Buttigieg Wins Debate

DIY-HP-LED

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Nah, booker took it
Corporate and I strongly suspect his character, a good man, but easily blinded by the desire for power and he doesn't seem to exude inner strength. I think character is gonna be important this time around, strength too, need big chief with heart and smart too.
 

Jimdamick

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Buttigieg speaks 6 different languages, is highly intelligent, extremely emotional stable and able, he's personalable too. Unfortunately he's gay, best man for the job, but there are political issues of bigotry and the democrats can't afford to lose a single vote, the stakes are simply too high. This is a struggle for the soul of America, as well as it's constitution and the rule of law, it would be nice to see the "better angels" for a change. He might just win the nomination, he's got all the right stuff, but the current political environment makes that difficult. The democrats need to appeal to a lot of bigots in order to win it all in 2020, they don't just require a victory, but a mandate for change, and "bigly" change too. They are hoping that a lot of folks start at the top of the ballot and fill in the left side blue blanks, all the way from POTUS to dog catcher. That's the game, I like ole Pete, a smart, decent guy who would probably make one of the great ones, but...

I'm just an observer though, watching from afar and have no say.
He's at least on the stage, and his reputation as an intelligent human with foresight will follow him now forever.
I really liked the debate in the sense it seemed that all were united in the commitment to defeat Trump, and not essentially each other (except for Castro).
Biden/Buttigieg 2020?
Now that would be sweet, an old fart with years of experience and a rational, articulate young man to balance the ticket
A perfect combination?.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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He's at least on the stage, and his reputation as an intelligent human with foresight will follow him now forever.
I really liked the debate in the sense it seemed that all were united it the commitment to defeat Trump, and not essentially each other (except for Castro).
Biden/Buttigieg 2020?
Now that would be sweet, an old fart with years of experience and a rational, articulate young man to balance the ticket
A perfect combination?.
He does seem to exhibit a kind of emotional stability and strength and he got lot's of smarts
 

TacoMac

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Biden's plan to simply expand the ACA will prove to be a winning strategy in my opinion.
Exactly.

White people can't fucking stand that they talked about health care for 30 years and did nothing about it but it took a black man less than 2 years to actually do something about it.

The ACA was never intended to be an endgame piece of legislation. It was supposed to be a starting point to be built upon.

But whites being whites they're hell bent on wiping it and the black president that accomplished it when they never could from the history books.
 

abalonehx

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Stop with the reparations and shielding illegal immigrants crap. I dont agree with that. Most don't. That won't win. Michael Brown, are you serious? Stop the drug war, legalize marijuana nationally, universal healthcare, environmental protections, raise the minimum wage I agree with. Biden sucks yes, but that will be our choice. A lot of problems but still far better than Dotard or any Republicans.
 

Fogdog

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Stop with the reparations and shielding illegal immigrants crap. I dont agree with that. Most don't. That won't win. Michael Brown, are you serious? Stop the drug war, legalize marijuana nationally, universal healthcare, environmental protections, raise the minimum wage I agree with. Biden sucks yes, but that will be our choice. A lot of problems but still far better than Dotard or any Republicans.
Agree with you about how the left is losing the propaganda war around these issues.That said, if they did cooperate with ICE, a local police force is less effective at keeping our streets safe because they lose the trust of the people. The sanctuary cities thing isn't about shielding immigrants, it's about local police doing its job and immigration doing its own. Reparations is another hot button word that doesn't mean what the radical right propaganda machine says it does.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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She is a great candidate, but her healthcare plan isn't going to go anywhere.
Biden's plan to simply expand the ACA will prove to be a winning strategy in my opinion.
I don’t want to give up my employer health insurance that I have now, I’m very happy with it and I do agree with you if she changed to Biden’s healthcare plan she would be able to win. She is an amazing brilliant women. She is articulate and down to earth . She stays on topic, gives examples of her life and career and stays away from The Trump bashing that gets old after a while. We all know what a douche he is, move on...Fingers crossed for Biden because he looked absolutely terrible at the debate. I feel sorry for him. He meanders on answering questions and I hate to say it but I can see Trump tearing him apart and he will look weak and confused and I hope not so much that people don’t vote for him or not to vote at all because he can’t think clearly.
 

abalonehx

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Why is it now you have to be far left or far right? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Can we have some fucking common sense?
 

abalonehx

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Agree with you about how the left is losing the propaganda war around these issues.That said, if they did cooperate with ICE, a local police force is less effective at keeping our streets safe because they lose the trust of the people. The sanctuary cities thing isn't about shielding immigrants, it's about local police doing its job and immigration doing its own. Reparations is another hot button word that doesn't mean what the radical right propaganda machine says it does.
Sanctuary cities isnt about shielding illegal immigrants? What is it about?
Explain how reparations will work? Its insanity. We have so many other problems in real time currently. For example, stop the fucking drug war and that will lift everyone out of gang warfare in inner cities. Stop the madness.
 

