Best overall breeder... Thoughts ?

PerroVerde

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I would have to add Mandala seeds. They have taken landrace lines and infused them into their own selection of hybrids. I have never been disappointed with a pack of Mandala seeds. They are not the most potent or flavor of the month but there are special in its own right... Just my two cents... :)
 

kmog33

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I'm the opposite, I prefer variations + vigor.
I like to do my own selections though...
Vigor is or isn't bred into a strain. Liking variation is one thing and that's totally opinion based. My point was that that kind of variation is random hybridization, strains by definition have stability and uniformity. That's why land races and true bred strains end up looking like this.



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shorelineOG

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Sam the Skunkman has to be the legend of the bunch right? Where would we be without his breeding from the seventies. It's been great to listen to him, and so many other trendsetters in the industry on Bubbleman's Hash Church.

As far as one of my favorites at the moment who is doing everything the way I imagine I would if I bred cannabis seeds, that has to be Ocean Grown Genetics and Vader OG. He is as transparent as can be on his YouTube channel, was personable and generous when I met him at the LA Cup last year, and produces the kind of cultivars I tend to want to smoke on the daily. Alien Rift for the win!!!
Was Sam a one hit wonder and what has he done lately? I think every "breeder" is doing a disservice to the gene pool. The guys like ken Estes, bodhi, swerve, og raskal, gage green and every other American grower with a good male and clone only females can make a hybrid better than any bullshit "breeder". Everything we were taught about breeding weed was a lie. What strains has Robert Clark made? The best breeder is yourself.
 

kmog33

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Was Sam a one hit wonder and what has he done lately? I think every "breeder" is doing a disservice to the gene pool. The guys like ken Estes, bodhi, swerve, og raskal, gage green and every other American grower with a good male and clone only females can make a hybrid better than any bullshit "breeder". Everything we were taught about breeding weed was a lie. What strains has Robert Clark made? The best breeder is yourself.
Every one of those listed has at least one stable strain lol, you plant the beans and they all look like they're supposed to. Bodhi is funny because he'll stabilize with two phenos intentionally. Swerve has some good genetics despite his shit business practices. Ken has GDP. These guys are actually making strains. Some of them just happen to also release the beans produced along the way that are unnecessary or unused for breeding. A lot of these guys sell their stable shit at a higher price tag than their f1s. Which make sense to me.


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shorelineOG

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As far as I know all of the guys listed who are putting out the best in the world use one or two males. Ken uses GDP in every cross. Raskal uses fire og and alien. Swerve uses sfv og. These guys don't work lines for years, and I'm glad they don't. DJ short puts out one strain every thirty five years. Ken and all the other guys I mentioned put out hybrids every other week and they are way better than an f4 would be. Why stop there, lets make an F 20. Chimera finally got smart and now he makes straight crosses using American clone only strains. The best clone only strains in the world have always been American bag seed from accidental pollination.
 

drolove

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My all time favorite is probably TGA then probably Reserva Privada / DNA behind that. G13 seeds have done me well in the past on some things but they are kinda hit or miss with their phenos. I used to really dig the Alphakronik lineup and was buddies with the owner Jay for a little bit, but he ended up turning into an ass so I don't really rep his stuff anymore.
 

Grojak

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As far as I know all of the guys listed who are putting out the best in the world use one or two males. Ken uses GDP in every cross. Raskal uses fire og and alien. Swerve uses sfv og. These guys don't work lines for years, and I'm glad they don't. DJ short puts out one strain every thirty five years. Ken and all the other guys I mentioned put out hybrids every other week and they are way better than an f4 would be. Why stop there, lets make an F 20. Chimera finally got smart and now he makes straight crosses using American clone only strains. The best clone only strains in the world have always been American bag seed from accidental pollination.

Are you actually saying polyhybrids from chuckers are better than true breeding stains? Really?
 

Beemo

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Are you actually saying polyhybrids from chuckers are better than true breeding stains? Really?
YUP... I am saying that....
i stay away from inbreeds... especially a f20 lol....
cousins + cousins = a good chance in r tard babies...
not wasting my time anything above f2.... im pheno hunting...
 

althor

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He asked for breeders, not pollen chucking closet hacks.


If you're asking who the best of the best true breeders are nowadays? Chimera makes the list...DJ Short's son JD is starting to run with some of the old lines and try to get them back to their former glory, so worth a look...Tom Hill is another legend who is the haze expert...and of course Shanti's still cranking them out too last I checked.

In terms of pollen chuckers, Bodhi comes to mind certainly...BOG puts out reliable, consistent stock...CSG (Connoisseur Genetics) and specifically OJD does great work as well. None of these (nor 99% of the people who most folks consider "breeders") are actually breeders in the traditional sense of the word, meaning that they are making their selections from a very small pool comparatively speaking. The Chimeras, Tom Hills, and the like are selecting from literally hundreds or thousands of plants at a time, which requires a lot more space and expertise. That doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the gear that the "pollen chuckers" are producing, but also keep in mind that without a doubt, the MAJORITY of "seed companies" and "breeders" selling seeds online are fly-by-night operations with weak genetic pools and poor business practices overall.
Wow, JD just licked the milk off his upper lip and popped a few of his dad's strains and now he is on the BEST BREEDER LIST... interesting.
 

