Colorado Med Growers, Unite

Pipe Dream

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure. I would imagine you can only grow as many plants as patients allows. You are basically just unloading your excess to them I would think. The laws are going to change I think were your going to have to grow the majority of your own MJ if your a dispensary so your best bet would probably just to have good deals and get more patients and selling to dispensaries what you can. I'm not sure but that's the way I see it.
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
I saw a thing on the news earlier today where some guy here in town took them through his grow in what looked to be one of those huge houses out in centennial, and this guy had the place just covered with plants. They turned it into one of those "It could be going on in your own neighborhood" kind of stories that's designed to scare the suburban parental types silly, and I can't help but wonder why the guy agreed to let them film his grow in the first place? Unless they fed him some sort of BS about doing a story that was sympathetic to MMJ and then screwed him I just can't understand the logic behind letting them in to flim.
 

cadence

Active Member
Yeah.. I hear about the dispensaries maybe having to grow there own mj... So much is going on with legislation, it will be interesting to see how the cards all end up falling.

The thing is my partners and I are not caregivers for anyone.. so technically we could only grow our 6 plants per person (3 flowering).

I am wondering if a contract with a dispensary would put us under their legal umbrella because they have enough patients to legally cover the size of grow we would be doing. Technically growing for them... everything is so gray.. Its just that I don't want to be trimming 100grand worth of bud and have LEO come knockin and tell me that I'm screwed. Know what I mean.. wow..

Yeah I heard about that interview with that guy and his crop that he had in his house... the stations intention is never what they tell the person being interviewed... the always spin it the way they want when it hits the airwaves.

I can't believe the guy even let the interview happen... saying he wants to be invisible.. yeah right.. well ya ain't now!

well anyways.. if anyone knows about growing by caregiver proxy for a dispensary under their umbrella of patients... please speak up! such a dilemma..

Oh yeah.. don't let my handle fool ya.. I'm a dude... bongsmilie peace
 

DannyGreenEyes

Well-Known Member
Just to let you guys know...best price I've found in town for Fox Farm soils is at Grow Your Own on Bellaire just 1/3 block south of Evans.

Ready for this? 1.5 cubic ft bag of Ocean Forest....








$13.63....wowzers!!!!!

Their prices are, on general, are 15% below msrp! Talking to the owner, their business model is quantity. The more they sell...the more discount they get from the suppliers. So their prices on almost everything are cheap, cheap, cheap.

Plus they are all really nice guys.
If 1.5 cubic ft bags are the smaller bags, Nics Nursery on Chambers in Aurora has FFOF for about $10. Nurseries generally have better pricing than grow stores. Not the city greenhouse off of Colfax, they're expensive too. But real nurseries like Nics has great pricing. Sand Creek Nursery on Smith just W of Airport Rd has decent prices too on soil, but not as good as Nic's. Sand Creek doesn't have as much for our kind of growing as Nic's either.

Oh, and Nics also has horticulturists on duty also, and they're great for getting answers to tough questions.
 

DannyGreenEyes

Well-Known Member
Yeah.. I hear about the dispensaries maybe having to grow there own mj... So much is going on with legislation, it will be interesting to see how the cards all end up falling.

The thing is my partners and I are not caregivers for anyone.. so technically we could only grow our 6 plants per person (3 flowering).

I am wondering if a contract with a dispensary would put us under their legal umbrella because they have enough patients to legally cover the size of grow we would be doing. Technically growing for them... everything is so gray.. Its just that I don't want to be trimming 100grand worth of bud and have LEO come knockin and tell me that I'm screwed. Know what I mean.. wow..

Yeah I heard about that interview with that guy and his crop that he had in his house... the stations intention is never what they tell the person being interviewed... the always spin it the way they want when it hits the airwaves.

I can't believe the guy even let the interview happen... saying he wants to be invisible.. yeah right.. well ya ain't now!

well anyways.. if anyone knows about growing by caregiver proxy for a dispensary under their umbrella of patients... please speak up! such a dilemma..

Oh yeah.. don't let my handle fool ya.. I'm a dude... bongsmilie peace
Not sure about growing more plants under the umbrella of a dispensory, but I kinda doubt it under the current laws.

But if you contact Greg at New Millenium he can increase your limit to 40 plants per license for just over $100 per license. He has a new location on Oneida just S of Colfax, literally right next door to the Fire House.
 

