Area 51 Why wait, seems you can buy cree cobs lights now

OneHitDone

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AquariusPanta said:
Mine were ran at ~2.8A. The actual power consumption, stated of that "450W unit", should be higher though, as x9 CXB 3070 ran at ~1.4A produces well over 450W (dissipated); I don't believe Mean Well has reached that level of perfection where their drivers run 100% efficient but they are getting closer :mrgreen:



The math shows me that 450W (dissipated) of Cree CXB 3070, @1.4A, is not only outmatched by 900W of Cree CXB 3070, @2.8A, but that it's actually more expensive.

Again, I'm just looking for some kind of demonstration from this new GoGreen company to back these ground-breaking, revolutionary claims.

bongsmilie
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You cob guys are funny. Your all trying to sell fixtures based on the same guts and bashing each other.
Design a fixture that is #1 SAFE, has top quality components, looks sexy and not homemade, and show us some real par canopy numbers and bomb ass mega-nugs being grown under it.
Looks like many of you are just pissed cause gogreenleds beat you to the punchline bongsmilie
 
BM9AGS

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AquariusPanta said:
Mine were ran at ~2.8A. The actual power consumption, stated of that "450W unit", should be higher though, as x9 CXB 3070 ran at ~1.4A produces well over 450W (dissipated); I don't believe Mean Well has reached that level of perfection where their drivers run 100% efficient but they are getting closer :mrgreen:



The math shows me that 450W (dissipated) of Cree CXB 3070, @1.4A, is not only outmatched by 900W of Cree CXB 3070, @2.8A, but that it's actually more expensive.

Again, I'm just looking for some kind of demonstration from this new GoGreen company to back these ground-breaking, revolutionary claims.

bongsmilie
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Does it really matter? 99% of the led companies make up shit that's way way more off. At least this company offering a good product at a good price. Find another $450 led that can compete with their 4x CXB 3070.

Also they didn't state how it compares to the 1kw hid..... It could compare in weight, dimensions, color, smell, taste....lol.
 
Stephenj37826

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BM9AGS said:
Does it really matter? 99% of the led companies make up shit that's way way more off. At least this company offering a good product at a good price. Find another $450 led that can compete with their 4x CXB 3070.

Also they didn't state how it compares to the 1kw hid..... It could compare in weight, dimensions, color, smell, taste....lol.
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Well not bashing I think go green is great but in there website calculator it states that there fixture will produce 10% more yield. In my opinion if it comes to within 10% of a 1000 hid nuff said lol.
 
Yodaweed

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You guys are living a pipe dream, these little lights cannot grow as large a plant as a 1000watt HID light PERIOD. They are just too small coverage wise to compete. The only way they could compete is if you restricted the light by using a reflector too small for the light.
 
AquariusPanta

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alesh said:
There's a fault in your design if the 450W comes more expensive than the 900W version with the same number of COBs.
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It's not my design, it's GoGreen's, hence my desire for proof of their claim.

OneHitDone said:
You cob guys are funny. Your all trying to sell fixtures based on the same guts and bashing each other.
Design a fixture that is #1 SAFE, has top quality components, looks sexy and not homemade, and show us some real par canopy numbers and bomb ass mega-nugs being grown under it.
Looks like many of you are just pissed cause gogreenleds beat you to the punchline bongsmilie
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Yeah, most, if not all, of the guts between the COB fixtures you see are nearly identical or at least bare parts with the same name. Quality helps us distinguish a bunch, such as COB binning. 75W of BB bin beats 75W of AB bin, as you may know.

I'm pissed, not because I haven't seen "bomb ass mega-nugs" grown under the Go Green fixture nor canopy numbers but that another random company has taken something good and mixed it with the past's bad, that bad being the limitations of the fixture's case/enclosure. Having 450W of efficient light beaming down from a fixture is great but not if it's restricted to a 17" x 17" case, as this limits the potential footprint/spread of the fixture itself at various heights; what good is it to have a 1000W HID replacement in a 3' x 3' space? Overkill, right? Intensity is one thing but footprint is the other and juggling both isn't an easy thing to master. Don't believe, go buy a quantum sensor and test some lights out - it's both fun and enlightening.

BM9AGS said:
Does it really matter? 99% of the led companies make up shit that's way way more off. At least this company offering a good product at a good price. Find another $450 led that can compete with their 4x CXB 3070.

Also they didn't state how it compares to the 1kw hid..... It could compare in weight, dimensions, color, smell, taste....lol.
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It's a good price but comes with the courtesy of no-name drivers. I've said it before and I''ll state it again, a COB is only as good as it's driver.
 
