Buttigieg Wins Debate

Should everyone pay into reparations? Or who should?

Was Bernie in the debate? The only thing that makes me think he was is that I woke up and was having a nightmare that some old man with sour breath was yelling at me.

abalonehx said:

I agree local law enforcement shouldnt be doing the bidding of federal agencies such as the dea or ice but illegal immigration shouldnt be acceptable either. Reparations is a complex issue but it's a rat's nest of legislation we dont need to focus on when the main causes of black poverty and criminal justice is ignored. Let's correct the criminal justice system issues first. You have to start at a ground level first. Education funding, criminal justice reform, end the drug war first. Who do you hold responsible for slavery? Everyone? Everybody with white skin? Do you trace it genealogical? The rich has used the poor, regardless of skin color. What do you do about that? I dont understand how you would implement this in a fair way to all.

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Laws against illegal immigration are already on the books and were being enforced before Trump. Trump is spending billions more. Its a matter of where should we put our resources? Illegal immigrants ADD to the economy and on balance the US is better off with them here than in El Salvador or wherever. What good are Trump's billions doing? So, let's put our enforcement money into solving problems and not morality. That fucking wall, for instance will cost a whole lot more than it will ever benefit the people of the US. Same with expanding the prison system to accommodate enforcement of laws that that don't solve any of our problems.

The economy of the US is larger by trillions of dollars due to money taken from black people and unpaid services rendered by them. It's not a matter of genealogy, it's a matter of putting money back into the community where it will do the most good and in this case to repair damage made by other government entities. So, yes, US taxes paid into the general fund would justifiably be spent on targeted programs such as education, community grants, housing and so forth. I mostly advocate for spending money on understanding the problem first. There are some obvious areas like education where we could begin right away.

I couldn't be more anti trump. But I say let's not spend money towards protecting illegal immigration but let us spend money on legal immigration. Is that not reasonable?
US taxes should be paid by people who had nothing to do with slavery for reparations? I don't agree. Like I said, let's address the causes of minority disenfranchisement currently first.

abalonehx said:

I couldn't be more anti trump. But I say let's not spend money towards protecting illegal immigration but let us spend money on legal immigration. Is that not reasonable?
US taxes should be paid by people who had nothing to do with slavery for reparations? I don't agree. Like I said, let's address the causes of minority disenfranchisement currently first.

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Sure, let's talk about what to do first. Then study the shit out of it and get it right.

Could you give me an example of where we are spending money protecting illegal immigrants? I'm guessing if you scratch a little deeper you'll find so-called sanctuary cities are spending money enforcing the laws of this land, unlike what Trump and his right wingers are doing.

Well let's not go further in that direction perhaps? And I still dont understand how a reparations program would work like I said. All of this is a distraction and a crippling of a progressive political agenda that has appeal to the average voter. Stop stirring the boat so far left.

abalonehx said:

Well let's not go further in that direction perhaps? And I still dont understand how a reparations program would work like I said. All of this is a distraction and a crippling of a progressive political agenda that has appeal to the average voter. Stop stirring the boat so far left.

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I'll vote for who I want in the primary and you do the same. If things go the way they normally do, my candidate won't even make the list for an honorable mention. No matter. In the general election, I'll vote for the Democratic Party's nominee who is guaranteed to be leagues better than Trump.

Same. But the democrats should have a better candidate and we all know it.

abalonehx said:

Same. But the democrats should have a better candidate and we all know it.

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Elections are about making choices not about what we want.

I don't even know who I'm going to vote for in the primary but it's not Sanders, Biden or Gabbard.

I'll probably vote for Warren but could be Harris. Biden probably wins the nomination. He's not bad.

Fogdog said:

Elections are about making choices not about what we want.

I don't even know who I'm going to vote for in the primary but it's not Sanders, Biden or Gabbard.

I'll probably vote for Warren but could be Harris. Biden probably wins the nomination. He's not bad.