Cesaro

Well-Known Member
Federal drug-enforcement agents Friday raided the home of a Highlands Ranch man who a day earlier bragged in a 9News report about the large and profitable medical-marijuana-growing operation in his basement.
Along with the raid, Jeffrey Sweetin, the Drug Enforcement Administration's special agent in charge of the Denver office, sent a message to anyone involved in Colorado's increasingly profitable medical-marijuana industry.
"It's still a violation of federal law," Sweetin said. "It's not medicine. We're still going to continue to investigate and arrest people."


Agents at the scene Friday evening said the marijuana grower, Chris Bartkowicz, had been taken into custody. Jeff Dorschner, a spokesman for the U.S.
Attorney's office in Denver, said the grower would be held over the long Presidents Day weekend before a decision on charges is made Tuesday. "The U.S. attorney's office will review the evidence the DEA collected before we make a determination whether we will prosecute," Dorschner said.
DEA agents converged on the house Friday afternoon and, before leaving several hours later, removed dozens of marijuana plants in black plastic trash bags as well as numerous high-powered growing lights.
On Thursday night, 9News promoted a story about Bartkowicz's operation, and on Friday morning, Bartkowicz was featured in a 9News story posted to its website and published in The Denver Post. The story was to air on television Friday night. He told the station he serves as a caregiver to a number of medical-marijuana patients and hoped to turn a profit this year in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
"I'm definitely living the dream now," Bartkowicz told 9News.
One block from school
That story — coupled with the proximity of Bartkowicz's home to Sand Creek Elementary School, a block away — drew the attention of DEA agents.
A memo in October from Deputy U.S. Attorney General David Ogden said federal agents should not target people in "clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana." The memo led many in Colorado's medical-marijuana community to believe that federal agents would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries or growers.
But Sweetin said the memo does nothing to change federal law, which makes marijuana illegal, and instead mostly addresses treatment of medical-marijuana patients and small-scale growers.
"Prosecution of commercial enterprises that unlawfully market and sell marijuana for profit continues to be an enforcement priority of the department," the memo states.
Guidelines included in the memo to distinguish between lawful medical-marijuana operations and unlawful ones include whether the operations produce more plants or generate more money than state laws intend. Sweetin said those guidelines put much of Colorado's medical-marijuana industry in the crosshairs and that he has been gathering information on dispensary owners and their operations for months.
Risking arrest, jail time
"Technically, every dispensary in the state is in blatant violation of federal law," he said. "The time is coming when we go into a dispensary, we find out what their profit is, we seize the building and we arrest everybody. They're violating federal law; they're at risk of arrest and imprisonment."
Matt Brown, executive director of the pro-dispensary Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation, said Sweetin's statements are troubling. Brown argued that the federal memo's hands-off order covers everyone in compliance with their state's medical-marijuana laws, a group Brown said includes dispensaries in Colorado. Brown said Friday's raid highlights the need for lawmakers to create clear rules for how dispensaries should operate.
"All we're trying to do is follow the rules," he said.
Bartkowicz had talked to 9News about his efforts to keep a low profile and said he didn't think his neighbors knew about what he was doing inside his house. But several neighbors said Friday that they had suspicions after seeing activity late at night at the house and other puzzling activities.
"I think it's awful," neighbor Linda Palmer said of the marijuana-growing operation. "There's an elementary school right there."
 

Philo2

Active Member
Is there a massive shortage of MJ right now or what in CO???( not just top shelf but all meds???). I have been visiting a few dispensaries in the DENVER/CO SPRINGS area and most seem to be running low on the goods. I spoke to one dispensary owner yesterday in Denver and he was talking about the vendor shortage with all the new dispensary opening up. Are you guys running into the same problem or heard of this in your area??? What the hells going on???-----who's smoking all the shattttttttttttttttttt????????????damn!!!

So are any of these dispensaries still looking for medicine?

It has become impossible to get rid of stuff these day. There are dispensaries and folks on craigslist selling medicine for $200/ounce or less. The one dispensary I was dealing with now will only pay $600/quarter pound, that doesn't even cover costs.

Please list them if you know any looking.
 

growman09

Active Member
2400 a pound that should more then cover the cost to grow it this is why there is such a problem right now every one wants to get rich and charge out the wazzu this is supposed to be to help out the people that need it well when people want to charge 400 or more for an ounce this makes it impossible for some people to afford so they go back to pharmcies for pills because alot of insurances will pay for them or atleast give them a healthy brake on the price. If everyone would quit trying to "get rich" with this then they would leave it alone like they did for the first 7-8 years GROWERS NEED TO QUIT BEING SELFISH AND TRYING TO GET RICH. there is plenty of money in this buis. without ripping everyone off.
 

