doingdishes
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don't forget the over $300K raised from donations
that $684k is what the court agreed to pay
Conroy getting paid...
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that $684k is what the court agreed to pay
TheRealDman
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That's what I mean, dude got PAID, so why does he need the donations?
buckets
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You guys got the right to grow and I know I asked and asked the members here to donate and many did not. Whether you like wilcox or not, whether you like conroy or toesaw or not, they led a fight and gave us a win. A big win. And now a few of you guys want to whine and complain? I donated $400. I'm not expecting any refund and I'd very much like it to roll forward on things like the 150 gram limit. I'm sure you can write to wilcox or conroys office and request that he do that...but man, the bitching and whining on here sometimes guys...you guys got the right to grow from that battle...c'mon...sometimes this negativity really gets me down here. The fights not over...we still need these lawyers...
The Hippy
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I donated back when. to the coalition and Conroy. Do we need to donate again? If yes...what is this for?
doingdishes
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what i'm pissed at with them is the fact that half the authorized patients got left out because he was cutting corners. he gave a lame duck defense because he didn't think he'd get paid. CONroy almost pulled out a few times because of money.
we won because the defense had no proof. look at the biker thing-they had to be part of the HA because they had a keychain. the fire guy Len Garis had never even been to a legal grow. the cop didn't have any real evidence. Phelan said none of the evidence was credible due to bias on both sides.
CONroy is out for $$ and that's it.
Wilcox is just a tool. not much there at all but he's the head for some reason.
buckets
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He's the head because he took the initiative and started raising money to get Conroy working on our cause. Like it or not that is the truth and I certainly give him huge credit for doing that. Yeah, so maybe conroy is a greedy man. What lawyers aren't? But how long have we been a member on roll it up and have talked about all the various programs? By now I would hope you guys would've got the negativity out of your systems and started to do positive things in your own way to help the cause locally or internationally. Anyway, I'm not your mother but c'mon guys, the whining and bitching here...for a moment I thought it was full of crying school girls. Do something guys that helps the cause and tell us what you did. Negativity is like an infection and it can destroy morale and happiness. Keep it in mind eh!
TheDizzyBizzy
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Wrong. What people, many who did donate- are asking is why all the money is going to the lawyer and what happens to all the money that the court ordered returned? People are understandable shocked that there are still 'fundraisers' for a lawyer who already apparently made over $600,000 off this case. Many of us did not realize this was all so he could get a retirement fund. This case funded by people with limited incomes, who are sick and incapacitated. The question is why are you distorting these legitimate concerns into people 'whining'?
As for your claim that they won us something. What did they win us? A temporary injunction? A fake new legal home grow system that no one can use and yet the lawyers won't challenge it without another million dollars from us? You don't seem to speak for patients. You seem to speak for those who milked us dry.
CannaReview
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Well I still haven't found a doctor... unless I want to pay $4K and even now apparently that one is hiding lol
cannadan
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some GP's are coming up to speed....mines taking course's and will be able to prescribe...
herself soon she told me. Wanted to know if I wanted to update my prescription....I said no thanks...
for now...still riding my pinks.....
She has come along way....sorta with my help...since I was the first to ask her...and back then...
she did not believe in mmj.....as medicine,.,,,,
will be interesting when I ask her for a monthly oil making script...requiring a min of 15.333 grams per day for a 30 day supply of oil....
not including vaped eaten or smoked yet.....so I will be asking for a 20 to 25 gram per day....
so we will see....
herself soon she told me. Wanted to know if I wanted to update my prescription....I said no thanks...
for now...still riding my pinks.....
She has come along way....sorta with my help...since I was the first to ask her...and back then...
she did not believe in mmj.....as medicine,.,,,,
will be interesting when I ask her for a monthly oil making script...requiring a min of 15.333 grams per day for a 30 day supply of oil....
not including vaped eaten or smoked yet.....so I will be asking for a 20 to 25 gram per day....
so we will see....
JungleStrikeGuy
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Buckets is pretty much right on the money. I know everyone here loves to hate lawyers for irrational reasons, and making up stories about Conroy 'cashing out' fits in with that pretty well.
His office is collecting impact statements over what the colleges are doing, he isn't 'cashing out' at all. Some people seem to indicate they won't even do that much because of how much they hate Wilcox, and that doesn't make you much better than Stephen Harper as far as letting your ideology rather than logic dictate your actions.
