Barney's Farm LSD

Thundercat said:

I think your hypothesis about not enough light penetration is probably spot on. When you lower your plant numbers next time I would consider not vegging longer. If you veg longer you might end up with huge plants again. If you veg the same or even less amount of time, the plants might grow smaller, but you will have better canopy penetration and a faster turn over. Scrogs are awesome, and you don't really have to veg drastically longer to run one, especially with as much growth as you are getting from this system.

Wow a gram a day between 2 people, I wish I could stretch weed that far .

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If I get high during the day nothing is getting done and I'm not leaving the house. We do smoke more than a gram per day on the weekends. I ordered some more LEDs to increase my wattage, four LED strips and a new driver. My dad is going make an aluminium fixture for me and wire it up so that mounts to my HLG300. Should get my wattage up to around 465.

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question... you said you don't need to veg longer. Do you not want to make sure your canopy is 100% full prior to starting flower?

800lbGuerrilla said:

Nice looking grow, LG!!!


I have some tomatoes that I started from seed in a hydroton hempy bucket that are doing great. My friends keep asking me what my secret is and I keep telling them, "I don't know how to grow in dirt". :/

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If I had a bigger tent, I'd definitely have some tomatoes and peppers going.

Laughing Grass said:

question... you said you don't need to veg longer. Do you not want to make sure your canopy is 100% full prior to starting flower?

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Ideally, you want to plan ahead for how you want your plant to grow out. If you are scroging then you would want to put the screen about a foot above your plants, and once they hit the screen weave them through it until about 75% is filled. That way when you switch your lights, you can keep weaving it until you see flowers forming. At which point your screen should be totally full, and basically a layer of bud sites. It doesn't always take tons of veg time.

You've been vegging basically till the area is full right? Then switching to 12/12, and the plants have been stretching like crazy. If you cut your veg time in half, the plants wouldn't get as large and unwieldy and the light would reach all the way to the bottom layers of growth.

I'm all about minimal veg to achieve a set goal. I honestly bet you could put one plant in the middle of your tent, and scrog it to fill the screen with the same veg time, maybe even less.

Basically you're taking advantage of the horizontal plane rather than growing them vertically, here I have 6 going, 2 are seedlings I just put in there for the hell of it, 3 in the front are mainlined shitty genetics and the big bushy plant in back is one plant vigorous grower, I just flipped to flower few days ago. My first run with this setup so I've just been dialing enviroment in and learning the new setup, had a few setbacks but I think I have it figured out for one hell of a run the next go at it.

Axion42 said:

Basically you're taking advantage of the horizontal plane rather than growing them vertically, here I have 6 going, 2 are seedlings I just put in there for the hell of it, 3 in the front are mainlined shitty genetics and the big bushy plant in back is one plant vigorous grower, I just flipped to flower few days ago. My first run with this setup so I've just been dialing enviroment in and learning the new setup, had a few setbacks but I think I have it figured out for one hell of a run the next go at it.
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The big one looks great, keep tucking it for the first couple weeks and it will totally control the canopy height!

Thundercat said:

The big one looks great, keep tucking it for the first couple weeks and it will totally control the canopy height!

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Thanks, yah I'm really happy with that genetic so far. I took cuttings from it before I flipped so based off how the flowers turn out I may be running 6 of those next run, should fill canopy rather quick.

Thundercat said:

Ideally, you want to plan ahead for how you want your plant to grow out. If you are scroging then you would want to put the screen about a foot above your plants, and once they hit the screen weave them through it until about 75% is filled. That way when you switch your lights, you can keep weaving it until you see flowers forming. At which point your screen should be totally full, and basically a layer of bud sites. It doesn't always take tons of veg time.

You've been vegging basically till the area is full right? Then switching to 12/12, and the plants have been stretching like crazy. If you cut your veg time in half, the plants wouldn't get as large and unwieldy and the light would reach all the way to the bottom layers of growth.

I'm all about minimal veg to achieve a set goal. I honestly bet you could put one plant in the middle of your tent, and scrog it to fill the screen with the same veg time, maybe even less.

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Here's a pic of them right before I started flowering. They were between 8-10" tall and filled out the canopy nicely. I think I was five weeks from seed when I flipped to flower. I did think about doing one plant, but I've found that I've gotten at least one under achiever plant in each batch and knowing my luck that would be the one plant I choose.

I understood scrogging wrong, I thought you filled out the entire canopy and then let it go into flowering. Are you okay to go into flower with plants that aren't fully mature? I mean I had two plants this time that didn't have the alternating nodes when I went into flower. It just so happens that those were my tallest plants.

Axion42 said:

Basically you're taking advantage of the horizontal plane rather than growing them vertically, here I have 6 going, 2 are seedlings I just put in there for the hell of it, 3 in the front are mainlined shitty genetics and the big bushy plant in back is one plant vigorous grower, I just flipped to flower few days ago. My first run with this setup so I've just been dialing enviroment in and learning the new setup, had a few setbacks but I think I have it figured out for one hell of a run the next go at it.
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Well done. They are very healthy looking.

LED upgrade arrived today. That's pretty fast! I ordered them Sunday night.

Woo hoo nice strips .

You can go into fower whenever you want, they just won't start to actually flower until they are mature. If you are working from clones in the future it will eliminate about half of your worries. Clones are typically fully matured, and can be flowered very quickly.

I think having more light will probably help, getting you more penetration so they don't stretch as much. I'm all about keeping lights as close as possible to plants, to help keep the growth tight for less stretch and more penetration. It ends up being about finding the sweet spot, and I think your new strips will improve your sweet spot .

Now lets see if my dads electrical skills match his confidence. I'm a bit skeptical. Do you think the single light is enough for vegging? I was thinking of only using the extra four strips for flowering. Maybe save a little electricity.

Watching them this time I was thinking that they stretch until they were showing the alternating nodes then stretched more into flower. Must have been a coincidence that the two least mature plants stretched the most. With these new strips I should be hitting around 51 watts per square foot. I remember reading somewhere, maybe here that 50 was the ideal for flowering.

Laughing Grass said:

Now lets see if my dads electrical skills match his confidence. I'm a bit skeptical. Do you think the single light is enough for vegging? I was thinking of only using the extra four strips for flowering. Maybe save a little electricity.

Watching them this time I was thinking that they stretch until they were showing the alternating nodes then stretched more into flower. Must have been a coincidence that the two least mature plants stretched the most. With these new strips I should be hitting around 51 watts per square foot. I remember reading somewhere, maybe here that 50 was the ideal for flowering.

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I"m sure your regular light is fine to veg, and use the extra for flower. I would try experimenting with getting the light lower to the plants to help reduce the stretch. Lowering the light closer has a similar effect as adding more wattage if you still are covering the whole canopy. Lots of people run their LEDs only 12ish inches above the canopy. It all depends on how much your plants want/can take.