, a door was propped open to keep a chilly breeze blowing through the hall. And just outside the door was a drive-through ballot drop-off station.

Some voters were forgiving. “I was able to keep my distance … it was a little maneuvering,” said William Wells, 39, a U.S. Department of Agriculture employee who lives in Lansing. “To me, this is unprecedented. A lot of things that are going on this year are brand-new. Yeah, they probably should have figured it out, but they don’t have anything to go off of. So I’m okay with them doing what they can now.”
Turns out in the 376 counties with the highest # of new cover cases per capita, 93% voted for Trump.
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U.S. voters went to the polls starkly divided on how they see President Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic. But in places where the virus is most rampant now, Trump enjoyed enormous support.

An Associated Press analysis reveals that in 376 counties with the highest number of new cases per capita, the overwhelming majority — 93% of those counties — went for Trump, a rate above other less severely hit areas.

Most were rural counties in Montana, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa and Wisconsin — the kinds of areas that often have lower rates of adherence to social distancing, mask-wearing and other public health measures, and have been a focal point for much of the latest surge in cases.

Taking note of the contrast, state health officials are pausing for a moment of introspection. Even as they worry about rising numbers of hospitalizations and deaths, they hope to reframe their messages and aim for a reset on public sentiment now that the election is over.

“Public health officials need to step back, listen to and understand the people who aren’t taking the same stance” on mask-wearing and other control measures, said Dr. Marcus Plescia of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials.

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“I think there’s the potential for things to get less charged and divisive,” he said, adding that there’s a chance a retooled public health message might unify Americans around lowering case counts so hospitals won’t get swamped during the winter months.

The electoral divide comes amid an explosion in cases and hospitalizations in the U.S. and globally.

The U.S. broke another record in the 7-day rolling average for daily new cases, hitting nearly 90,000. The tally for new cases Thursday was on track for another day above 100,000, with massive numbers reported all around the country, including a combined nearly 25,000 in Texas, Illinois and Florida. Iowa and Indiana each reported more than 4,000 cases as well.

The AP’s analysis was limited to counties in which at least 95% of precincts had reported results, and grouped counties into six categories based on the rates of COVID-19 cases they’d experienced per 100,000 residents.

Polling, too, shows voters who split on Republican Trump vs. Democrat Joe Biden differed on whether the pandemic is under control.

Thirty-six percent of Trump voters described the pandemic as completely or mostly under control, and another 47% said it was somewhat under control, according to AP VoteCast, a nationwide survey of more than 110,000 voters conducted for the AP by NORC at the University of Chicago. Meanwhile, 82% of Biden voters said the pandemic is not at all under control.

The pandemic was considered at least somewhat under control by slim majorities of voters in many red states, including Alabama (60%), Missouri (54%), Mississippi (58%), Kentucky (55%), Texas (55%), Tennessee (56%) and South Carolina (56%).

In Wisconsin, where the virus surged just before the election, 57% said the pandemic was not under control. In Washington state, where the virus is more in control now compared to earlier in the year, 55% said the same. Voters in New York and New Hampshire, where the virus is more controlled now after early surges, were roughly divided in their assessments, similar to voters nationwide.

Trump voters interviewed by AP reporters said they value individual freedom and believed the president was doing as well as anyone could in response to the coronavirus.

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Michaela Lane, a 25-year-old Republican, dropped her ballot off last week at a polling site at an outdoor mall in Phoenix. She cast her vote for Trump.

“I feel like the most important issue facing the country as a whole is liberty at large,” Lane said. “Infringing on people’s freedom, government overrule, government overreach, chaos in a lot of issues currently going on and just giving people back their rights.”

About half of Trump voters called the economy and jobs the top issue facing the nation, roughly twice the percentage who named the pandemic, according to VoteCast. By contrast, a majority of Biden voters — about 6 in 10 — said the pandemic was the most important issue.

In Madison, Wisconsin, Eric Engstrom, a 31-year-old investment analyst and his wife, Gwen, voted absentee by mail in early October.

Trump’s failure to control the pandemic sealed his vote for Biden, Engstrom said, calling the coronavirus the most immediate threat the nation faces. He and his wife are expecting their first child, a girl, in January and fear “the potential of one of us or both of us being sick when the baby is born,” he said.

