CAN FEMALE PLANTS PRODUCE SEEDS WITHOUT POLLENATiON?

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greenfean420

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Ahh this is happening to me. I have two strains going right now and one has started to produces seeds (week7). I have looks like crazy for signs of herming but i see nothing.

The other strain has no signs of seeds but it has me worried. Should i finish it up sinces its so late or should i cut them so there isnt a risk of spreading??
 
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growone

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greenfean420 said:
Ahh this is happening to me. I have two strains going right now and one has started to produces seeds (week7). I have looks like crazy for signs of herming but i see nothing. The other strain has no signs of seeds but it has me worried. Should i finish it up sinces its so late or should i cut them so there isnt a risk of spreading??
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i see this result posted often enough, so it's hard to ignore
if there are hermie nanners around, both plants should have seeds
MJ is not supposed to have 'immaculate' conceptions, but i'd be hard put to explain a deal like this any other way
 
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Rcslater30

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Well I was looking this up cause my female that showed no sign of herm. Just produced one seed that I know of so far in about 1/2lb harvest. I have been smoking it and was just about to order me some more auto female seeds of that strain. It was in a sealed room no way it was pollinated. And did not have herm anywhere on it. I guess the Virgin Mary if sour berry kush has been born
 
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Rcslater30

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growone said:
i see this result posted often enough, so it's hard to ignore
if there are hermie nanners around, both plants should have seeds
MJ is not supposed to have 'immaculate' conceptions, but i'd be hard put to explain a deal like this any other way
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I just did have been growing same seeds and strain for 3 yrs and just got 1 seed out of the main cola of my last grow. Never seen a seed before. Sealed room. No Hermès. Just 1 seed all by itself. Out of half lb
 
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Rcslater30

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xtsho said:
The plant must have developed a hidden nanner that you didn't see. It's impossible for a seed to form without being pollinated in some way.
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Ya I guess if one seed formed without me knowing then one pistol could too. I just thought that was all you needed and whole olant would be fertilized. To just have one lonely seed is weird IMO something crazy is going on
 
Hust17

Hust17

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Rcslater30 said:
Ya I guess if one seed formed without me knowing then one pistol could too. I just thought that was all you needed and whole olant would be fertilized. To just have one lonely seed is weird IMO something crazy is going on
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It’s the Virgin Mary bean, don’t let that guy tell you otherwise!! ;)

Start a grow log!!
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Rcslater30 said:
Ya I guess if one seed formed without me knowing then one pistol could too. I just thought that was all you needed and whole olant would be fertilized. To just have one lonely seed is weird IMO something crazy is going on
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The only way the whole plant would be fertilized is if every pistil was pollinated. Each pistil would have to have a separate grain of pollen land on it.
 
Barristan Whitebeard

Barristan Whitebeard

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Rcslater30 said:
Well I was looking this up cause my female that showed no sign of herm. Just produced one seed that I know of so far in about 1/2lb harvest. I have been smoking it and was just about to order me some more auto female seeds of that strain. It was in a sealed room no way it was pollinated. And did not have herm anywhere on it. I guess the Virgin Mary if sour berry kush has been born
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How many weeks did this strain flower for?
Look up rodelization. There is a good chance that's what happened here.
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Blacktophat said:
it is totally possible for unpollinated buds to produce seeds. certain genetics do that as a last hope to reproduce. ive read/seen it in tons of grow videos and books. cant recall them of course. i will if i think of it.
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growone said:
in plants, it's called Apomixis, and it is virgin birth, so strange
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actialky its quite valid way of reproduction for some dicolyt plants , and both these posters are right.

you can easily read about that on wikipedia Apomixis et al
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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I laughed so much when in an interview on miniseeds that Bedrocan guy said "we filter our air intake so we cant have seeds"... so theyre growing professionally but lack general knowledge about plant physiology...
 
Aussieaceae

Aussieaceae

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Apomixis is a new term to me. Thanks for the reference, something new to look into lol.

Did some digging, found an interesting page.
They have a list with known plants and the cannabis family is one of them.