1stworks

Active Member
Federal drug-enforcement agents Friday raided the home of a Highlands Ranch man who a day earlier bragged in a 9News report about the large and profitable medical-marijuana-growing operation in his basement.
Along with the raid, Jeffrey Sweetin, the Drug Enforcement Administration's special agent in charge of the Denver office, sent a message to anyone involved in Colorado's increasingly profitable medical-marijuana industry.
"It's still a violation of federal law," Sweetin said. "It's not medicine. We're still going to continue to investigate and arrest people."


Agents at the scene Friday evening said the marijuana grower, Chris Bartkowicz, had been taken into custody. Jeff Dorschner, a spokesman for the U.S.
Attorney's office in Denver, said the grower would be held over the long Presidents Day weekend before a decision on charges is made Tuesday. "The U.S. attorney's office will review the evidence the DEA collected before we make a determination whether we will prosecute," Dorschner said.
DEA agents converged on the house Friday afternoon and, before leaving several hours later, removed dozens of marijuana plants in black plastic trash bags as well as numerous high-powered growing lights.
On Thursday night, 9News promoted a story about Bartkowicz's operation, and on Friday morning, Bartkowicz was featured in a 9News story posted to its website and published in The Denver Post. The story was to air on television Friday night. He told the station he serves as a caregiver to a number of medical-marijuana patients and hoped to turn a profit this year in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
"I'm definitely living the dream now," Bartkowicz told 9News.
One block from school
That story — coupled with the proximity of Bartkowicz's home to Sand Creek Elementary School, a block away — drew the attention of DEA agents.
A memo in October from Deputy U.S. Attorney General David Ogden said federal agents should not target people in "clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana." The memo led many in Colorado's medical-marijuana community to believe that federal agents would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries or growers.
But Sweetin said the memo does nothing to change federal law, which makes marijuana illegal, and instead mostly addresses treatment of medical-marijuana patients and small-scale growers.
"Prosecution of commercial enterprises that unlawfully market and sell marijuana for profit continues to be an enforcement priority of the department," the memo states.
Guidelines included in the memo to distinguish between lawful medical-marijuana operations and unlawful ones include whether the operations produce more plants or generate more money than state laws intend. Sweetin said those guidelines put much of Colorado's medical-marijuana industry in the crosshairs and that he has been gathering information on dispensary owners and their operations for months.
Risking arrest, jail time
"Technically, every dispensary in the state is in blatant violation of federal law," he said. "The time is coming when we go into a dispensary, we find out what their profit is, we seize the building and we arrest everybody. They're violating federal law; they're at risk of arrest and imprisonment."
Matt Brown, executive director of the pro-dispensary Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation, said Sweetin's statements are troubling. Brown argued that the federal memo's hands-off order covers everyone in compliance with their state's medical-marijuana laws, a group Brown said includes dispensaries in Colorado. Brown said Friday's raid highlights the need for lawmakers to create clear rules for how dispensaries should operate.
"All we're trying to do is follow the rules," he said.
Bartkowicz had talked to 9News about his efforts to keep a low profile and said he didn't think his neighbors knew about what he was doing inside his house. But several neighbors said Friday that they had suspicions after seeing activity late at night at the house and other puzzling activities.
"I think it's awful," neighbor Linda Palmer said of the marijuana-growing operation. "There's an elementary school right there."



wtf that shit not right!!!!!
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Federal drug-enforcement agents Friday raided the home of a Highlands Ranch man who a day earlier bragged in a 9News report about the large and profitable medical-marijuana-growing operation in his basement.
Along with the raid, Jeffrey Sweetin, the Drug Enforcement Administration's special agent in charge of the Denver office, sent a message to anyone involved in Colorado's increasingly profitable medical-marijuana industry.
"It's still a violation of federal law," Sweetin said. "It's not medicine. We're still going to continue to investigate and arrest people."


