Arizona Pastor Beaten and Tasered By Border Patrol

"This is Pastor Andersons story of recently being beaten and tased by boarder patrol when he was stopped at a checkpoint. He tried to claim his right to not be searched without a warrant and was detained and then given a vicious beating. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ad9mfRNiM&feature=channel_page


Yep, welcome to a police state.

it makes you feel real sorry for a cop or border patrol agent when they get shot in the head.
do you know how hard it would be to track down a gomez or diaz in arizona for a little pay back after hours on the cops and border patrol agents?
he has one hell of a law suit it sounds like.
if he has no witness's he is basicly screwed and will see no justice.
i wonder why people are going to court houses these days and killing cops and judges? a huge mystery isnt it?

stringtheory said:

"This is Pastor Andersons story of recently being beaten and tased by boarder patrol when he was stopped at a checkpoint. He tried to claim his right to not be searched without a warrant and was detained and then given a vicious beating. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ad9mfRNiM&feature=channel_page


Yep, welcome to a police state.

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Stringtheory,

First of all when you get your Drivers License you sign off on a thing called "implied consent" on the License form. What that means is you MUST allow a Peace Officer to stop you at a check point and you MUST submit to a blood, breath, or alcohol test if you are suspected of Drunk Driving. Driving is a privilege not a right. It has ALWAYS been that way. Any 16 year old kid in High School Driver’s Education knows this. It’s in the Driver’s Handbook too.

Max,

You are way out in left field.

The forth amendment over-rules the drivers handbook.

Your right to travel has been desided in plenty of court cases. The "laws" about it being a privledge are wrong they arn't laws either they are regulations/codes not law there is a difrence. You can follow the regulations and still be in violation of the law. Believe me I know prison guards who followed regulations and are in prison now for it.

Case # 1 - "Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience. - Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago 169 NE 22
("Regulated" here means traffic safety enforcement, stop lights, signs, etc. NOT a privilege that requires permission i.e.- licensing, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, etc.)

Case # 2 - "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."- Thompson v Smith 154 SE 579.

It could not be stated more conclusively that Citizens of the states have a right to travel, without approval or restriction, (license,) and that this right is protected under the U.S. Constitution. Here are other court
decisions that expound the same facts:

Case # 3 - "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th Amendment." - Kent v Dulles, 357 U.S. 116, 125.

Case # 4 - "Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal Liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the
territory of any State is a right secured by the l4th Amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." - Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Traveling down the road is not reason enouph for a search and refusing to comply with an unlawful order is not probable cause. Unless you like fascism in which case yeah we all need to show our papers everywhere all the time.

We can argue this back and forth all day but it really comes down to what kind of country we want to live in and the slipery slopes we are on. Did our forfathers want a nation you could not travel freely about in?

The thing is.... he wasn't traveling about in this country. He was crossing the border. From another country. The rules are different these days... and even though they're not right, we have to play their game for awhile.

CanadianCoyote said:

The thing is.... he wasn't traveling about in this country. He was crossing the border. From another country. The rules are different these days... and even though they're not right, we have to play their game for awhile.

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Actually, seeings as the border is well the border, it can not be expected that US Law is established at the border.

Besides, it's absurd for the priest to think that he could leave the country and come back with out being searched. That'd be like a Muslim expecting to be able to leave the country and come back with out being searched. Completely absurd.

Who knows what kind of weapons would be brought back if that were the case. Or even worse, Muslims hold a family hostage in return for a family member's cooperation in smuggling weapons, because they won't be searched.

The priest was in the wrong, at least as far as it being the border.

If this had happened with in the US, then the law enforcement would be wrong.

CanadianCoyote said:

The thing is.... he wasn't traveling about in this country. He was crossing the border. From another country. The rules are different these days... and even though they're not right, we have to play their game for awhile.

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Wrong. If you actually listen to what the man says, he has not crossed the border. The DHS is conducting suspicion-less checks well inside our borders.


You drive up to this checkpoint and they say 'hi i'm with the DHS doing immigration checks, what country are you a citizen of please?'

you are under no obligation to respond to this. its illegal. fuck dhs and everybody in it. we live in the united states of america, not china.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYJVn2k6zU

thats just a random video of these checkpoints, they didnt really bother him too much on this one, but watch the rest of his series and you will see how these clowns operate

ScubaSteve said:

Wrong. If you actually listen to what the man says, he has not crossed the border. The DHS is conducting suspicion-less checks well inside our borders.


You drive up to this checkpoint and they say 'hi i'm with the DHS doing immigration checks, what country are you a citizen of please?'

you are under no obligation to respond to this. its illegal. fuck dhs and everybody in it. we live in the united states of america, not china.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYJVn2k6zU

thats just a random video of these checkpoints, they didnt really bother him too much on this one, but watch the rest of his series and you will see how these clowns operate

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I blame Barack Clinton, or Hillary Obama, either both of those bitches. If they would stop trying to blame the US for the problems at the border and actually attempt to resolve the problems by stationing troops there.

Then there's the fact that there's cities like San Diege and San Francisco that are doing idiotic BS like claiming to be "Sanction" cities, and refusing to enforce US Law regarding immunization and naturalization.