To clarify it seems to be regarded as asexual reproduction.
It would seem sexual counterparts can't do the same thing.
It would also seem to be relatively rare. Most commonly observed in large populations.

It's a bit to decipher, might be wrong, but it's how it reads.

Tempting to reveg such a plant, to see if it does the same again. Would be a cool thing to test.

Edit: imho chances are pollen got it somehow. Chances are too high, but you never know.
 
CanadianJim

CanadianJim

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HapaHaole said:
ah ha ha LUV IT!

Jesus Weed!

I have read it every where (because I have been searching for answers), all over the internet, Ed's book, here at RIP re: Females that throw a few seeds at the end of their life cycle.

One thing NO ONE says is, "what to do about it".

Take 'em early to preserve what potency is there before they put more energy in to seeding? (if that even matters at this stage)
or...
Leave 'em alone to finish (mine has about 6-13 days left)?
or...
anyway, I can't find that part. Glad you guys posted here tho so TY! :)
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As far as I can tell seeds don't negatively effect potency, especially just a couple. If you remove the seeds it should smoke just fine. Just a few seeds at the end of flowering shouldn't effect yield either.
I would let them finish.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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brick20 said:
tis,tis,tis.........

There is always an exception my friend.......The VIRGIN MARY
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Lets not get into the religious dogma here.

brick20 said:
tis,tis,tis.........

There is always an exception my friend.......The VIRGIN MARY
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NO!
Not without chemical intervention in ways that anybody basically outside of an AG lab can reproduce.

growone said:
in plants, it's called Apomixis, and it is virgin birth, so strange
you'll get an identical genetic twin to the parent, some plants do this, not sure about MJ
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Naturally? Not for the most part, and the result is very undesirable.

In a lab environment? Yes, by manipulation of specific Nucleic Acids through exposure/introduction.
Not a viable method in the "public" domain...

billybob420 said:
No.

No pollen no seeds. Pollen can come from the female though.
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I'm not laughing here!
Correct!

Through stress or chemical intervention. You can have a plant reproduce almost 100% Female beans.
About 1:3000 will be male. This male will produce real balls, and be viable at a normal % rate.

Sometimes called "super males".

HapaHaole said:
ah ha ha LUV IT!

Jesus Weed!

I have read it every where (because I have been searching for answers), all over the internet, Ed's book, here at RIP re: Females that throw a few seeds at the end of their life cycle.

One thing NO ONE says is, "what to do about it".

Take 'em early to preserve what potency is there before they put more energy in to seeding? (if that even matters at this stage)
or...
Leave 'em alone to finish (mine has about 6-13 days left)?
or...
anyway, I can't find that part. Glad you guys posted here tho so TY! :)
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Um, partly right.

Ed didn't tell you that it's due to unseen nanners! NO "spontaneous virgin seeding"!

DON'T harvest early! You are not "preserving" any potency. Hasn't even gotten to the real potency potential yet!

Leave them alone - YUP!

This was for clarity, not trying to dis you in any way!
 
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Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Aussieaceae said:
Apomixis is a new term to me. Thanks for the reference, something new to look into lol.

Did some digging, found an interesting page.
They have a list with known plants and the cannabis family is one of them.


To clarify it seems to be regarded as asexual reproduction.
It would seem sexual counterparts can't do the same thing.
It would also seem to be relatively rare. Most commonly observed in large populations.

It's a bit to decipher, might be wrong, but it's how it reads.

Tempting to reveg such a plant, to see if it does the same again. Would be a cool thing to test.

Edit: imho chances are pollen got it somehow. Chances are too high, but you never know.
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Sigh.
Let me explain this in terms you can understand vs What that paper states in scientific lingo.

Yes it happens and cannabis is one Genus that it can happen in (humans too but, a note on that later).