Agents at the scene Friday evening said the marijuana grower, Chris Bartkowicz, had been taken into custody. Jeff Dorschner, a spokesman for the U.S.
Attorney's office in Denver, said the grower would be held over the long Presidents Day weekend before a decision on charges is made Tuesday. "The U.S. attorney's office will review the evidence the DEA collected before we make a determination whether we will prosecute," Dorschner said.
DEA agents converged on the house Friday afternoon and, before leaving several hours later, removed dozens of marijuana plants in black plastic trash bags as well as numerous high-powered growing lights.
On Thursday night, 9News promoted a story about Bartkowicz's operation, and on Friday morning, Bartkowicz was featured in a 9News story posted to its website and published in The Denver Post. The story was to air on television Friday night. He told the station he serves as a caregiver to a number of medical-marijuana patients and hoped to turn a profit this year in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
"I'm definitely living the dream now," Bartkowicz told 9News.
One block from school
That story — coupled with the proximity of Bartkowicz's home to Sand Creek Elementary School, a block away — drew the attention of DEA agents.
A memo in October from Deputy U.S. Attorney General David Ogden said federal agents should not target people in "clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana." The memo led many in Colorado's medical-marijuana community to believe that federal agents would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries or growers.
But Sweetin said the memo does nothing to change federal law, which makes marijuana illegal, and instead mostly addresses treatment of medical-marijuana patients and small-scale growers.
"Prosecution of commercial enterprises that unlawfully market and sell marijuana for profit continues to be an enforcement priority of the department," the memo states.
Guidelines included in the memo to distinguish between lawful medical-marijuana operations and unlawful ones include whether the operations produce more plants or generate more money than state laws intend. Sweetin said those guidelines put much of Colorado's medical-marijuana industry in the crosshairs and that he has been gathering information on dispensary owners and their operations for months.
Risking arrest, jail time
"Technically, every dispensary in the state is in blatant violation of federal law," he said. "The time is coming when we go into a dispensary, we find out what their profit is, we seize the building and we arrest everybody. They're violating federal law; they're at risk of arrest and imprisonment."
Matt Brown, executive director of the pro-dispensary Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation, said Sweetin's statements are troubling. Brown argued that the federal memo's hands-off order covers everyone in compliance with their state's medical-marijuana laws, a group Brown said includes dispensaries in Colorado. Brown said Friday's raid highlights the need for lawmakers to create clear rules for how dispensaries should operate.
"All we're trying to do is follow the rules," he said.
Bartkowicz had talked to 9News about his efforts to keep a low profile and said he didn't think his neighbors knew about what he was doing inside his house. But several neighbors said Friday that they had suspicions after seeing activity late at night at the house and other puzzling activities.
"I think it's awful," neighbor Linda Palmer said of the marijuana-growing operation. "There's an elementary school right there."

saw it on ch 7 this morning, what an idiot for braggin about his grow!
did ya see that pile of lights in the yard? what a waste :roll:

should answer the question asked earlier about big commercial grows via verbal subcontracting with dispenseries???
 

dakin3d

Well-Known Member
IMHO, lastest news aside, it should still be possible for smaller dispensaries to stay in business regardless of the latest legislation that was just passed regarding the fact that dispensaries will have to grow 90% of their stash. This is an opportunity for the community to help each other out if they could draw up a legal bus contract between themselves (disp) and another grower, the two could actually become business partners. All it takes is for the contract that shows the legal terms and agreeance between the two parties in question to be in place, then one or the other would take up the name of the other's business (or a new name all together), form a partnership and your able to stay afloat. This all assuming that both (or more) parties have decent business practices to eventually become successful and that the DEA isn't knockin on your door. This is a pretty close net community, so I'm sure that all of the dispensaries that anticipate having this problem know someone out there that they could count on for high quality product. If not, there are some here... Cheers, dak
 

KenWood

Active Member
Guys like "Chris Bartkowicz" needs to be locked up. He is only create problems for us who do need the medicine side. We need more guys like this one.

http://www.phoenixtears.ca/make.php

also this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw&feature=PlayList&p=E4CECCD85282A28A&index=0

Guys like Chris is going to get our meds taken away. I was in a Dispensory yesterday and there was 4 kids in there oldest was maybe 21 youngest about 18. They was waiting on the Doc, and they kept talking about when they get their cards they are going to be partying all the time. They all was saying they had back problems. Yeah RIGHT hell one was bending over tieing his shoes not once did he act like he was in pain. So I asked what caused the back pain and they said that they was told to tell the doc that by some of their friends who got their cards. That is crap, and I told them that and why do they want to F@#K thing up for us who really need it. I am just tired of everyone with the lame ass excuses. Also after I got my meds I told the owner I was not going to come back and I was letting some others know about what I heard and seen. He went to the Doc and told him that if those kids dont have records to throw them out. He is for the people who need meds not party people.
I am a biker that has a jacked up back from riding, my knees are shot and my hands hurt from beating the crap out of dumbass people. I have all kinds of medical records of this and all the pills the Docs wants to push on me. I NEED MY MEDS. So to ALL you "Chris's" out there quit F@#king around with my life. If you want I'll give you a place to meet so we can talk about it.
Sorry guys for this whinning but it ticks me off, cause of dumbasses.
 

MileHIGHclub101

Well-Known Member
So are any of these dispensaries still looking for medicine?