Costs are rarely awarded to the degree they were in this case, and I'm guessing it as because of how poorly the government presented themselves. Saying Conroy only took this case for a 'retirement fund' is beyond ridiculous. An award of costs, and even a win was never guaranteed. He wasn't billing the coalition for a long time, and many other lawyers would have probably dropped the case without being paid, I'm not really sure why people expect lawyers to work for free.
Wilcox has said he's stepping away from the coalition, so if you want to change things, contact them or get involved, send an impact statement to Conroy's office if you've been screwed over by a LP clinic, etc. No one is asking for another million dollars, it's easy to rant and make up stories, but harder to actually educate yourself and put aside mud slinging to achieve something. As far as the donations, I don't think the expectation was ever set that they would be returned if costs were awarded. If you think they should be, contact his office and/or the coalition, but calling people greedy on a message board probably isn't going to accomplish much.
I know you're probably just trolling, but the Allard precedent is good on a number of levels, and neither Phelan nor Conroy is responsible for how the ACMPR was implemented. Saying the legal team involved didn't win us anything is also beyond ludicrous. I've really given up on trying to reason with people on this issue though, if certain parties involved with the case said the sky was blue, I'm sure there'd be people willing to argue it wasn't.
WHATFG
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Conroy is the one who said he would need a millions dollars to do a.....hmmmm what was that...a "cadliiac" job....I understand what costs are...to say that that his billable hours would have exceeded those is probably not far from fact. Thanks for informing about Wilcox...that tempers my view somewhat...
doingdishes
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i don't care about him returning the money. the part i am pissed at is the fact that there are and were over half the patients left out because CONroy was lazy and use Beemish/Hebert as a "two-fer"-they needed change and had expired licenses. due to the fact their licenses were expired, any and all considerations for that plaintiff was thrown out so anyone with current paperwork but needed change was SOL. he needed to have one more Plaintiff with current paperwork but needed changes to have a lot less "Left Outs" in a FB post Kirk Tousaw admitted that was a mistake and should have been covered.
for someone as experienced and knowledgeable as he claims he is, how did he miss that?
he had impact statements so that exact situation as half the patients were in that situation.
he discontinued an appeal that he had a good shot at because he had the sympathy of the higher court. he went to an equal level judge who had no power to over rule. his claim was that he'd have to start over again....he was worried about costs so half of us got screwed. due to his decision to do that literally cost me thousands and thousands of dollars.
for that i should be happy? the evidence the Crown gave (OK and CONroy's witnesses too) was so flawed that it was dismissed and given no weight.
i think someone with far less cost per hour could have won.
he's gathering impact statements now and i really hope we get a better job on the new challenge but I'm not that hopeful.
TheDizzyBizzy
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Your argument is all obfuscation and misrepresentation. I'm not mad at Conroy for being a lawyer. Your excuses are weak. I'm simply pointing out he made out like a bandit. Because he did.
And on top of all that bullshit sundae, you put a nice little turd cherry about how much we've 'gained' from Health Canada's farce of a home grow system with $750 plants. What a joke you are. You don't speak for patients.
It's telling who comes out and defends these snakeoil salesman, and how they use the same deceptive methods. Slithery snakes.
JungleStrikeGuy
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Uh-huh, that's why you're using phrases like 'bullshit sundae' instead of refuting any specific points. Please continue, I find your flights of absurdity quite entertaining.
And for anyone not trolling, the end tally of the legal bill from a stream done this week seems to be in the area of 1.3M (Govt supposedly spent 1.2M).
doingdishes
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let's hope he sees more dollars for the next challenge and will do a better job.
hopefully the courts and the Feds will see tat we win these cases and maybe work WITH us instead of against. cheaper for all of us...except lawyers of course
CalyxCrusher
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They don't give a fuck unfortunately. They're playing with the House's money, so costs mean nothing to them.
Nadine Bews
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-106/page-35.html#docCont
Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106)
Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106)
- Award and payment of costs
400(7) Costs shall be awarded to the party who is entitled to receive the costs and not to the party's solicitor, but they may be paid to the party's solicitor in trust.
- Award and payment of costs
- SOR/2002-417, s. 25(F);
- SOR/2010-176, s. 11.
willieboy
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Look who crawled out from under the rock. More insanity to come ?