Califonia is CLOSED

dragonbud · Feb 18, 2009

I don't have beef about CA it's just what the subject line of this post is. I actually like CA quite a bit. CA is just an example of what can go wrong if you go to far to one extreme. All Americans are in for a rude awakening when it comes to lifestyle changes, Californians are just on a higher perch to fall from. If you have an expensive lifestyle, 4 k mortgage payment, and you lose your 75 k a year job, it's hard to keep it all together upon loss of employment.

gogrow said:
this isnt just cali... its all of america.. cali has just always been on the forefront of the rest of our trends; be it political or social... your beef shouldnt be with one state, but rather the whole govt

gogrow · Feb 18, 2009

dragonbud said:
I don't have beef about CA it's just what the subject line of this post is. I actually like CA quite a bit. CA is just an example of what can go wrong if you go to far to one extreme. All Americans are in for a rude awakening when it comes to lifestyle changes, Californians are just on a higher perch to fall from. If you have an expensive lifestyle, 4 k mortgage payment, and you lose your 75 k a year job, it's hard to keep it all together upon loss of employment.

got cha... but if you are a poor bastard scrapin by... you wont notice the change too much ;-)

Big P · Feb 19, 2009

wanna see smothin scary

Debt Growth Chart

The above debt summary table is as of year end 2007. Excluding unfunded mandates, this chart shows >> - - total debt (private and government) is $53 Trillion ($11.4 trillion governments, $41.6 private sectors) - - equivalent to $$175,154 per person (including those in diapers) - - which is equivalent to $700,616 per family of 4, and $33,781 more per family than last year.
This chart, from the chapter 'America's Total Debt Report', shows the trend of that $48 trillion debt (red line) - - soaring up and up much faster than the economy (blue line).

If we include several un-funded liabilities then total debt (private plus government) is $117.1 Trillion - - equivalent to $386,091 per person - - which is equivalent to $1.5 million per family of 4.
Total debt of $53 trillion is 470% of net national income - a record high ratio - - indicating an economy more debt-dependent than ever. Each year more debt is needed to produce a dollar of national income than the prior year - - a type of 'negative productivity.'

Zooming debt - - negative real savings - - soaring trade deficits > > very troubling trends !!

god speed, better stack you chips then change em out to gold or other invesments like homes before the hyper inflatrion (back door tax) kicks in.

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fdd2blk · Feb 19, 2009

Big P said:
wanna see smothin scary

Debt Growth Chart

The above debt summary table is as of year end 2007. Excluding unfunded mandates, this chart shows >> - - total debt (private and government) is $53 Trillion ($11.4 trillion governments, $41.6 private sectors) - - equivalent to $$175,154 per person (including those in diapers) - - which is equivalent to $700,616 per family of 4, and $33,781 more per family than last year.
This chart, from the chapter 'America's Total Debt Report', shows the trend of that $48 trillion debt (red line) - - soaring up and up much faster than the economy (blue line).

If we include several un-funded liabilities then total debt (private plus government) is $117.1 Trillion - - equivalent to $386,091 per person - - which is equivalent to $1.5 million per family of 4.
Total debt of $53 trillion is 470% of net national income - a record high ratio - - indicating an economy more debt-dependent than ever. Each year more debt is needed to produce a dollar of national income than the prior year - - a type of 'negative productivity.'
Zooming debt - - negative real savings - - soaring trade deficits > > very troubling trends !!

god speed, better stack you chips then change em out to gold or other invesments like homes before the hyper inflatrion (back door tax) kicks in.

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gold is pushing a grand an ounce. i remember when it was 300. damnit. :wall:

medicineman · Feb 19, 2009

So come-on Big P, what does this mean to the average guy trying to support his family? Thats right, not much. He is too scaired he might be unemployed or is already unemployed to care one iota about the national debt. I say, fuck-em. Nationalize the debt and cancel it. Start over with a central government owned and capitalized bank that gets small banks started and obligates them to pay back their start-up money before one dime is payed to investors. Eliminate the FED as a private bank, and print our own money. Now I'm far from being an economist, but I surely know when I'm getting screwed, and this banker bailout is the real fucking we are getting. The other stimulus package, although pricey, may actually help create jobs and keep people working. If you are a steel worker that is about to run out of unemployment and a new project will be started in your area, putting you to work, wouldn't you consider the stimulus package a good thing? Hell yeah, you and thousands like you are about to get a boost, which will boost the retail stores around you etc. Banker bailout bad=stimulus good!

