Mr. Skunk
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Thats weird. I'm down south and have never heard of it, the new line definitely sounds interesting though, my ph is a bitch every grow.
Better Hydroponic Nutrients
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hooked.on.ponics
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I heard mid-march which means it should be out pretty soon. But I heard that a couple weeks ago and haven't heard anything new since then so I don't know for sure.
hooked.on.ponics
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And people say Advanced spends too much money on advertising...
IMO that "classic" pitch is a way of upselling an absence of innovation.
IMO that "classic" pitch is a way of upselling an absence of innovation.
Big P
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Hows this for absence of innovation:
those are 2-liter colas
not just a can of soda pop
mared juwan
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You can't go wrong with GH 3-part. hooked.on.ponics, you have to know your credibility suffers when you have AN's logo in your avatar. That shit is overpriced. Get over it. You dismissed what I said earlier in this thread without obviously knowing what you are talking about. Have you ever done any grows replacing Overdrive with Ionic Boost to see what actually happens? Doubt it. Have you ever done any side by side grows comparing AN base nutes to GH 3-part? Doubt it. Half of that shit is snake oil, dude. BTW I know this rebuttal is about a month late but Ionic Boost is considerably cheaper than Overdrive.
Nice plants, Big P.
Nice plants, Big P.
hooked.on.ponics
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LMAO
Yeah, not like it does when you slap giant ads in a post.
I stuck that in my avatar because when I was making it I did everything but that part and thought it looked too plain, too much like the phonics one. So I thought "what would make it clear I'm talking about hydroponics?"
Advanced Nutrients, obviously. And the colors even matched up nicely.
Nothing more to it than that.
As far as the whole "have I done this" and "have I done that" thing, stop beating around the bush. What exactly did I say that you think was wrong? Don't pussy-foot around and ask me what I have and haven't done, SAY where you think I'm wrong because I don't have time to double-check every damn thing I've said to see if it maybe fits with what you might disagree with. I don't read minds.
You don't like AN. Fine, I don't give a shit. I don't make a penny when AN or anyone else sells stuff so it's no skin off my nose.
Certain things cost more than other things. That's the nature of any free market.
I don't like or dislike products based upon the price tag, I like or dislike them based upon performance. I see results with AN so I pay for it. If you don't then I recommend buying whatever cheaper thing makes you happy.
But if you call a more expensive product is "snake oil", you're effectively calling the consumers of that product stupid, gullible, or any number of other insulting judgments.
I'm not saying anyone is stupid for using something other than what I like. I'm saying this is what I like and why I like it.
mindphuk
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Where do you hear these things? I'm curious because your post isn't the first one claiming that plants can't take up sugars at the root. We know that the phloem is the area where carbohydrate transport occurs from sugar sources to sugar sinks. Yes, plants do make their own, but they are very capable of taking up carbohydrates in the root area and move it to other parts of the plant. Sugar beets are well known for this process. Carbohydrates can be radioactively tagged, fed to the plants at the roots, and the transport of those sugars can be observed. We also know that the root supplies mycorrhizae with carbohydrates, there's no reason to expect that they can only go in one direction.
mared juwan
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OK, well to remind you. .. I tried to save everyone who reads this some money by telling them I have done several grows comparing AN Overdrive to Ionic Boost and I have found that Ionic Boost produces better results. Not only did your next post say that you obviously didn't believe me but also that Overdrive does not cost much more than Ionic Boost. It is nearly double the price at some places. But I didn't really care that much so I didn't say anything.
Then I come back to this thread months later to find several pages of you praising AN for their great nutes. All I'm asking is how exactly do you know they are so great. I am not an AN hater by any means. I use some of their stuff - big bud and carboload. I'm just saying that to claim that something is better because it is more expensive without actually TESTING it out is not responsible in a learning forum. I know you didn't test AN base nutes against GH 3-part or AN Overdrive vs Ionic Boost because you are wrong about them. Had you actually done the tests you wouldn't be saying AN is best hands down all the time. You are actually a teacher here whether you know it or not. People new to growing trust what they see here for better or for worse.
And to say I meant that everyone who buys expensive nutes is stupid is a bit of a leap. So because you don't like cheap nutes you hate poor people??? LOL Don't put words in people's mouths.
But look, I hate to argue or be insulting on the internet - it doesn't do anyone any good. My only intention is to point out that AN is not the end-all-be-all to nutes and everyone should try many different types of nutes in order to find what truly works best for them. I think you limit yourself by being convinced that only AN will produce "the best" buds.