Engstrom called Trump’s response to the virus abysmal. “If there was any chance that I was going to vote for Trump, it was eliminated because of the pandemic,” he said.

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The political temperature has added to the stress of public health officials, Plescia said. “Our biggest concern is how long can they sustain this pace?” he said.

Since the start of the pandemic, 74 state and local public health officials in 31 states have resigned, retired or been fired, according to an ongoing analysis by AP and Kaiser Health News.

As the election mood dissipates, rising hospitalizations amid colder weather create “a really pivotal moment” in the pandemic, said Sema Sgaier, executive director of the Surgo Foundation, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit that worked with Harvard University-affiliated Ariadne Labs to develop a tool for estimating vaccine needs in states.

“We really need to get our act together. When I say ‘we’ I mean collectively,” Sgaier said. Finding common ground may become easier if one of more of the vaccine candidates proves safe and effective and gains government approval, she said.

“The vaccine provides the reset button,” Sgaier said.

Dr. Anthony Fauci may be another unifying force. According to VoteCast, 73% of voters nationwide approve of the way Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been handling the pandemic.

Even among Trump voters, 53% approve of Fauci’s performance. About 9 in 10 Biden voters approve.
 

potroastV2

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Turns out in the 376 counties with the highest # of new cover cases per capita, 93% voted for Trump.

Yep, anyone who is paying attention could predict that! Trump holds his super-spreader events, and all of the attendees then go around infecting other trump chumps. It's a modern method of relieving our society of many pea-brains.

The scientific explanation is called survival of the fittest. :eyesmoke:


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hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/09/risk-right-wing-terrorism-is-rising-dramatically/
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When Joe Biden is inaugurated in a little over a month, he’ll face an opposition that has convinced itself that the election was stolen from them, that the public health measures he encourages to get control of the coronavirus pandemic are a terrifying assault on their freedom, and that Biden and his party will literally attempt to destroy the United States.

We can’t know for certain how this era in our national life will play out. But the potential for a wave of right-wing domestic terrorism is absolutely real, and we ignore or dismiss it at our peril.
Even Republican politicians understand that the threat is moving beyond the realm of ordinary politics — primary challenges, letter-writing campaigns, the occasional angry voter at a town hall — to a place where people’s physical safety is at risk.

Consider this shocking comment from a Republican leader in the Pennsylvania state Senate, about a letter some of her colleagues sent to Congress demanding that their own state’s results in the presidential election be rejected:
Kim Ward, the Republican majority leader of the Pennsylvania Senate, said the president had called her to declare there was fraud in the voting. But she said she had not been shown the letter to Congress, which was pulled together hastily, before its release.
Asked if she would have signed it, she indicated that the Republican base expected party leaders to back up Mr. Trump’s claims — or to face its wrath.
“If I would say to you, ‘I don’t want to do it,’” she said about signing the letter, “I’d get my house bombed tonight.”
Perhaps she was exaggerating, but the fact is that this is what immediately comes to the mind of a loyal Republican in the midst of an election controversy: If I don’t support Trump’s insane claims of fraud, my own party’s supporters might kill me and my family.

And why would that be a foolish thing to worry about? All over the country we’re seeing conservative rage reaching right up to the line that separates activism from violence, as they vent their feelings about both the election and public health measures meant to contain the pandemic:

  • Heavily armed protesters surrounded the home of the Michigan secretary of state, after a plot to kidnap the state’s governor was thwarted.
  • Other secretaries of state who refused to steal the election for Trump have found themselves and their families threatened.
  • A prominent supporter of the president went on TV and said that a federal official who countered Trump’s false claims about voter fraud should be “taken out and shot.”
  • In Idaho, anti-mask protesters terrorized local officials’ families.
  • Public health officials all over the country have been threatened and harassed.
  • The American right made a hero out of a teenager who went to a protest and allegedly killed two people.
The situation right now is terrifying. And in a month it’s going to get much worse.

I say that because all this is happening while Donald Trump is still president. As panicked as his supporters are about losing power, he’s still in the White House and they can delude themselves into thinking he’ll find a way to stay there.