Big P · Feb 19, 2009

medicineman said:
So come-on Big P, what does this mean to the average guy trying to support his family? Thats right, not much. He is too scaired he might be unemployed or is already unemployed to care one iota about the national debt. I say, fuck-em. Nationalize the debt and cancel it. Start over with a central government owned and capitalized bank that gets small banks started and obligates them to pay back their start-up money before one dime is payed to investors. Eliminate the FED as a private bank, and print our own money. Now I'm far from being an economist, but I surely know when I'm getting screwed, and this banker bailout is the real fucking we are getting. The other stimulus package, although pricey, may actually help create jobs and keep people working. If you are a steel worker that is about to run out of unemployment and a new project will be started in your area, putting you to work, wouldn't you consider the stimulus package a good thing? Hell yeah, you and thousands like you are about to get a boost, which will boost the retail stores around you etc. Banker bailout bad=stimulus good!

medi what my chart means is america is going to collapse on itself. but great glad your steel worker will have a job untill it collapses.....

what happens when you have a bucket of water with a hole in it? you are pouring water in as the water falls out the hole.

what happens when more water pours out of the hole than you are putting in medi?

you end up with an empty bucket. however once our bucket gets empty we still have to pay for all the extra water we borrowed cuz we kept foolishly carving the hole bigger. then we borrowed more water, then we made the hole bigger again. just so your steel worker can get a shitty little sip, instead of rashioning it, everyone gets a sip

they give everyone a sip because they dont want to be fired from being the bucket master

bucket master keeps carving the hole bigger to keep his sippers happy. he borrows more and more water to throw in the bucket and carves the hole bigger to keep his precious sippers happy

when the bucket is emtpy the bucket master will leave. and all the people will die of thirst.

a dog will eat itself to death if you let it

and a humans will destroy themselves if you let them

would you cut 5 trees down to save a forest. or would you let them all just live for just a lil bit longer untill whole forest is destroyed

SACRIFICE or die, even the natives new that

misshestermoffitt · Feb 19, 2009

The whole country is going to shit, CA is just ahead by a nose.

fdd2blk · Feb 19, 2009

we're reopened.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123503429614220905.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

misshestermoffitt · Feb 19, 2009

It makes me think of Vacation "what if you got to Florida and Florida was closed?"

medicineman · Feb 19, 2009

Big P said:
medi what my chart means is america is going to collapse on itself. but great glad your steel worker will have a job untill it collapses.....

what happens when you have a bucket of water with a hole in it? you are pouring water in as the water falls out the hole.

what happens when more water pours out of the hole than you are putting in medi?

you end up with an empty bucket. however once our bucket gets empty we still have to pay for all the extra water we borrowed cuz we kept foolishly carving the hole bigger. then we borrowed more water, then we made the hole bigger again. just so your steel worker can get a shitty little sip, instead of rashioning it, everyone gets a sip

they give everyone a sip because they dont want to be fired from being the bucket master

bucket master keeps carving the hole bigger to keep his sippers happy. he borrows more and more water to throw in the bucket and carves the hole bigger to keep his precious sippers happy

when the bucket is emtpy the bucket master will leave. and all the people will die of thirst.

a dog will eat itself to death if you let it

and a humans will destroy themselves if you let them

would you cut 5 trees down to save a forest. or would you let them all just live for just a lil bit longer untill whole forest is destroyed

SACRIFICE or die, even the natives new that

Could be you're right, but I think it is worth trying to save it. Afterall, Americans have proven over and over that when put to the test, they stand up and fight. Well, it's time to stand up and fight.