Of course, this entire situation goes back to the idiocy forced upon Reagan by the left when he granted amnesty to the illegals.

What we need is another President like the one that sent Pershing to the border to handle Pancho Villa with an entire Army Brigade or Battalion.



But yeah, totally fucked up situation. I hope he sues the shit out of the Border Patrol.

Though this has the feeling of a deposition.

I don't think he did cross the border watch it agien.

He was going from San Deigo to Phenix he was in a suspisionless internal checkpoint.

ilkhan said:

I don't think he did cross the border watch it agien.

He was going from San Deigo to Phenix he was in a suspisionless internal checkpoint.

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Yeah, that's the impression I got after watching it a second time. I think he needs to sue the shit out of the Federal Government, and Arizona for Criminal Negligence in that they allowed the Border Patrol to operate inside their territory.

Or whatever State the internal checkpoint was in.

I really didn't think the guy was hard to understand. He was traveling from San Diego to Pheonix and went through a checkpoint, was not crossing the border. He was not suspected of a DUI, it was a random checkpoint in which they said a dog signaled there were either drugs or a person in the trunk. Which there wasn't
If your reaction is anything like Northwestbuds you obviously don't understand the significance of an arrest like this and how they handled it is a sign of what is to come.

the cops beat the piss out of people for nothing every day..what a shock you are just now finding this type of shit out?
who cares if someone ventilates their heads for it either.
the cops violate people's basic human rights every day.
the cops violate the constitution every day with the laws they enforce.
who enforces the law on the law when they are constantly breaking the law?
it looks like the marijuana dealers in mexico have about the right idea.
they know how to handle a government out of control.

TheBrutalTruth said:

I blame Barack Clinton, or Hillary Obama, either both of those bitches. If they would stop trying to blame the US for the problems at the border and actually attempt to resolve the problems by stationing troops there.

Then there's the fact that there's cities like San Diege and San Francisco that are doing idiotic BS like claiming to be "Sanction" cities, and refusing to enforce US Law regarding immunization and naturalization.

Of course, this entire situation goes back to the idiocy forced upon Reagan by the left when he granted amnesty to the illegals.

What we need is another President like the one that sent Pershing to the border to handle Pancho Villa with an entire Army Brigade or Battalion.



But yeah, totally fucked up situation. I hope he sues the shit out of the Border Patrol.

Though this has the feeling of a deposition.

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Why would this be the left's fault?? Oh that's right, any government action not liked by the people is always the left's fault, HaHaHeHeHoHo,~LOL~. You are so predictable.

who gives a fuck about the "left" and the "right"... they both suck. left or right both suck when they're in power

max420thc said:

the cops beat the piss out of people for nothing every day..what a shock you are just now finding this type of shit out?
who cares if someone ventilates their heads for it either.
the cops violate people's basic human rights every day.
the cops violate the constitution every day with the laws they enforce.
who enforces the law on the law when they are constantly breaking the law?
it looks like the marijuana dealers in mexico have about the right idea.
they know how to handle a government out of control.

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Murdering innocent people is the right idea MAX?

medicineman said:

Why would this be the left's fault?? Oh that's right, any government action not liked by the people is always the left's fault, HaHaHeHeHoHo,~LOL~. You are so predictable.

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Of course everything is the left's fault. What you're fauling to understand is that any idiot (like you) that supports more government is on the left.

That includes Bush, Cheney, Obama, Clinton (both of those old morons), Reid, Pelosi, et. al.

This is from the ACLU, take it however you want.

Damn-it it will not let me copy and paste so here is a link, maybe..
http://www.aclu.org/privacy/37293res20081022.html

Here is a map showing where these checkpoints are "legal"
http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/areyoulivinginaconstitutionfreezone.html

Government is like a parasite it will always grow to large and kill the host. Government is sorta like an Alien eventualy it will pop out of our chest and eat our face.

ilkhan said:

I don't think he did cross the border watch it agien.

He was going from San Deigo to Phenix he was in a suspisionless internal checkpoint.

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I'm not going back to confirm this. It would appear that there were some shady "officers of the law".....Gomez, etc....just acknowledge the names of these "officers." I suspect those officers were abusing their authorities.
I know of at least ONE event that took place in this very same location whereas a Mexcian was attempting to pass into America illegally (imagine that!!!!)....upon his quest to do so, he was TRESPASSING on a man's OWNED land who took it upon himself to subdue their further entrance. That same man was sued and the Mexican alloted HIS LAND!!!!!!!!!! Can you say, "royally f'ed up?

TheBrutalTruth said:

Of course everything is the left's fault. What you're fauling to understand is that any idiot (like you) that supports more government is on the left.

That includes Bush, Cheney, Obama, Clinton (both of those old morons), Reid, Pelosi, et. al.

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Please note that during the elections, BOTH Democrats and Republican's took their eversovery fleeting "strong" stance on illegal immigrration........pfft. I laughed. I knew then I would never hear of it or their intentional stance again. Wake up America. Left, right, somewhere in the middle, nothing will be accomplished. Before you know it, spanish will be the officla language...go ahead, laugh. Hopefully, I'll stilll be around to say, "I told you so." The question is, "will you?"

You know if I didn't know better I might think the government wants someone to "go off." But no way our government would never intentionaly try to piss people off.