UncleBuck

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Corporate and I strongly suspect his character, a good man, but easily blinded by the desire for power and he doesn't seem to exude inner strength. I think character is gonna be important this time around, strength too, need big chief with heart and smart too.
He suffered second degree burns running into a burning building to save a constituent
 

Fogdog

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Sanctuary cities isnt about shielding illegal immigrants? What is it about?
Explain how reparations will work? Its insanity. We have so many other problems in real time currently. For example, stop the fucking drug war and that will lift everyone out of gang warfare in inner cities. Stop the madness.
Sanctuary cities are not about shielding illegal immigrants, it's about jurisdiction. Local police aren't paid to enforce immigration laws, that's what ICE is paid to do. Local police are there to enforce local laws and to prevent crime whenever possible. The main reason why we don't want our local police to become an extension of immigration police is because we want all the people of our city to look to police to protect them. We want people to come forward and not be afraid to report. For example, say a person's uncle is here illegally. They might not want to report a theft if they had to worry about the investigators suspecting and reporting their uncle. Unreported crimes are exactly what a criminal wants.

Regarding "reparations". The regal right would have people think its all about white guilt and giving billions to black people to absolve that guilt. Reparations aren't about white guilt, they are about repairing damage from past mistakes. We have a multi-trillion dollar wealth gap between white and black people that is entirely due to the confiscation of generational wealth from black families that goes back hundreds of years. That wealth went to white society. So, yeah, there is a wrong that ought to be redressed but how best to do it ought to be the question, not whether or not black people are "owed money". There is a wrong that needs to be redressed. Yes, it will cost, but if done well the cost is an investment in people that will pay off over time.

The following was extracted from what Kamala Harris said on the subject in an interview with NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703299534/sen-kamala-harris-on-reparations

You can look at the issue of untreated and undiagnosed trauma. African-Americans have higher rates of heart disease and high blood pressure. It is environmental. It is centuries of slavery, which was a form of violence where women were raped, where children were taken from their parents - violence associated with slavery. And that never - there was never any real intervention to break up what had been generations of people experiencing the highest forms of trauma. And trauma, undiagnosed and untreated, leads to physiological outcomes.

I think reparations - yeah. I think that the word, the term reparations, it means different things to different people. But what I mean by it is that we need to study the effects of generations of discrimination and institutional racism and determine what can be done, in terms of intervention, to correct course.


So, I'm with Harris on this one. Let's resolve to put our money where our mouth is and do something about the costs inflicted on black families due to slavery, jim crow and other actions that put black families at an economic disadvantage to white families. But instead of just looking at it as cutting a check, let's take a good look at how best to repair the damage through favorable home loans, educational opportunities, mental health counseling, grants to neighborhoods and so forth.
 

Jimdamick

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Sanctuary cities are not about shielding illegal immigrants, it's about jurisdiction. Local police aren't paid to enforce immigration laws, that's what ICE is paid to do. Local police are there to enforce local laws and to prevent crime whenever possible. The main reason why we don't want our local police to become an extension of immigration police is because we want all the people of our city to look to police to protect them. We want people to come forward and not be afraid to report. For example, say a person's uncle is here illegally. They might not want to report a theft if they had to worry about the investigators suspecting and reporting their uncle. Unreported crimes are exactly what a criminal wants.

Regarding "reparations". The regal right would have people think its all about white guilt and giving billions to black people to absolve that guilt. Reparations aren't about white guilt, they are about repairing damage from past mistakes. We have a multi-trillion dollar wealth gap between white and black people that is entirely due to the confiscation of generational wealth from black families that goes back hundreds of years. That wealth went to white society. So, yeah, there is a wrong that ought to be redressed but how best to do it ought to be the question, not whether or not black people are "owed money". There is a wrong that needs to be redressed. Yes, it will cost, but if done well the cost is an investment in people that will pay off over time.