-/\/\ared
Big P
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yes i agree, ill admit myself that i have only ever use GH FLora series nutes and never tested another brand myself
but that was after consulting with several growers who have use many of these brands. some have gone as far over the years to seem to have tried them all
this is how I came to choose GH nutes
and here is why I conclude it is one of the best out there if not the actual best:
FLORA SERIES IS THE MOST WIDELY USED HYDROPONIC FERTILIZER IN THE WORLD BECAUSE IT IS THE BEST!
• GH Flora Series is the original Building-Block Nutrient System – imitated but never duplicated.
• Contains complete Primary, Secondary and Micro Nutrients –for enhanced yields and better crop quality.
• Users can adjust mixtures to suit specific plant needs.
• Enhances flavor, nutrition, aroma and essential oils in both hydroponic and soil cultivated plants.
• Contains highly purified concentrates for maximum solubility.
• pH balanced for ease of use.
• NASA and Antarctic research scientists choose Flora Series -- because of its superior formulation and reliability.
• The General Hydroponics Flora Series is known throughout the world as the industry standard.
.FloraGro®, FloraBloom® and FloraMicro® comprise General Hydroponic's nutrient flagship. Recognized world-wide as the most advanced hydroponic nutrient line ever developed, the Flora-series is used by NASA, Argonne National Laboratory, Los Alamos National Laboratory and has been specified for research using hydroponics by Laboratories, Universities, Government Agencies, and Scientists throughout the world. The Flora series is the result of the collective contributions of many famous scientists in the fields of hydroponics, agriculture and chemistry.
hooked.on.ponics
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That's pretty much just a cut and paste job right there... you "conclude that GH is the best" because you read something written by GH?
So all this crap about how you said Ionic Boost was the best and I dismissed what you said is just that, crap.
Which then begs the question why I would bother talking to you if there's no chance in hell that you'll believe anything I have to say since, as you and I have both stated, you already "know" things that you couldn't possible know even though these things contradict what I say.
I mean if talking to you accomplishes nothing because you've made your decision and that decision has nothing to do with anything I have or might say, what possible purpose might it serve?
Short answer is that this isn't for you. You've made it abundantly clear you don't care what I think - or say - so I'm simply returning the favor.
Re-read the post you're complaining about. You'll find the word "if" in the allegedly offending sentence. This clearly means that under the condition that one part is true, the other is also true. There's nothing to say that you do or don't make those claims.
Obviously this whole post is more for everyone else, but I address you on the outside chance you decide to read anything I say for more reason than to simply find ways to pick it apart.
This is a monumental load of bullshit. This is by my count your third post in this thread. The first post is on page 4 (number 34), and speaks only of how you like AN nutes. Your second post is on page 6 (number 66), gives me shit about my avatar and calls me out for disregarding what you said before. And what I'm quoting here is your third post.
So all this crap about how you said Ionic Boost was the best and I dismissed what you said is just that, crap.
And not in some other places. Guess which I live in? Maybe I just figured if it was okay for you to speak as though everyone experienced the same things you did that I could do it too.
How do you think? I tried different things, AN worked better than anything else... so I came to the logical conclusion that the product that works better is the product that is better. Controversial, I'm sure.
I never claimed that it was better BECAUSE it was more expensive. I said that it was better, and that in my opinion you got what you paid for.
Why bother talking to people if you already know everything? You "know" what I have and haven't done without any actual evidence of any kind.
Which then begs the question why I would bother talking to you if there's no chance in hell that you'll believe anything I have to say since, as you and I have both stated, you already "know" things that you couldn't possible know even though these things contradict what I say.
I mean if talking to you accomplishes nothing because you've made your decision and that decision has nothing to do with anything I have or might say, what possible purpose might it serve?
Short answer is that this isn't for you. You've made it abundantly clear you don't care what I think - or say - so I'm simply returning the favor.
Glass houses...
Re-read the post you're complaining about. You'll find the word "if" in the allegedly offending sentence. This clearly means that under the condition that one part is true, the other is also true. There's nothing to say that you do or don't make those claims.
Obviously this whole post is more for everyone else, but I address you on the outside chance you decide to read anything I say for more reason than to simply find ways to pick it apart.
Big P
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That's pretty much just a cut and paste job right there... you "conclude that GH is the best" because you read something written by GH?
Actually no, since you want to lie while the truth is plainy readable right in my post, let me re-educate you on how to read.
in my post I said I concluded GH is one of the best because I talked to several people who have tried every nute imaginable over the years. And they suggested GH is one of the best they ever tried. Not to mention the fair price of this productas opposed to your favorite rip off brand
what I posted after that was some simple facts, which you seem to try to coverup becuase it does not fit with your ill-advised position.
really your problem is your trying to justify why you are getting ripped off by buying AN nutes. but all along this rocky road you travel all signs are pointing to the fact that you are gettin fleeced and butt raped for your money
Fact # 1: GH Flora is used by NASA, Argonne National Laboratory, Los Alamos National Laboratory and has been specified for research using hydroponics by Laboratories, Universities, Government Agencies, and Scientists throughout the world
Fact # 2: The General Hydroponics Flora Series is known throughout the world as the industry standard
Fact # 3: The Flora series is the result of the collective contributions of many famous scientists in the fields of hydroponics, agriculture and chemistry.
