Hindenburg
New Member
Hello Everyone,
A little background before I begin... I'm a C.S. Major that dropped out of college...
Anyone who happened to be born on the west coast happened to win the ovary lottery in my humble opinion. Not me, I didn't even get the pick 3 being hatched into a nation under soviet rule... Fast forward one political asylum and 5 to 9 business years later I'm now officially an American! I have a friend that moves to the west coast 3 years before I decide to and says I can crash on his couch until I find a job in beautiful California! <SOLD> Now I'm out of horrible Faillinois.
Now here's the catch....
The job I found involved sending me to a high risk zone for extraordinary payment [as actually mandated per U.S. law..] having sought political asylum to the U.S. I kind of felt obligated to help our freedom fighters working in hospitals maintaining all the back end computer stuff pertaining to tele-radiology...
[REDACTED]
393 days later of 12/day 7days/week on top of being on call 24/7 and countless close calls with Mr. Grim I'm in a position to maintain my own garden supervised by me that passes only my rigorous quality control....
[REDACTED]
Despite being in an area where this crop is in abundance and mostly legal [the west coast; there is a DHS building right across the street from a weed store FFS!] I still see product which looks like the seeds were sewn into the ground by some club wielding neanderthal that just discovered fire and the things that he can inhale with it. Some of it isn't even look fit enough to make rope sadly...
I've been doing a lot of research and it's costing me a lot of time and I'm hoping to reach out to a community that has a lot more experience than me. I'm pretty new to botany and horticulture but I've only managed to get two seasons of mycology under my belt.
I'm ready to Break Bad into this Weeds world, complete with equations, lab coats, formulas, gloves, graphs, bell curves, and real live For Real (tm) Science, none of this pseudo science.
I need help selecting equipment...
I do not like to talk negatively about companies that aren't doing things right so I won't name anyone in particular or say anything bad. I also don't like to gloat, a product ultimately speaks for itself. When I will be asked questions like, "Hey where did you get this crop???" It'll be a validation that I know what I'm doing is spot on!
So far I have managed to acquire two ebb & flow systems. One is fit for 3-4 mothers the other is fit for 6 larger plants. My friend let me borrow his aeroponic system which will eventually be used for flowering or vegetation once I have a few grows under my belt as I read that going straight to aeroponics is inadvisable for a newbie.
Between those it seems that it will be possible to setup a mother, flowering, and vegetation chambers. (although I only have lighting for flowering and vegetation at the moment)
LIGHTS:
Lights are very important and there is a lot of misinformation and piss contest-ing that is really irritating.
1) Lumens are for Humans
'super-lumens' are not real science. Please do not support any company trying to make shit up.
Please read about micromoles and what wavelengths of light are most interesting to a plant's process of photosynthesis. You will soon discover that anyone dealing in lumens is ultimately dealing with a product whose time and research was spent in displaying lights for something in the animal kingdom. Are we growing humans or plants here???
The lights I have chosen to select are made from Gavita a company based in The Netherlands, a country which you may recognize for it's famous port city Amsterdam, the largest in Europe! If anyone knows what the fuck they're doing, I'd like to think that it's a company who supplies lights for a horticultural industry that has made itself famously world known for it's crops, don't you?
Gavita's *only* competitor and *only* competitor is The Sun.
Still unconvinced?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHglynTIdE
I have a 300 LEP Plasma light and their SE 600 Watt model for flowering they just arrive and are still waiting to be unboxed.
"Pfff 300 watts, what the fuck will that do for my vegetative crops"
Please watch the video and understand that while you are only seeing a 300 watt power draw on the wall you are also not seeing any powder or mildew on your plants because there are UV A and B rays being shown onto the plants which is also strengthening their stalks and creating a plant that looks like it was grown outside. The downside is the plasma lights MSRP is $975. I picked up a store model barely used with a 3 year warranty for $900. which I can stuff into a PVC pipe for less than the difference of the 300 LEP that's $1,275 that comes in a tube with a fan... You are getting 55,000 with this bulb: read: you are not changing this bulb if you don't break it.