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Seriously? You got one choice. The choice they give you. Vote against Trump is all we can do.

Fogdog said:

Regarding "reparations".

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That would go over like a turd in a punch bowl! Jesus what a shit storm that would create and Donald would be POTUS till he croaked.

Agreed....

abalonehx said:

Well let's not go further in that direction perhaps? And I still don't understand how a reparations program would work like I said. All of this is a distraction and a crippling of a progressive political agenda that has appeal to the average voter. Stop stirring the boat so far left.

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Don't even talk about it, not even here, fur fuck sake wait until 2021, Donald would be crowed fucking King for sure. It would be like a hot poker up the ass for the GOP. Off the table and I'm reluctant to speak about American domestic policy in this instance! Any candidate who breaths anything like that would be a lunatic and the party would cut their throat and rightly so.

Not against it (don't have to pay), it's just every thing has it's time and before the election sure as shit ain't that time, if they every want to see it happen. Reparations should not be paid for slavery uncle Sam paid that price in blood to free them, Reparations should be paid for all the shit that happened post civil war and right up to this day. The only meaningful way to deliver it would be through, health care and education among other services folks will think of in the future.

If black folks got free reparations health care, the rest of the population would have the same overnight! Might be a health care approach in the future! Get those southern states in line real quick!

abalonehx said:

I couldn't be more anti trump. But I say let's not spend money towards protecting illegal immigration but let us spend money on legal immigration. Is that not reasonable?
US taxes should be paid by people who had nothing to do with slavery for reparations? I don't agree. Like I said, let's address the causes of minority disenfranchisement currently first.

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The point about immigration if I might comment as an observer, that many people over look is the role of employers in this issue and their lack of accountability in this matter. Farmers should have no problems with workers under new rules but corporate offenders over a certain size should be hit hard and their work force if migrant should be granted the right to stay and work (good people) or they must pay higher wages to citizens. These people come for opportunity and to save their lives and that of their children and are fleeing from troubles that were and are largely America's fault, CIA coups and drugs among those causes.

America could do much more at the source to stem the flow too

DIY-HP-LED said:

Buttigieg speaks 6 different languages, is highly intelligent, extremely emotional stable and able, he's personalable too. Unfortunately he's gay, best man for the job, but there are political issues of bigotry and the democrats can't afford to lose a single vote, the stakes are simply too high. This is a struggle for the soul of America, as well as it's constitution and the rule of law, it would be nice to see the "better angels" for a change. He might just win the nomination, he's got all the right stuff, but the current political environment makes that difficult. The democrats need to appeal to a lot of bigots in order to win it all in 2020, they don't just require a victory, but a mandate for change, and "bigly" change too. They are hoping that a lot of folks start at the top of the ballot and fill in the left side blue blanks, all the way from POTUS to dog catcher. That's the game, I like ole Pete, a smart, decent guy who would probably make one of the great ones, but...

I'm just an observer though, watching from afar and have no say.

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As an armchair campaign manager, you'd lose the race for county dog catcher.

It's about the issues, not the idpol.

ttystikk said:

As an armchair campaign manager, you'd lose the race for county dog catcher.

It's about the issues, not the idpol.

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No dog in the fight Yoda

Next you'll be spouting off over a trillion dollars in reparations leading up to the election and help make Trump king for life

Buttigieg > Bernie

DIY-HP-LED said:

No dog in the fight Yoda

Next you'll be spouting off over a trillion dollars in reparations leading up to the election and help make Trump king for life

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If you think you have no dog in the fight for who leads America you haven't been paying attention- or you're a lot less intelligent than I thought. We've been hammering away at friend and foe for nearly 3 years now and Canada has already taken some shots- or did you forget the trade war and NAFTA mess?

Fogdog said:

Buttigieg > Bernie

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@Fogdog is a propaganda conspiracy theorist who supports the right wing agenda. Anything coming from that user is suspect.