convince me led is worth it.

Dr.Nick Riviera said:

whatever, you're just another pissed off led fanboy and I just got off of restriction for dumping on you clowns

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Rahz said:

I went LED at the time because it was just as good as HPS (with right components) and I needed to fill a 34"x7' area which would have been awkward to try and fill with high wattage bulbs. Back then there were no retail cob lights so I made my own. I had a reasonable estimation of how efficient the emitters would be and thus was able to calculate how many par watts I would be able to deliver to the area.

In fact, I started with a goal, light intensity of around 15 par watts per square foot and then designed the lamp around that parameter. I enjoyed the process so much I started a small business based on it.

Why go LED? It's a light right? How much light do you want? If you buy something and that something is a light producing unit the prime consideration is how much light is being produced and how efficiently it is being produced. Watts in and watts out. Secondary consideration is maintenance cost.

LED lamps that deliver less than 42% efficiency are mostly worthless. Why buy a light that can't compete with the best bulbs out there? Unless of course you have an odd space like I did, but even then if you have a choice between a 30% efficient lamp, a 50% efficient lamp, and a lamp with unknown efficiency which would you choose?

Prices have come down but good LED isn't a cheap alternative to bulbs. If you purchase something cheaper than a 1000w bulb rig and expect it to perform as well as a 1000w bulb rig you will be disappointed. Currently LED cost compared to DE bulbs is about break even over a 4-5 year period. Not long ago this was true of SE bulbs. But it depends on several factors, material cost and efficiency. If you pay 2x for an LED that is only 5% more efficient than a DE bulb are you going to recoup that extra money over 5 years? Probably not.

If you're spending money, take the time to know what you're getting. If you want to purchase retail and the vendor/manufacturer doesn't or won't provide the details necessary to quantify how many par watts or PPF you're purchasing that's a good sign their product can't compete with bulbs. If you want to DIY, take the time to learn the basics so you can design the system with a specific PAR wattage goal, plan out a components list that will deliver that goal and then build it.

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:

whatever, you're just another pissed off led fanboy and I just got off of restriction for dumping on you clowns

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nc208 said:

People used to believe the Earth was flat, then someone came up with a new theory that it was in fact round. Sure enough you can imagine they had a hard time convincing everyone else they were wrong.

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CCCmints said:

You have to be kidding? What do you see wrong with those plants? Maybe you're knocking on them because it's a different grow style than you're used to. Those plants look healthy and produce. It's a fairly impressive picture really...Then again, we are talking LED vs HPS so of-course shit talking is to be expected. Y'all can stay stuck in the past lol the numbers don't lie. HPS isn't king anymore. Those capable and willing to do the research for LED come out on top. Lazy shit talkers who denounce LED stay where they are and fail to improve, fail to evolve.

With all the shit talking against LED and people who choose to use it, I'd be willing to put money on the idea that maybe these people just don't know how to do the research. I understand, it's not exactly simple or easy to do it right. But I ask of you folks, if you can't figure it out, just respect those who can and don't make an ass out of yourself shitting on a pic of someone's plants. I mean honestly, what kind of asshole even does that?

Still waiting on that technical argument in favor of HPS. Any shit talkers got one? Lol. I'm ready.

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:

every time I shit On you guys, I just get locked out because you are all so damn sensitive and don't like to hear the truth, so, go ahead and pump yourself up with your overpriced, over hyped, garage built street lights. I'm STILL over here getting 3 units a light with my gavita and my $95 a year bulb.

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key4 said:

Im only "shitting on a pic" because he was dick swinging with half dead plants . If it was a diary i wouldn't have sed anything. I do have manners.


The rest is irrelevant. Hps is shit, anybody who has grown with hps then cmh or led knows this.

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xX_BHMC_Xx said:

Ever heard of the flush?

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TheChemist77 said:

i grew w hps/mh for 20+ years,, a few years ago i bought the 315watt cmh, i was impressed. then i bought a few go green 100 watt citizen cobs,,
all i can say is buds directly under the cmh are bigger than buds directly under the cob. but my gram per watt has also increased combining led w cmh.. i never got more than 1.2 gpw w hps, mh, or both. now i average 1.5 gpw on every grow..

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:

I have said it for Years, EVERY time I do, you guys whine like little bitches and i get locked out of the thread. sorry, but my "mythical' 3 units is just your jealousy. the only people pushing cobs is the garage guys on riu

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:

cause I'm not playing that bullshit,again. look it up if you're so interested. the info is there.

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xX_BHMC_Xx said:

You're right, the info is there. The studys are available, the results are on this very website even. But you won't ever take the time to read them.


I built a light that, on a photon level, can easily compete with a 1000w hps for less than $600. While consuming almost 300w less power. Last I checked, that's roughly the cost of a gavita. I'm already ahead after only one year, on bulb savings alone. Plus I have more even coverage, and almost infinite spectral adjustability.


Now tell me specifically, in the most definite terms you can manage, why is your HPS a better choice?

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:

I GUARANTEE you did not build a better light than gavita in your garage, especially because 'you say so'
lmfao

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xX_BHMC_Xx said:

Ever heard of the flush?

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xX_BHMC_Xx said:

And what do you base that conclusion on? Do you know they specs of my light? Are you aware of the PPF that both lights produce? Have you done any testing to prove these claims? There is no possible way you could know that without seeing any of the data.

I guarantee you don't know enough about this stuff to make a valid argument. Especially because you say so.

Still waiting on some legitimate data btw.

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:

Keep telling yourself that, typical led fanboy with typical responses. People are still lined up to get gavitas. you people still have to "convince" others that your lights are cool,LMFAO

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CCCmints said:

He probably hasn't even grown before honestly...just a troll living in a fantasy.

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xX_BHMC_Xx said:

Of course people are still lining up for gavitas, they've been working fine for years. People are still lining up for incandescent bulbs for their homes too. No one is saying an HPS won't grow dank, they definitely will. There are simply more efficient ways of doing it. Just because you are ignorant of something doesn't mean it is not true.

Look man, you clearly don't want to understand, and I'm not here to educate you. Do the research for yourself, learn some math and science, and make your own conclusions. Or don't, whatever.

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