Best overall breeder... Thoughts ?

THCbreeder

THCbreeder

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Who has impacted the industry more or preserved genetics. Trustworthy , quality , transparency in their work ? Not every era is the same so let's just say 1990-2000 era ? 2000-2010 era ? And in 6 years of this era whose it 2010-2016 so far . Just want simple honest answers . So many breeders so many to choose from . Just a thoughtful question that arised in my mind
 
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SSHZ

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Nevil is considered the "father" of modern-day breeding pot by many, and I'd have to agree. Most of today's strains have his genetics from the 1980's in their history somewhere.

If you are looking from someone in today's world, ask 100 people and you'll get 75 different answers. Everyone has a different favorite.
It really doesn't matter anymore, as most breeders steal others genetics to combine with their own stuff looking for the Holy Grail.
 
THCbreeder

THCbreeder

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SSHZ said:
Nevil is considered the "father" of modern-day breeding pot by many, and I'd have to agree. Most of today's strains have his genetics from the 1980's in their history somewhere.

If you are looking from someone in today's world, ask 100 people and you'll get 75 different answers. Everyone has a different favorite.
It really doesn't matter anymore, as most breeders steal others genetics to combine with their own stuff looking for the Holy Grail.
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Or flavor of the month
 
lawlrus

lawlrus

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bict said:
I really like Humboldt seeds.
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He asked for breeders, not pollen chucking closet hacks.


If you're asking who the best of the best true breeders are nowadays? Chimera makes the list...DJ Short's son JD is starting to run with some of the old lines and try to get them back to their former glory, so worth a look...Tom Hill is another legend who is the haze expert...and of course Shanti's still cranking them out too last I checked.

In terms of pollen chuckers, Bodhi comes to mind certainly...BOG puts out reliable, consistent stock...CSG (Connoisseur Genetics) and specifically OJD does great work as well. None of these (nor 99% of the people who most folks consider "breeders") are actually breeders in the traditional sense of the word, meaning that they are making their selections from a very small pool comparatively speaking. The Chimeras, Tom Hills, and the like are selecting from literally hundreds or thousands of plants at a time, which requires a lot more space and expertise. That doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the gear that the "pollen chuckers" are producing, but also keep in mind that without a doubt, the MAJORITY of "seed companies" and "breeders" selling seeds online are fly-by-night operations with weak genetic pools and poor business practices overall.
 
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greywind

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Sam the Skunkman has to be the legend of the bunch right? Where would we be without his breeding from the seventies. It's been great to listen to him, and so many other trendsetters in the industry on Bubbleman's Hash Church.

As far as one of my favorites at the moment who is doing everything the way I imagine I would if I bred cannabis seeds, that has to be Ocean Grown Genetics and Vader OG. He is as transparent as can be on his YouTube channel, was personable and generous when I met him at the LA Cup last year, and produces the kind of cultivars I tend to want to smoke on the daily. Alien Rift for the win!!!
 
loquacious

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lawlrus said:
He asked for breeders, not pollen chucking closet hacks.


If you're asking who the best of the best true breeders are nowadays? Chimera makes the list...DJ Short's son JD is starting to run with some of the old lines and try to get them back to their former glory, so worth a look...Tom Hill is another legend who is the haze expert...and of course Shanti's still cranking them out too last I checked.

In terms of pollen chuckers, Bodhi comes to mind certainly...BOG puts out reliable, consistent stock...CSG (Connoisseur Genetics) and specifically OJD does great work as well. None of these (nor 99% of the people who most folks consider "breeders") are actually breeders in the traditional sense of the word, meaning that they are making their selections from a very small pool comparatively speaking. The Chimeras, Tom Hills, and the like are selecting from literally hundreds or thousands of plants at a time, which requires a lot more space and expertise. That doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the gear that the "pollen chuckers" are producing, but also keep in mind that without a doubt, the MAJORITY of "seed companies" and "breeders" selling seeds online are fly-by-night operations with weak genetic pools and poor business practices overall.
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I just had to reply to this as there is very little knowledge in what you are saying. Most of these companies are fly by night?! Which ones are they? I have bought a lot of seeds from Nirvana, DNA, Dinafem, Humboldt, Barney's, TH seeds, BC Bud, Cali Connection, Delicious, Female seeds, GGG, G13, Reserva Privada, and TGA. Every last seed cracked without a hermie one! The strains I bought were very stable and some were amazing producers and others had great smoke. The longer I have grown, the more I have realized that 95% or higher, it is the grower who fucks everything up and not the breeder's genetics.
 