Think about the QAnon lunatics, for instance. The core of their story is not only that Democrats run a global conspiracy of satanic pedophile sex-trafficking cannibals, but that Trump is about to take the whole thing down. Whatever moment we’re in, it’s “the calm before the storm,” the storm being the day when Trump rounds up the conspirators.

If you’ve fallen down that rabbit hole, you can tell yourself that all you have to do is wait for the president to do what he has planned all along. But what happens when he leaves the White House without having demolished the conspiracy? How many of them will conclude that the villains have taken control and violent action to dislodge them is now necessary?

You can apply the same logic to the only slightly less-deranged worldview propagated every day not just on fringe outlets like OAN and Newsmax, but much of the time on Fox News as well. If you actually believed the lie they’re telling their audiences — that our democracy has been destroyed by a sinister conspiracy bent on dismantling America, outlawing religion and rounding up anyone who dissents — then violence would seem completely appropriate.

It would not be much of a leap to imagine yourself the equivalent of a resistance fighter in a Nazi-occupied country in World War II, taking up arms in the noblest of causes.


They’re going to keep getting this message from conservative media, for whom rage is the fuel that drives ratings and makes money. And while some Republican officeholders are too afraid to contradict the myth of a stolen election, other elite Republicans are literally telling people they should be willing to die for Trump.

To be clear, I’m not saying a substantial portion of Republicans will decide in January that politics has failed them once and for all and the only way to achieve their ends is through terrorism. But it won’t take a substantial portion. If just 1 in 100,000 of the people who voted for Trump came to that conclusion, you’d have an army of 740 domestic terrorists. How much death and chaos could they cause with a campaign of bombings and mass shootings?

Can anyone say that once they feel the sting of Trump leaving the White House, his most ardent supporters will say, “Man, that was a bummer. Oh well, that’s democracy — we’ll just try to win next time”?

Twenty years ago we lived through an extraordinary election controversy, and in retrospect one of the most remarkable things about it was how quickly everything calmed down. Despite the fact that the Supreme Court handed George W. Bush the presidency with the most dubious of rationales, Al Gore made a gracious concession, putting the good of the country over his own ambitions.

His supporters weren’t happy about the outcome, but they did not seek to destabilize American democracy — let alone engage in acts of terrorism. They weren’t steeped in a culture of violence, and the message they got from the leaders they trusted was to maintain the system and focus on the next election.

It would be nice if we could be so lucky this time. But it’s hard to believe we will.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Good post and a disturbing video, economic problems, coupled with preexisting conditions of racism and xenophobia and exacerbated by corrupt media and the internet. In Europe the hate speech and media are regulated, but the internet is increasingly negating that factor in Europe and Canada. Rightwing media and hate radio are fueling this in America more than other places, unregulated social media companies are making it worse everywhere.

Governments must suppress social division, they always have, they must foster social and national unity, sedition is illegal everywhere for a reason. They must use the tools of law and regulation to suppress falsehoods, we cannot have two separate realities, politics is about operating with the same set of facts. Alternative realities always end in war, be it politics or religion, everybody defends their version of the truth. If a broadcaster presents false information or a distorted narrative they need to be publicly brought to a FCC hearing the next day and put under oath, then questioned closely on the falsehood, next be ordered to broadcast their own testimony and an apology to their viewers. All the proceedings would be televised and conducted in accordance to the constitution and new law. There are solutions, you just need to attain power to create and apply them.

To use an example, say Hannity spouts a false narrative and distorts the truth, next day he gets a summons to appear before an FCC broadcast panel where he is placed under oath and asked to repeat what he said on TV, no fine or prison time, except for perjury. He can also be questioned closely about any where he tries to be clever with false narratives. Next the edited version (by the FCC staff) will be required to be played on his show, equal time. If he calls the procedures anti democratic against the 1st amendment and broadcasts it, then haul him in again under oath for another redo.

They used to have the equal time doctrine, but this is better, the government is not suppressing Sean's speech, in deed they are gonna broadcast what he says, under oath, so will CSPAN. If anything the government is helping Sean get his message out.
 
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