The following was extracted from what Kamala Harris said on the subject in an interview with NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703299534/sen-kamala-harris-on-reparations

You can look at the issue of untreated and undiagnosed trauma. African-Americans have higher rates of heart disease and high blood pressure. It is environmental. It is centuries of slavery, which was a form of violence where women were raped, where children were taken from their parents - violence associated with slavery. And that never - there was never any real intervention to break up what had been generations of people experiencing the highest forms of trauma. And trauma, undiagnosed and untreated, leads to physiological outcomes.

I think reparations - yeah. I think that the word, the term reparations, it means different things to different people. But what I mean by it is that we need to study the effects of generations of discrimination and institutional racism and determine what can be done, in terms of intervention, to correct course.


So, I'm with Harris on this one. Let's resolve to put our money where our mouth is and do something about the costs inflicted on black families due to slavery, jim crow and other actions that put black families at an economic disadvantage to white families. But instead of just looking at it as cutting a check, let's take a good look at how best to repair the damage through favorable home loans, educational opportunities, mental health counseling, grants to neighborhoods and so forth.
One way to start the reparation process would be to finally put some money into school districts that have been deprived of equal funding because they were low income and usually people of color.
How about free college for all African Americans that could trace their ancestry to slavery?
That would work very well I think.
 

Fogdog

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One way to start the reparation process would be to finally put some money into school districts that have been deprived of equal funding because they were low income and usually people of color.
How about free college for all African Americans that could trace their ancestry to slavery?
That would work very well I think.
That would be a start.

There are plenty of places where we could start right away. I would also endorse what Harris said about studying the effects of generational discrimination and institutional racism to determine the best ways to address reparations.
 

abalonehx

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Sanctuary cities are not about shielding illegal immigrants, it's about jurisdiction. Local police aren't paid to enforce immigration laws, that's what ICE is paid to do. Local police are there to enforce local laws and to prevent crime whenever possible. The main reason why we don't want our local police to become an extension of immigration police is because we want all the people of our city to look to police to protect them. We want people to come forward and not be afraid to report. For example, say a person's uncle is here illegally. They might not want to report a theft if they had to worry about the investigators suspecting and reporting their uncle. Unreported crimes are exactly what a criminal wants.

Regarding "reparations". The regal right would have people think its all about white guilt and giving billions to black people to absolve that guilt. Reparations aren't about white guilt, they are about repairing damage from past mistakes. We have a multi-trillion dollar wealth gap between white and black people that is entirely due to the confiscation of generational wealth from black families that goes back hundreds of years. That wealth went to white society. So, yeah, there is a wrong that ought to be redressed but how best to do it ought to be the question, not whether or not black people are "owed money". There is a wrong that needs to be redressed. Yes, it will cost, but if done well the cost is an investment in people that will pay off over time.

The following was extracted from what Kamala Harris said on the subject in an interview with NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703299534/sen-kamala-harris-on-reparations

You can look at the issue of untreated and undiagnosed trauma. African-Americans have higher rates of heart disease and high blood pressure. It is environmental. It is centuries of slavery, which was a form of violence where women were raped, where children were taken from their parents - violence associated with slavery. And that never - there was never any real intervention to break up what had been generations of people experiencing the highest forms of trauma. And trauma, undiagnosed and untreated, leads to physiological outcomes.

I think reparations - yeah. I think that the word, the term reparations, it means different things to different people. But what I mean by it is that we need to study the effects of generations of discrimination and institutional racism and determine what can be done, in terms of intervention, to correct course.


So, I'm with Harris on this one. Let's resolve to put our money where our mouth is and do something about the costs inflicted on black families due to slavery, jim crow and other actions that put black families at an economic disadvantage to white families. But instead of just looking at it as cutting a check, let's take a good look at how best to repair the damage through favorable home loans, educational opportunities, mental health counseling, grants to neighborhoods and so forth.
I agree local law enforcement shouldnt be doing the bidding of federal agencies such as the dea or ice but illegal immigration shouldnt be acceptable either. Reparations is a complex issue but it's a rat's nest of legislation we dont need to focus on when the main causes of black poverty and criminal justice is ignored. Let's correct the criminal justice system issues first. You have to start at a ground level first. Education funding, criminal justice reform, end the drug war first. Who do you hold responsible for slavery? Everyone? Everybody with white skin? Do you trace it genealogical? The rich has used the poor, regardless of skin color. What do you do about that? I dont understand how you would implement this in a fair way to all.
 
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