lawlrus

lawlrus

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loquacious said:
I just had to reply to this as there is very little knowledge in what you are saying. Most of these companies are fly by night?! Which ones are they? I have bought a lot of seeds from Nirvana, DNA, Dinafem, Humboldt, Barney's, TH seeds, BC Bud, Cali Connection, Delicious, Female seeds, GGG, G13, Reserva Privada, and TGA. Every last seed cracked without a hermie one! The strains I bought were very stable and some were amazing producers and others had great smoke. The longer I have grown, the more I have realized that 95% or higher, it is the grower who fucks everything up and not the breeder's genetics.
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You just named 14 companies out of hundreds or perhaps thousands at this point. Maybe you don't know what "fly by night" refers to or maybe you don't realize that new "seed companies" and "breeders" spring up literally every single day on the internet. I suggest you make sure that your level of understanding is on point before questioning the knowledge of others in the future.

I don't disagree that user error is to blame for many issues, but that in addition to most of your post have nothing to do with my original comment.
 
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D_Urbmon

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lawlrus said:
He asked for breeders, not pollen chucking closet hacks.


If you're asking who the best of the best true breeders are nowadays? Chimera makes the list...DJ Short's son JD is starting to run with some of the old lines and try to get them back to their former glory, so worth a look...Tom Hill is another legend who is the haze expert...and of course Shanti's still cranking them out too last I checked.

In terms of pollen chuckers, Bodhi comes to mind certainly...BOG puts out reliable, consistent stock...CSG (Connoisseur Genetics) and specifically OJD does great work as well. None of these (nor 99% of the people who most folks consider "breeders") are actually breeders in the traditional sense of the word, meaning that they are making their selections from a very small pool comparatively speaking. The Chimeras, Tom Hills, and the like are selecting from literally hundreds or thousands of plants at a time, which requires a lot more space and expertise. That doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the gear that the "pollen chuckers" are producing, but also keep in mind that without a doubt, the MAJORITY of "seed companies" and "breeders" selling seeds online are fly-by-night operations with weak genetic pools and poor business practices overall.
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I guess there is a fine line between pollen chucking and breeding eh. Where exactly is the line? Not to necessarily agree nor disagree just sharing my thoughts. While yes someone like Bodhi puts out a ton of crosses with lots of clones onlies I don't necessarily consider him a pollen chucker(I don't know enough about BOG of CSG to comment on them). To me a chucker is someone like me who just lets the pollen fly. Find a few random dudes, pollinate a few random ladies from seed and bam I got some seeds to play with. No testing or working lines. A lot of the "chuckers" you mentioned at least find studs and mother cuts which must take some selection and in house testing work. And then sometimes it goes a bit further to public testing. But you are correct in that doing selections from large pools and working certain traits into or out of a line takes a certain knowledge/experience and is in best breeding practice, but one does not need to work with massive gene pools to be considered a breeder imo. It can be done with lesser plants but to me a breeder is someone who at very least works and tests their lines. And the better ones select and injects or removes certain traits from a line and have larger gene pools to play with.
 
Brian Savage

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I have honestly gotten absolutely great results from TGA seeds. I am a legal Canadian patient and grower and I have grown upwards of 100 varieties. TGA subcool's descriptions were very honest for the most part and all of the packs had at least 1 absolutely standout female (most having multiple 'keepers'). I love Pandora's Box, Jillybean, Vortex and Plushberry!! If you like fruit flavors/smells TGA is the top of the mark in my humble opinion.
I have also got great results from DNA Genetics and have come to trust them as my go to for fem seeds.
Chimera and Soma also must get some mention as great breeders with great products however it has been over 5 years since I've grown anything by either.
 
kmog33

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What's sad is that honestly the last true bred strain I can think of is DJ shorts blueberry. Consistent every time, not much of variation at all. A true bred line. Takes forever to do, so we have a bunch of growers with fire cuts crossing them with whatever males they have around slanging beans f1 beans as strains with crazy variation so everyone thinks that pheno hunting is a thing with strains. And the thing is, it's not. F1s are messy/lazy crosses and do not constitute new strains. But that's what we get, we pay for them so...


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topcat

topcat

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Lawrence Ringo, RIP. I have no experience, I just know of his work with high CBD strains. I watched a youtube video of him speaking on a panel at the Emerald Cup a couple years ago. He sounds like he was a compassionate humanitarian.
 
green217

green217

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RP gear at least the POG is great. I only fuck with one breeder though, and that's breeders Boutique, I made my first order from them a few years back and I've never ordered from another Seed Company since. They got some great genetics, I keep the best bud in my area and I atribute that directly to BB genetics.
 
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