It has become impossible to get rid of stuff these day. There are dispensaries and folks on craigslist selling medicine for $200/ounce or less. The one dispensary I was dealing with now will only pay $600/quarter pound, that doesn't even cover costs.

Please list them if you know any looking.

Try Virginia High Times reports selling shit there at 800 on oz are you fucking kidding me a quick trip to virginia and we could be rich
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
Not sure if this is true or not, but it's what I've been told by a commercial grower from up in the mountains that's supposed to be pretty dialed in on whats been happening legally. He's saying that the state courts are fining the Fed's when they bust someone who has all their paperwork in order if the person takes it to court, and it's costing the Fed's 5k per plant seized. Like I said, I don't know if it's true, and I don't have any documentation on it, but his information has been pretty accurate in the past.
 

doogleef

Well-Known Member
State judges have no authority to fine federal agencies.

What this comes from are the cases where state police have destroyed legal crops and been sued for 2000$ per plant (under appeal, not paid). State not fed.
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
Thanks Doog,

I thought something sounded a little odd about what he was saying, but since I couldn't find any documentation I wasn't sure what to think. His information is usually fairly accurate, but he sometimes misses the details like that. He was also pretty toasted when we talked last night, so that might have had something to do with it. :)

Has anything new come down about the whole plant count issue yet? Has there been any kind of ruling that has settled whether or not you can grow more then 6 with a Dr's recommendation? I know it was discussed a bit a month or so ago, but haven't heard anything about it since.
 

artofscience

Active Member
this is all so silly. with only 6 plants per patient, and 5 patients per caregiver, you can still grow at LEAST 25 lbs annually, if you tie your plants, use 1000 watts, and have good ventilation. even if medicine got down to a G per lb, like in Cali, that's still bare minimum 25k and without a degree or a ton of investment capital, I'm not going to be making that anywhere else (much less as a happy farmer) :)
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
Art,

I'm not a caregiver, so I'm limited to my own plant count. The 6 plant limit makes it very, very difficult for an individual to grow enough to meet their own needs because there is virtually no margin for error. One plant dies or has a bad harvest and you have no choice but to go to the dispensary for your meds until the next crop comes in, and a lot of us can't afford those prices. It also makes it pretty much impossible to keep mother plants and do your own clones, since technically the rooting clones are vegetative plants. Think about it- if you keep one mother and take two cuttings off her you are now at your limit for vegetative plants, and what are the odds that both cuttings are going to develop perfectly every time?

I know some people disagree, but I think the basic plant count needs to be increased to at least 10. The possession limit also needs to be changed so that people can harvest, cure and store their own without worrying about being hassled just because their plant yielded more then the 2oz limit. Do you really want to be forced to throw perfectly good bud away just because your plant decided to give you a yield of 3oz on this grow? Or because one of your plants is ready to harvest early and you haven't finished smoking the yield from the last harvest?
 

t.rex.

Member
If 1.5 cubic ft bags are the smaller bags, Nics Nursery on Chambers in Aurora has FFOF for about $10. Nurseries generally have better pricing than grow stores. Not the city greenhouse off of Colfax, they're expensive too. But real nurseries like Nics has great pricing. Sand Creek Nursery on Smith just W of Airport Rd has decent prices too on soil, but not as good as Nic's. Sand Creek doesn't have as much for our kind of growing as Nic's either.

Oh, and Nics also has horticulturists on duty also, and they're great for getting answers to tough questions.
Grow Your Own has 2 cu. ft.(which are the large) bags of FFOF and FFHF for around $13.50. Budsworth II and i were there last week and they were out of FFHF large bags, so BW II got the last small bag they had and it was like $3.50! They do have piles of FFOF, but FFHF is my choice any day, and BW II needed it for seedlings. NO ONE comes close to these silly prices, at least at the numerous establishments i have visited.

FFOF comes in 1.5 cu. ft. bags, and FFHF comes in 2 cu.ft. bags
 

MileHIGHclub101

Well-Known Member
no lets just put at a weight limit... if you have the clones and they aren't vegged for very long and you immediately flower (like ive seen so many times on here) you get little autoflower looking ones that aren't producing that much, but could be considered one plant now if you had a sea of green with like 10 clones in a bucket growing and did the same thing you might get as much as you would if you grew and vegged for a month longer....different plants depending on how they are grown will produce different amounts of product (Hell my brother in cali has a few afghans that grow outside that produce at the minimal he says at least 2 pounds a plant things are like 9 foot tall huge bushes) all im saying is it shouldn't be determined by plant but by total weight your allowed... it might be harder to regulate saying yeah i have this much but most is still curing so its unusable so it doesn't count right now
 
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