Yodaweed

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AquariusPanta said:
It's not my design, it's GoGreen's, hence my desire for proof of their claim.



Yeah, most, if not all, of the guts between the COB fixtures you see are nearly identical or at least bare parts with the same name. Quality helps us distinguish a bunch, such as COB binning. 75W of BB bin beats 75W of AB bin, as you may know.

I'm pissed, not because I haven't seen "bomb ass mega-nugs" grown under the Go Green fixture nor canopy numbers but that another random company has taken something good and mixed it with the past's bad, that bad being the limitations of the fixture's case/enclosure. Having 450W of efficient light beaming down from a fixture is great but not if it's restricted to a 17" x 17" case, as this limits the potential footprint/spread of the fixture itself at various heights; what good is it to have a 1000W HID replacement in a 3' x 3' space? Overkill, right? Intensity is one thing but footprint is the other and juggling both isn't an easy thing to master. Don't believe, go buy a quantum sensor and test some lights out - it's both fun and enlightening.



It's a good price but comes with the courtesy of no-name drivers. I've said it before and I''ll state it again, a COB is only as good as it's driver.
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Well stated, more coverage = more plant mass = more ganja. You cannot out yield a 5x5 space in a 3x3 space with both them being properly lit. There is only so much light intensity these plants will use and sometimes going overboard just is a waste of electric and coverage area.
 
JimmyIndica

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200watt gogreen looks to be a 2x2 flower fixture priced decently with CXB3070 and no name drivers that has to be put 12 to 14inches from canopy. Looks to be a good entry level COB based grow light that's a little dated IMO.
400hps = only on its best days too. 1000watt :lol: maybe 4 ofem?
And I personally would buy 2 A51 W90s if these were my 2 choices.
300watt is 2 x 3 and 450watt is the true 3x3 flower fixture.IMO
 
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robincnn

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@AquariusPanta Hey welcome back. Looks like you were gone for a while. Jimmy was missing you while you were gone :bigjoint:
This GoGreen guy is not much active here. He said he don't like the forums dramas. I guess Jeff is like that too. It can be like a reality show here sometimes.
You might have a better luck catching him on his website
I read on the previous posts they a sponsor on RIU.

450W CXB3070 LED vs. 1000W HPS
Sorry don't know much about HPS. But seems possible.
Lord SDS compared his mighty 200 watt Twin Vero 29 to a 400 watt HPS
https://www.rollitup.org/t/v-series-tetras.858075/page-17#post-11874975
Some nice math there too if you like. With CXB3070s AB being little more efficient than Vero 29. 450w might be on par with 1000w hps (maybe single ended, not gavita :mrgreen:)

I like the idea of COB spread evenly over canopy. You have one approach of sliding cobs. A51 link-able units
I think many users would like something that does not fall apart if I hold it upside down or sideways. coz they high and wanna play with lights. Everything enclosed in a box with only power cable outside has always looked sexy. People like the clean looks and convenience of these small enclosure. They may have a small enclosure but they looks friendly and safe.
Gogreen cheaper than optic. Better efficiency. Not sure what fans, heatsink or lens they use.
PLC is also good. cool efficiency numbers. I would buy their stock if they go public.
You should be happy no one copied your unique design yet. Great new idea. Good luck.
 
JimmyIndica

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robincnn said:
@AquariusPanta Hey welcome back. Looks like you were gone for a while. Jimmy was missing you while you were gone :bigjoint:
This GoGreen guy is not much active here. He said he don't like the forums dramas. I guess Jeff is like that too. It can be like a reality show here sometimes.
You might have a better luck catching him on his website
I read on the previous posts they a sponsor on RIU.

450W CXB3070 LED vs. 1000W HPS
Sorry don't know much about HPS. But seems possible.
Lord SDS compared his mighty 200 watt Twin Vero 29 to a 400 watt HPS
https://www.rollitup.org/t/v-series-tetras.858075/page-17#post-11874975
Some nice math there too if you like. With CXB3070s AB being little more efficient than Vero 29. 450w might be on par with 1000w hps (maybe single ended, not gavita :mrgreen:)

I like the idea of COB spread evenly over canopy. You have one approach of sliding cobs. A51 link-able units
I think many users would like something that does not fall apart if I hold it upside down or sideways. coz they high and wanna play with lights. Everything enclosed in a box with only power cable outside has always looked sexy. People like the clean looks and convenience of these small enclosure. They may have a small enclosure but they looks friendly and safe.
Gogreen cheaper than optic. Better efficiency. Not sure what fans, heatsink or lens they use.
PLC is also good. cool efficiency numbers. I would buy their stock if they go public.
You should be happy no one copied your unique design yet. Great new idea. Good luck.
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Optic uses (2)Meanwell NPF 90 42($100) in there 200watt CXB3070 fixture and cost $$480:)
Last I knew they were using ABs,but not sure now because Vero18/29 has been there most popular fixtures. 200watt vero29 $435
Quality of components used in the build are what really matters:bigjoint:And the 120days testing period before production because there is always something to tweak after 60.
 