Grojak

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YUP... I am saying that....
i stay away from inbreeds... especially a f20 lol....
cousins + cousins = a good chance in r tard babies...
not wasting my time anything above f2.... im pheno hunting...
Absolute rubbish… but to each their own… enjoy your hermie prone polyhybrid crosses… not that I don't have any in my collection but I prefer tried and true genetics… that said I won't deny there is gold in poly's I prefer better odds and for breeding purposes better strains.
 

kmog33

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YUP... I am saying that....
i stay away from inbreeds... especially a f20 lol....
cousins + cousins = a good chance in r tard babies...
not wasting my time anything above f2.... im pheno hunting...
That is not exactly how it works....

And f20? If you're crossing that many generations and have not hit s1 your a terrible breeder. And you wouldn't have to waste time "pheno hunting" if you knew the pheno you were going to get already lol.

Plants are not people, inbreeding is not even remotely close to the same thing. The next time you can have 10000 kids at once with the variation plants do, your argument will become a valid one.

Also, inbreeding a strain and crossing a new one are not necessarily the same. You can cross out 5 generations before you start back crossing it. And I'm pretty sure at that point inbreeding in people doesn't even cause all that many problems. We're all technically inbred at somepoint.


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Beemo

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Absolute rubbish… but to each their own… enjoy your hermie prone polyhybrid crosses… not that I don't have any in my collection but I prefer tried and true genetics… that said I won't deny there is gold in poly's I prefer better odds and for breeding purposes better strains.
cool... watch out for your mutants...
i definitely proud to say i dont have any f2 or above in my vault....
 

Beemo

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We're all technically inbred at somepoint.
thats what i said before... a breeder once told me... everything we have now, is from the handful of seed companies when this first started....
so yeah. technically everything is inbred... thats why i go for polys....
 
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kmog33

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As far as I know all of the guys listed who are putting out the best in the world use one or two males. Ken uses GDP in every cross. Raskal uses fire og and alien. Swerve uses sfv og. These guys don't work lines for years, and I'm glad they don't. DJ short puts out one strain every thirty five years. Ken and all the other guys I mentioned put out hybrids every other week and they are way better than an f4 would be. Why stop there, lets make an F 20. Chimera finally got smart and now he makes straight crosses using American clone only strains. The best clone only strains in the world have always been American bag seed from accidental pollination.
Len worked that GDP for a long time. Bodhi goes and finds strains to work into his crosses and has a few true strains. Swerve is a douche and got lucky with gifted/stolen genetics, but the Buddha Tahoe cc puts out is fairly stable and uniform. Nugs all look/smell the same. I think I saw 1 mutant pheno in the 30 or so I ran from them(which is where clone onlys come from, genetic drift in true strains). Raskal has raskals og and rd1 and alien kush. They all have and use worked strains, they just also really their pollen chucked gear along the way as well. Makes tons of cash.

Most of the genetic instability in new strains these days is because breeders have take the most mutant, inbred, jenky, unstable genetics and bxd them because the nug was fire.


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kmog33

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pheno hunting look it up....
why would i call it pheno hunting on chuckers? if i supposly knew what i was getting in true breeding... it wouldnt be called

thats what i said before... a breeder once told me... everything we have now, is from the handful of seed companies when this first started....
so yeah. technically everything is inbred... thats why i go for polys....
What's the point of hunting for a phenotype? To get one is as fire as the breeders? To get one with the cookie Dom pheno? Or the og leaning pheno? That would be really stupid if you could just go say....buy those phenotype representations and know that out of the $100 you spent on that pack of beans will all turn out the way that you want...right?

And my point was is you trace people genetics back were all inbred. I forgot how many generations you have to go through before the negative effects of inbreeding are negligible, but i do know that it's a lot closer in relation than anyone likes to admit or think about.



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genuity

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So what "breeders" are putting out what some call stable plantspecies, like clone in seed form....

I know this honeybee f2"pollen chuck" looks like a true breed strain....
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This was found by me,in the f1 honeybee..

No real selection process, just hit the best female out the group,we its what I think is the best male...we can all do that.
It's not much thought to it....it's more about "breeder" infatuation.
 

Grojak

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cool... watch out for your mutants...
i definitely proud to say i dont have any f2 or above in my vault....
You're proving to be an idiot with no personal experience… you want to talk mutants? GTFO you're polyhybrid shit will prove much more prone to mutants, hermies and overall poor health in plants… go grow some TGA and see what ya get… I'll be over here popping something that's been worked, by breeders who don't release crosses that hermie and actually grow them out have them grown out by others and tested before ever releasing them.
 
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