Unless there's something more kick ass out there I hate to say it but if you are not using the sun or Gavita's lighting you ultimately aren't growing [the best possible] marijuana.
I still need to get a grow tent for vegetation and flowering. Are gorilla grow tents worth the extra cost being 3-5 times the thickness of most other tents? How much should I be spending for two tents with an approximate dimensions of 1 metre cubed to possibly 1.5 metres squared by 1 metre tall.
I've decided to go for hydroponics instead of the soil based route. I might expand to soil later but I am trying to just sustain my own consumption and possible have a little on the side. I did budget for my consumption to increase as they start flowering, because, I'd be retarded not to at least budget for that even if consumption remains the same.
I have an MLC controller for the lights, water pumps and air stones.
I'm looking to find a pH monitor that isn't absolute garbage. All of these ones the local hydro shops sell for $30 are of not a higher quality than what I would expect to find in a cereal box.
Does anyone have anything to say about: http://www.milwaukeeinstruments.com/MI180.html ?
It looks like a nice solid laboratory grade piece of science equipment complete with replaceable probes and roughly $550 online is the cheapest I could find it.
What interests me most about it is the RS232/USB connection to a computer.
Data recording is KEY and very important to me. I want to be able to create graphs later.
A lot of this digital monitoring equipment being sold does not have a computer or RS232 attachment, making it very difficult to connect to a computer or arduino; which will be kind of required for my dream setup [backup failover pumps, timers, battery backup, generator would be excessive though]
Some other items that I need you guys to help me select are going to be a dehumidifier. I'm going to want one in each grow tent right? or would it be more economical to have one giant grow tent, with the humidifier in it, then two separate grow tents inside of this larger tent to keep the environments more isolated from out side lights/temperatures/etc?
It looks like I'll be spending roughly $175-$275 for a dehumidifier? How much for an rH monitor with usb or RS232 capability?
I will then need a CO2 generator and monitoring for that... as it doesn't appear that Milwaukee monitor has that capability.
I will like my monitor to be able to be connected to a computer as most of my time isn't going to be spent staring at an LCD screen in the basement, I wouldn't even hear an alarm go off down there if the sensor came with one... The reason I need the digital component of the monitoring is I don't have underlings to monitor for me while I'm not able to be there in person. All those underlings must be created mad scientist style with a soldering iron upstairs in the electronics lab...
Ozone is bad for you and your plants and everything living. I'm not getting an ozone generator in the small chance to ionize the air [with the secondary ionizing module] and make the walls slightly dustier and the air slightly cleaner, as for the odor? It doesn't particularly matter...
Please let me know if there is a better monitor for cheaper than that Mi 180 $550 one. I do have a nice budget (think: El Pollo) but I am trying to limit costs because no point in spending more than you need to.
Thermal monitoring? Is it even necessary? It's going to be running in a cool basement where humidity is likely to be higher than the temperature. Perhaps not initially but later down the line.
Is there anything I'm omitting or anything that's considered excessive?
You get what you pay for and I would not like to skip any corners!
TL;DR
I have lights+ballasts+controllers, 2x ebb & flow, 1x aeroponic system, stones, air/water pumps.
Please suggest to me the following:
I need monitoring equipment for pH, rH, CO2, EC, TDS, ETC, a dehumidifier, a CO2 generator, two to three grow tents [what do I look for in a good tent], possibly fans.
Thank you for your time in reading this and I look forward to posting photos of everything once it's all in order!
-Hindenburg
P.S.
Look for an Art Dirigible on the Playa 2014! Please let me know if you can get me roughly 11 million cubic metres of helium on the cheap because bringing an air ship filled with hydrogen to burning man is less than wise considering the dimensions of the beast would roughly equate to the kilojoules of .1 Hiroshima bombs if it were to go off...