This is in general considered a mutation. It results in "POLY" offspring. This is so "F"ing rare in cannabis, that I have only once, actually seen a "poly" cannabis plant. That was the result of a chemical exposure of a Nucleic Acid or a chemical that mutates the actual gene's in the nucleus of cells.
I'm not listing this chemical, as it's highly toxic. It generally results in non viable or only very short term living plants. It can, and does, get a few that live out, a slow and tedious life.
They do NOT result in higher THC production or higher yields.

In nature, such a "mistake" in reproduction. Will for by far the most part, result in none viable offspring that die early or are still born (as is the case in human's with this "poly" genetic mutation (Humans can NOT have "virgin birth's" in any way shape or form). Please do not bring up religion here. Even if the child is born alive. It dies in minutes!

What I'm saying is that in cannabis, this is as rare as hen's teeth.
You can make it happen with a chemical AND all results, either by nature or by chemical. The result is a "poly" plant that will not do well. Looks pretty but, basically useless!
 
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conor c

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Dr. Who said:
Sigh.
Let me explain this in terms you can understand vs What that paper states in scientific lingo.

Yes it happens and cannabis is one Genus that it can happen in (humans too but, a note on that later).

This is in general considered a mutation. It results in "POLY" offspring. This is so "F"ing rare in cannabis, that I have only once, actually seen a "poly" cannabis plant. That was the result of a chemical exposure of a Nucleic Acid or a chemical that mutates the actual gene's in the nucleus of cells.
I'm not listing this chemical, as it's highly toxic. It generally results in non viable or only very short term living plants. It can, and does, get a few that live out, a slow and tedious life.
They do NOT result in higher THC production or higher yields.

In nature, such a "mistake" in reproduction. Will for by far the most part, result in none viable offspring that die early or are still born (as is the case in human's with this "poly" genetic mutation (Humans can NOT have "virgin birth's" in any way shape or form). Please do not bring up religion here. Even if the child is born alive. It dies in minutes!

What I'm saying is that in cannabis, this is as rare as hen's teeth.
You can make it happen with a chemical AND all results, either by nature or by chemical. The result is a "poly" plant that will not do well. Looks pretty but, basically useless!
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You talking about Colchicine treatment or?
 
Aussieaceae

Aussieaceae

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Dr. Who said:
Sigh.
Let me explain this in terms you can understand vs What that paper states in scientific lingo.

Yes it happens and cannabis is one Genus that it can happen in (humans too but, a note on that later).

This is in general considered a mutation. It results in "POLY" offspring. This is so "F"ing rare in cannabis, that I have only once, actually seen a "poly" cannabis plant. That was the result of a chemical exposure of a Nucleic Acid or a chemical that mutates the actual gene's in the nucleus of cells.
I'm not listing this chemical, as it's highly toxic. It generally results in non viable or only very short term living plants. It can, and does, get a few that live out, a slow and tedious life.
They do NOT result in higher THC production or higher yields.

In nature, such a "mistake" in reproduction. Will for by far the most part, result in none viable offspring that die early or are still born (as is the case in human's with this "poly" genetic mutation (Humans can NOT have "virgin birth's" in any way shape or form). Please do not bring up religion here. Even if the child is born alive. It dies in minutes!

What I'm saying is that in cannabis, this is as rare as hen's teeth.
You can make it happen with a chemical AND all results, either by nature or by chemical. The result is a "poly" plant that will not do well. Looks pretty but, basically useless!
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Well please excuse me for not knowing scientific lingo, not my background or vocabulary at all. My interpretation was false.
I understand how extremely rare they suggest it is.

The context of the paper is confusing to me. Because it doesn't seem to specify whether they are refering to a plant or seed. Neither I guess.
The polyploidy seems to be formation of the seed only, but the parent plant's own sexuality is facultative, not natural?

This was intriguing to me, because of the correlation between Apomixis, environmental conditions and geographical areas.
For me it was the closest thing to Rhodelization theory I've seen so far.

I'd also consider myself atheist, so hassle someone else about that other crap. Has nothing to do with anything I asked or said.

Please, if you have any further reading material regarding apomictic plants, I'd appreciate if you can point me in the right direction.

Thanks for your reply.
 
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