Atheists

james76208 · May 3, 2012

ok im not religious but im pretty sure a guy named jesus existed as in walked the earth kinda lot info em

overgrowem · May 3, 2012

Heisenberg said:
You don't think placing an object in hiding and then asking the viewer to describe it is a valid test? What exactly did they do when they found the airplane? Was it not hidden somewhere and they were asked to see it?

As for the secret evidence, I am simply asking you to point to the reports you talk about. If it was widely reported, this should be an easy task. Also any controlled scientific test must be reported somewhere, link please?

I've answered this,they hid objects and some people were able to beat random chance.I didn't say the tests not valid .I said doing it for a magicin in a nightclub is not valid.When they located the plane I'm sure they went there to get recorders,loose bombs, bodies,etc..As for reports links,etc..I'm not the skeptic ,you are ,do your own homework as U said easy..
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ginjawarrior · May 3, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Avoid my argument with an insult to my intelligence, good thinking! though when people catch on to that it kinda makes you look stupid...

you showed you were closed minded to even understand what he was getting at...?

you claim to have intelligence to insult?

Heisenberg · May 3, 2012

overgrowem said:
I've answered this,they hid objects and some people were able to beat random chance.I didn't say the tests not valid .I said doing it for a magicin in a nightclub is not valid.When they located the plane I'm sure they went there to get recorders,loose bombs, bodies,etc..As for reports links,etc..I'm not the skeptic ,you are ,do your own homework as U said easy..
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The burden of proof falls on the party making the claim. Why should it be up to any of us to vet your sources, especially when you wont provide them? I can just as easily say, it was widely reported that the airplane was never found, and that scientific testing has shown remote viewing to be worse than random chance. If I do not back these statements up, they mean nothing. Also, I said nothing about a nightclub. I said a number of people keep objects hidden away and publicly ask for ANY remote viewer to describe it, some offer a cash reward.

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 3, 2012

Heisenberg said:
If it's silly to think that, then you must be silly yourself. Millions of people believe in Jesus and make claims to have seen and experienced him. If just one of them is right, it would go against your view of reality.

Yes, compare completely plausible claims (plausible to you, realistic to me) to the millions that believe in a fairy tale. Totally shows the logic of my thinking<--- sarcasm... Nice try though... Btw I believe that Jesus may have indeed existed, not under the name Jesus of course. Theres too many characters that have been born on dec 25th, died on the cross, came back to life and ascended into heaven. Jesus just happens to be the most recent interpretation of that character, a very stupid interpretation.

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 3, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
you showed you were closed minded to even understand what he was getting at...?

you claim to have intelligence to insult?

twice you used that tactic... Boy your smart =) Ima wait for you to do it a third time, since the nature of oblivious blind fools is predictable.

ginjawarrior · May 3, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
twice you used that tactic... Boy your smart =) Ima wait for you to do it a third time, since the nature of oblivious blind fools is predictable.

you had a nice little cartoon to watch, the person speaking by your own admission was "well spoken" yet you did not understand him

what do you want a cookie or something?

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 3, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
you had a nice little cartoon to watch, the person speaking by your own admission was "well spoken" yet you did not understand him

what do you want a cookie or something?

xD you did it a third time! I got you dancing like a puppet now, lets see if he goes in for number four.

james76208 · May 3, 2012

lol the video was just to explain both mindsets right

mindphuk · May 3, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Yes, compare completely plausible claims (plausible to you, realistic to me) to the millions that believe in a fairy tale. Totally shows the logic of my thinking<--- sarcasm... Nice try though... Btw I believe that Jesus may have indeed existed, not under the name Jesus of course. Theres too many characters that have been born on dec 25th, died on the cross, came back to life and ascended into heaven. Jesus just happens to be the most recent interpretation of that character, a very stupid interpretation.

So an appeal to popularity is only valid when it's an idea you already believe is plausible.. Yea, sure, right. :roll:

Still waiting on you to answer my posts but I assume you will continue to ignore them seeing as how you actually don't have any responses besides ridicule and insults.

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 3, 2012

Yeah... "you're closed minded!... NO, you didnt consider the possibilities so YOU'RE closed minded" thats an argument that goes nowhere.

ginjawarrior · May 3, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
i do believe there is the third option of "dribbling idiot"

but all fun and games aside your accession awaits collect your uniform from the table on the left and move into the holding area where we will be serving refreshments to rdy ourselves for the final step to the dimensions beyond

ginjawarrior said:
you really had no idea at all what he was saying did you?

ginjawarrior said:
you showed you were closed minded to even understand what he was getting at...?

you claim to have intelligence to insult?

ginjawarrior said:
you had a nice little cartoon to watch, the person speaking by your own admission was "well spoken" yet you did not understand him

what do you want a cookie or something?