A little background before I begin... I'm a C.S. Major that dropped out of college...
Anyone who happened to be born on the west coast happened to win the ovary lottery in my humble opinion. Not me, I didn't even get the pick 3 being hatched into a nation under soviet rule... Fast forward one political asylum and 5 to 9 business years later I'm now officially an American! I have a friend that moves to the west coast 3 years before I decide to and says I can crash on his couch until I find a job in beautiful California! <SOLD> Now I'm out of horrible Faillinois.
Now here's the catch....
The job I found involved sending me to a high risk zone for extraordinary payment [as actually mandated per U.S. law..] having sought political asylum to the U.S. I kind of felt obligated to help our freedom fighters working in hospitals maintaining all the back end computer stuff pertaining to tele-radiology...
[REDACTED]
393 days later of 12/day 7days/week on top of being on call 24/7 and countless close calls with Mr. Grim I'm in a position to maintain my own garden supervised by me that passes only my rigorous quality control....
[REDACTED]
Despite being in an area where this crop is in abundance and mostly legal [the west coast; there is a DHS building right across the street from a weed store FFS!] I still see product which looks like the seeds were sewn into the ground by some club wielding neanderthal that just discovered fire and the things that he can inhale with it. Some of it isn't even look fit enough to make rope sadly...
I've been doing a lot of research and it's costing me a lot of time and I'm hoping to reach out to a community that has a lot more experience than me. I'm pretty new to botany and horticulture but I've only managed to get two seasons of mycology under my belt.
I'm ready to Break Bad into this Weeds world, complete with equations, lab coats, formulas, gloves, graphs, bell curves, and real live For Real (tm) Science, none of this pseudo science.
I need help selecting equipment...
I do not like to talk negatively about companies that aren't doing things right so I won't name anyone in particular or say anything bad. I also don't like to gloat, a product ultimately speaks for itself. When I will be asked questions like, "Hey where did you get this crop???" It'll be a validation that I know what I'm doing is spot on!
So far I have managed to acquire two ebb & flow systems. One is fit for 3-4 mothers the other is fit for 6 larger plants. My friend let me borrow his aeroponic system which will eventually be used for flowering or vegetation once I have a few grows under my belt as I read that going straight to aeroponics is inadvisable for a newbie.
Between those it seems that it will be possible to setup a mother, flowering, and vegetation chambers. (although I only have lighting for flowering and vegetation at the moment)
LIGHTS:
Lights are very important and there is a lot of misinformation and piss contest-ing that is really irritating.
1) Lumens are for Humans
'super-lumens' are not real science. Please do not support any company trying to make shit up.
Please read about micromoles and what wavelengths of light are most interesting to a plant's process of photosynthesis. You will soon discover that anyone dealing in lumens is ultimately dealing with a product whose time and research was spent in displaying lights for something in the animal kingdom. Are we growing humans or plants here???
The lights I have chosen to select are made from Gavita a company based in The Netherlands, a country which you may recognize for it's famous port city Amsterdam, the largest in Europe! If anyone knows what the fuck they're doing, I'd like to think that it's a company who supplies lights for a horticultural industry that has made itself famously world known for it's crops, don't you?
Gavita's *only* competitor and *only* competitor is The Sun.
Still unconvinced?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHglynTIdE
I have a 300 LEP Plasma light and their SE 600 Watt model for flowering they just arrive and are still waiting to be unboxed.
"Pfff 300 watts, what the fuck will that do for my vegetative crops"
Please watch the video and understand that while you are only seeing a 300 watt power draw on the wall you are also not seeing any powder or mildew on your plants because there are UV A and B rays being shown onto the plants which is also strengthening their stalks and creating a plant that looks like it was grown outside. The downside is the plasma lights MSRP is $975. I picked up a store model barely used with a 3 year warranty for $900. which I can stuff into a PVC pipe for less than the difference of the 300 LEP that's $1,275 that comes in a tube with a fan... You are getting 55,000 with this bulb: read: you are not changing this bulb if you don't break it.