Why are you trying to mis inform the students learning on this website just because you find yourself on the shit end of the stick?
you wanna pay extra for the same thing or for somthing worse, you are welcome to do it, but pls dont advise others to do the same when there are better and cheaper alternatives out there. Its kind of selfish of you dont you think?
mared juwan
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hooked.on.ponics. I have no hostility towards you bro believe me. I have seen you around and for the most part you steer people right. It's just that I have seen you touting Advance as the only way to go in more than one place and I disagree. In fact the comments I was thinking of are from another thread but it did happen just as I said... Please read. https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/118943-do-you-use-dr-hornsbys.html Your aim seems to be to knock everything that is not AN and I don't like it, that is all. And I think I've made it abundantly clear that I DO care what you say. Saying AN is better hands-down is misleading to people who don't know better.
hooked.on.ponics
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I didn't lie. I called your post a cut-and-paste job BECAUSE IT IS.
Do you deny it's a word-for-word copy of this
https://www.grownhydro.com/flora-bloom-p-42.html?osCsid=b61bcb4db08da996cec75dece13e3496
and this
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/flora-bloom-hydroponics.html
That's GH advertising you're spouting off like it's the Holy freakin' Bible.
Oh I see. Other people said it's best so it must be true. Whatever.
No, what you posted was GH company line verbatim.
Appeal to tradition fallacy. Because something has been done that way it should be done that way.
Besides, government agencies are HARDLY the place to look for A: cost-effective spending practices or B: the right way to grow weed.
The government doesn't use something because it's the best. Hell, they don't use ANYTHING that's the best. People win government contracts based on money - usually money that magically finds its way into campaign funds.
Easy to say, hard to prove right or wrong. Standard advertising double-talk. Sounds great, says little.
Ah, because it's printed in an online advertisement of the product it must be a fact, right?
Makes me wish I were a salesman... you'd be my favorite customer.
Simply because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong. It's easy to want to believe that truth lives only within your own mind and that the whole world revolves around you, but it doesn't actually work that way.
Neither of us, by merit of simply being us, is correct or incorrect.
Selfish? You mean kind of like telling someone that they can't express an opinion you don't agree with? Perhaps.
I disagree with you, you disagree with me. The only difference between us is that I recognize that what I'm saying is my opinion. I'm not touting this as some incontrovertible fact. This is simply what I've found to be true in my experience.
It is equally as inappropriate for me to say that you should not post your opinions as it is for you to say I shouldn't post mine. The nature of a public forum is that everyone gets a voice. We don't have to agree. We don't have to like everything everyone else has to say.
But trying to censor me because you disagree with me isn't any different than the people who decide that MJ should be illegal because they disagree with those who don't.
I'm not wrong because I disagree with you any more than you're wrong because you disagree with me.
Big P
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post a pic of your grow ponics I posted pics of my grow. put your plants where your big mouth is, lets see if they are the same size
im tired of arguing in the school yard.
mared juwan
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Nobody is trying to censor anyone. Other people will read this thread besides you, me, and Big P. All I wanted is for them to see that I disagree with your opinion and I think it's weird that you put AN's logo in your avatar. I've accomplished that so I'm done.
And I will take up Big P's challenge even though I know he wasn't talking to me. I really hope to see your buds too, h.o.p. Here's what you get even if you DON'T use all AN products.... <GASP>
mared juwan
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No man. I'm on your side LOL. I use only one AN product and my point is that other stuff works just as well or better in combination. You don't need the entire line of AN stuff for it to work. All I use in flower is GH bloom, AN Big Bud, Ionic Boost, and Botanicare Liquid Karma and Calmag. That's four different brands I'm mixing. Try em all!!
hooked.on.ponics
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You're tired of arguing in the school yard, but you want to play "who's got the biggest dick"?post a pic of your grow ponics I posted pics of my grow. put your plants where your big mouth is, lets see if they are the same size
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That's a stupid game to play online. How do you know my pics would be mine? How do I know your pics are yours? Maybe we could both post pictures of ourselves holding our ID's up for the camera.
I haven't missed what's going on here. I wrote an intelligent post laying out my side of the issue quite nicely, I thought. And the response was what was "school yard" here. You took one look at my post, realized you had nothing to actually say in response, and immediately went to the equivalent of "oh yeah, well you stink!"
If you can't counter the argument, just try to distract everyone from it, eh?