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
xD you did it a third time! I got you dancing like a puppet now, lets see if he goes in for number four.

i believe i've insulted your intelligence 4 times tonight already.. this will be number 5

no wonder you wanted more math taught in school

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 3, 2012

mindphuk said:
So an appeal to popularity is only valid when it's an idea you already believe is plausible.. Yea, sure, right.

Still waiting on you to answer my posts but I assume you will continue to ignore them seeing as how you actually don't have any responses besides ridicule and insults.

We just need one more member of the Smarty-Pants's here and you guys will be complete lol

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 3, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
i believe i've insulted your intelligence 4 times tonight already.. this will be number 5

no wonder you wanted more math taught in school

The insult count started when I stated you avoided my argument with an insult... That brings us back to four =) ... Nice try though, you tried hard on that one! A+ for effort!

cannofbliss · May 3, 2012

oh well f this... wow have i wasted my time on you guys...

cause apparently any time i post something with any real substance or logic and reason... it just apparently zooms right past you...

and also you guys obviously have nothing to offer in retort to any of my statements, and nothing to offer with having any method of a viable defense for your ideologies...

have fun makin up meaningless shit to argue about... (to theological crowd)...

i think ill go and just start posting meaningless shit in tnt from now on... cause this is just fing stupid... why do i bother trying to have a real debate when all is happening is blah blah and NONE of you can OWN up to your "claims"...

later... to the religious crowd here... dont expect the same "credulousness" that you guys apparently have, with regards to having anyone believe in the crap i see coming from your so called "arguments"... the lack of them having ANY real substance OR credibility... have really bored the shit out of me... :sleep:

let me know when you come up with something "original" and substantially credible... then we'll talk...

later...

ginjawarrior · May 3, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
The insult count started when I stated you avoided my argument with an insult... That brings us back to four =) ... Nice try though, you tried hard on that one! A+ for effort!

now who's dancing?

Padawanbater2 · May 3, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
I told Doer (think thats his name) of my spiritually gifted friend and his mind reading abilities, I already abolished his explanation of micro-expressions that many con-artists use to trick people. I told this story too many times on here already, only about three times but still its a long story. Basically the short story is that this kid who I thought was fucking bonkers answered a question that I THOUGHT of on a silent walk to get some weed. On the walk back I was freakin out that this kid was able to read my mind (I looked composed though) and so my anxiety lead me to shameful thoughts that I didnt want him knowing and by me thinking those shameful thoughts I knew that he knew those thoughts so my mind became panicked. Near the end of that silent walk he turned to me and said "your faults are what define you, they are the diamond of your being". Those words put me at ease because theres almost no judgement to this guy... Unless your christian, then he hates you.
I no longer thought of him as a nutcase and communicated with him through thought on multiple occasion, cant hear his thoughts though. I've experienced more than mind reading with him, mind reading is not even that impressive after I experienced what else he could do. I tried my best to get him to make this knowledge public but he doesnt want the attention I guess, just willing to spread his knowledge to a select few.
Well if you didnt think I was crazy before, I bet you do now xD

How old were you when that happened? Age can be a factor. What question did you have in your mind and what was his answer? How can you conclude from that that he "read your mind"? As unlikely as it is for him to simply have been thinking about the exact same thing as you at that exact moment in time, it is infinitely more likely than what you're proposing.

What exactly did you interpret his quote to mean?

You 'communicated' through thought, but you couldn't hear his thoughts? How were you communicating with him exactly?

What else can he do?

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Calling me crazy or a liar is really the only way to dismiss these events.

Or, as I suspect, you're either unaware of the mechanisms fused in your physiology that simply trick your mind, as easily demonstrated multiple times, an example being something as basic as our ancestors ability to distinguish between the different sounds predators make and the wind in their environment, beneficial for survival, to today, your ability to distinguish between a bus and a bike without looking, beneficial for survival. All 5 of your senses are subject to change under different circumstances. I'm sure you've even experienced it yourself. Smoking weed alters your state of mind, drinking alcohol alters your state of mind and body, taste, touch, sight, smell, sound, all of them can be altered, this is a fact, there for you can't rely on only them to determine the truth about reality. This is why science is so useful.

james76208 said:
so what would someone call an atheist that believes in ghost

Confused

james76208 · May 3, 2012

confused would be a slight understatment

Chief Walkin Eagle · May 3, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
now who's dancing?

Still you, Cpt. Oblivious lol

mindphuk · May 3, 2012

Chief Walkin Eagle said:
We just need one more member of the Smarty-Pants's here and you guys will be complete lol

Anyone else find this ironic after I accuse him of using ridicule as a substitute for actual discussion?

Chief, incessantly attacking me and others that are asking you questions and trying to have a conversation is not going to help anyone understand your position. Personally, I think I have been very forthcoming and thorough in my responses to you and what I typically get is a single line response that attempts to portray me as the villain because I am skeptical. If you have nothing to contribute to a dialogue then why are you here? Do you only care to converse with like-minded people and banish anyone that questions what you believe? Then there are plenty of websites that cater to that, this is not the place for you.

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