Unless there's something more kick ass out there I hate to say it but if you are not using the sun or Gavita's lighting you ultimately aren't growing [the best possible] marijuana.
I still need to get a grow tent for vegetation and flowering. Are gorilla grow tents worth the extra cost being 3-5 times the thickness of most other tents? How much should I be spending for two tents with an approximate dimensions of 1 metre cubed to possibly 1.5 metres squared by 1 metre tall.
I've decided to go for hydroponics instead of the soil based route. I might expand to soil later but I am trying to just sustain my own consumption and possible have a little on the side. I did budget for my consumption to increase as they start flowering, because, I'd be retarded not to at least budget for that even if consumption remains the same.
I have an MLC controller for the lights, water pumps and air stones.
I'm looking to find a pH monitor that isn't absolute garbage. All of these ones the local hydro shops sell for $30 are of not a higher quality than what I would expect to find in a cereal box.
Does anyone have anything to say about: http://www.milwaukeeinstruments.com/MI180.html ?
It looks like a nice solid laboratory grade piece of science equipment complete with replaceable probes and roughly $550 online is the cheapest I could find it.
What interests me most about it is the RS232/USB connection to a computer.
Data recording is KEY and very important to me. I want to be able to create graphs later.
A lot of this digital monitoring equipment being sold does not have a computer or RS232 attachment, making it very difficult to connect to a computer or arduino; which will be kind of required for my dream setup [backup failover pumps, timers, battery backup, generator would be excessive though]
Some other items that I need you guys to help me select are going to be a dehumidifier. I'm going to want one in each grow tent right? or would it be more economical to have one giant grow tent, with the humidifier in it, then two separate grow tents inside of this larger tent to keep the environments more isolated from out side lights/temperatures/etc?
It looks like I'll be spending roughly $175-$275 for a dehumidifier? How much for an rH monitor with usb or RS232 capability?
I will then need a CO2 generator and monitoring for that... as it doesn't appear that Milwaukee monitor has that capability.
I will like my monitor to be able to be connected to a computer as most of my time isn't going to be spent staring at an LCD screen in the basement, I wouldn't even hear an alarm go off down there if the sensor came with one... The reason I need the digital component of the monitoring is I don't have underlings to monitor for me while I'm not able to be there in person. All those underlings must be created mad scientist style with a soldering iron upstairs in the electronics lab...
Ozone is bad for you and your plants and everything living. I'm not getting an ozone generator in the small chance to ionize the air [with the secondary ionizing module] and make the walls slightly dustier and the air slightly cleaner, as for the odor? It doesn't particularly matter...
Please let me know if there is a better monitor for cheaper than that Mi 180 $550 one. I do have a nice budget (think: El Pollo) but I am trying to limit costs because no point in spending more than you need to.
Thermal monitoring? Is it even necessary? It's going to be running in a cool basement where humidity is likely to be higher than the temperature. Perhaps not initially but later down the line.
Is there anything I'm omitting or anything that's considered excessive?
You get what you pay for and I would not like to skip any corners!
TL;DR
I have lights+ballasts+controllers, 2x ebb & flow, 1x aeroponic system, stones, air/water pumps.
Please suggest to me the following:
I need monitoring equipment for pH, rH, CO2, EC, TDS, ETC, a dehumidifier, a CO2 generator, two to three grow tents [what do I look for in a good tent], possibly fans.
Thank you for your time in reading this and I look forward to posting photos of everything once it's all in order!
-Hindenburg
P.S.
Look for an Art Dirigible on the Playa 2014! Please let me know if you can get me roughly 11 million cubic metres of helium on the cheap because bringing an air ship filled with hydrogen to burning man is less than wise considering the dimensions of the beast would roughly equate to the kilojoules of .1 Hiroshima bombs if it were to go off...