Big P · Feb 19, 2009

medicineman said:
Could be you're right, but I think it is worth trying to save it. Afterall, Americans have proven over and over that when put to the test, they stand up and fight. Well, it's time to stand up and fight.

this is true, shit a little plumbers putty and we'll be back in business :bigjoint:

max420thc · Feb 21, 2009

Big P said:
medi what my chart means is america is going to collapse on itself. but great glad your steel worker will have a job untill it collapses.....

what happens when you have a bucket of water with a hole in it? you are pouring water in as the water falls out the hole.

what happens when more water pours out of the hole than you are putting in medi?

you end up with an empty bucket. however once our bucket gets empty we still have to pay for all the extra water we borrowed cuz we kept foolishly carving the hole bigger. then we borrowed more water, then we made the hole bigger again. just so your steel worker can get a shitty little sip, instead of rashioning it, everyone gets a sip

they give everyone a sip because they dont want to be fired from being the bucket master

bucket master keeps carving the hole bigger to keep his sippers happy. he borrows more and more water to throw in the bucket and carves the hole bigger to keep his precious sippers happy

when the bucket is emtpy the bucket master will leave. and all the people will die of thirst.

a dog will eat itself to death if you let it

and a humans will destroy themselves if you let them

would you cut 5 trees down to save a forest. or would you let them all just live for just a lil bit longer untill whole forest is destroyed

SACRIFICE or die, even the natives new that

very good analogy .i like my bear analogy a little better though..cause once you run out of food to feed the bear..the bear gets pissed and eats/sips the bucket holder.it just doesnt lie down and die

Big P · Feb 21, 2009

max420thc said:
very good analogy .i like my bear analogy a little better though..cause once you run out of food to feed the bear..the bear gets pissed and eats/sips the bucket holder.it just doesnt lie down and die

ya im not sure i wanna stick around for the hungry bear part :shock:

maybe thats why guns are selling like hotcakes these days

fdd2blk · Feb 21, 2009

the sun came up on cali today. the birds are singing and my indoor is at 8 weeks.

we suck.

mexiblunt · Feb 21, 2009

medicineman said:
Could be you're right, but I think it is worth trying to save it. Afterall, Americans have proven over and over that when put to the test, they stand up and fight. Well, it's time to stand up and fight.

You talking litterally like as in huge wars right? With Iraq and Afghanistan you guys might need a draft.

misshestermoffitt · Feb 22, 2009

So I saw today that some GOP governers are tying to make some kind of lame showing by rejecting their stimulas dollars and the Governator has stuck his hand out and said "I'll take it". Made me laugh..........

medicineman · Feb 22, 2009

misshestermoffitt said:
So I saw today that some GOP governers are tying to make some kind of lame showing by rejecting their stimulas dollars and the Governator has stuck his hand out and said "I'll take it". Made me laugh..........

The governator may be a repuke,, but he can't run for president like the idiots not taking the bailout. Besides, he's married to Maria schriver, one of the most liberal people around. She may have given him the word. In case no-one has noticed, the governator is not the fascist some of the other repuke governors are.
I wonder what all those workers that will be layed off or won't have a chance to work in some bail-out funded project think. I doubt they'll be voting for their repuke governor for president.

max420thc · Feb 23, 2009

the state that i live in ..as much as it sucks to some degree has been responsible .and has a surplus .we really dont need the money .that being said .give it up bitch .we send it there and never get it back anyways.we can always say screw you latter.i hope the governor of this state isnt so stupid that he he doesnt stand in line with his hand out.hell we have to pay for the rest of the states with our tax money too getting the bail out

ViRedd · Feb 23, 2009

Here's some interesting stats for you all: In Los Angeles County, one out of five people are on the government dole. That's 20 percent of the population of Los Angeles County. The County government is the largest employer in the state, with the City of Los Angeles in second.

Public assistance to all recipients, for what-ever reason, costs the County of Los Angeles over $350,000,000 per month. That money comes from the production of the private sector, folks.

All of these people; the people on the dole; the county employees; the city employees, are all tax consumers, not tax producers. And of course, now that they are running out of money, in fact, completely upside down, what is their answer? Why to raise taxes on the producers to an all time high. This last tax hike with the new budget is the largest tax hike in the state's history.

Would the last producer to leave Kommiefornia please turn out the light.

John Galt ... beam me up!

Vi

Reeny · Feb 23, 2009

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/23/144234/224/879/700869

Looks like California might be on to something here

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