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AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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robincnn said:
@AquariusPanta Hey welcome back. Looks like you were gone for a while. Jimmy was missing you while you were gone :bigjoint:
This GoGreen guy is not much active here. He said he don't like the forums dramas. I guess Jeff is like that too. It can be like a reality show here sometimes.
You might have a better luck catching him on his website
I read on the previous posts they a sponsor on RIU.

450W CXB3070 LED vs. 1000W HPS
Sorry don't know much about HPS. But seems possible.
Lord SDS compared his mighty 200 watt Twin Vero 29 to a 400 watt HPS
https://www.rollitup.org/t/v-series-tetras.858075/page-17#post-11874975
Some nice math there too if you like. With CXB3070s AB being little more efficient than Vero 29. 450w might be on par with 1000w hps (maybe single ended, not gavita :mrgreen:)

I like the idea of COB spread evenly over canopy. You have one approach of sliding cobs. A51 link-able units
I think many users would like something that does not fall apart if I hold it upside down or sideways. coz they high and wanna play with lights. Everything enclosed in a box with only power cable outside has always looked sexy. People like the clean looks and convenience of these small enclosure. They may have a small enclosure but they looks friendly and safe.
Gogreen cheaper than optic. Better efficiency. Not sure what fans, heatsink or lens they use.
PLC is also good. cool efficiency numbers. I would buy their stock if they go public.
You should be happy no one copied your unique design yet. Great new idea. Good luck.
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Thank you for the welcoming. For clarification, the sliding COBS are actually screwed down until unscrewed, which allows for mobility. There's a bunch of holes alongside the bars for which the COB module can be firmly secured to, preventing any parts falling apart from the fixture.

Without considering the spread and dimensions of a given COB fixture and using what data I have, I'd say ~700W of CXB 3070 AB, @1.4A, would fare well against a well equipped 1000W HPS system. The thing about bulbs though is that they typically wear out over time, so the numbers I recorded during my tests would surely fall over time for the HID systems, where COBS arguably get better over time, with little to no degradation if properly taken care of.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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AquariusPanta said:
Thank you for the welcoming. For clarification, the sliding COBS are actually screwed down until unscrewed, which allows for mobility. There's a bunch of holes alongside the bars for which the COB module can be firmly secured to, preventing any parts falling apart from the fixture.

Without considering the spread and dimensions of a given COB fixture and using what data I have, I'd say ~700W of CXB 3070 AB, @1.4A, would fare well against a well equipped 1000W HPS system. The thing about bulbs though is that they typically wear out over time, so the numbers I recorded during my tests would surely fall over time for the HID systems, where COBS arguably get better over time, with little to no degradation if properly taken care of.
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The real problem that you boys trying to sell cobs are facing is that it really isn't about "energy savings" or "cool temps" anymore. We all know your not gonna cut wattage by 50% from a 1000W HPS and get the same results.
Better start framing it as "better quality" herb, if that is the case.
After all, for what it would cost me to by 16 cobs alone (not including drivers, heatsinks, etc) to light my 5x5 I can have 16 years worth of 1000W Hortilux Super HPS Lamps.

Are you aware of how cheap a Top of the line 1000W hps lamp can be acquired these days?
http://growershouse.com/eye-hortilux-super-hps-enhanced-1000w

Now get to convincing!
 
AquariusPanta

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OneHitDone said:
The real problem that you boys trying to sell cobs are facing is that it really isn't about "energy savings" or "cool temps" anymore. We all know your not gonna cut wattage by 50% from a 1000W HPS and get the same results.
Better start framing it as "better quality" herb, if that is the case.
After all, for what it would cost me to by 16 cobs alone (not including drivers, heatsinks, etc) to light my 5x5 I can have 16 years worth of 1000W Hortilux Super HPS Lamps.

Are you aware of how cheap a Top of the line 1000W hps lamp can be acquired these days?
http://growershouse.com/eye-hortilux-super-hps-enhanced-1000w

Now get to convincing!
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This is very true and I'm glad you have brought into the picture both reason and feasibility. I'll have something addressing and covering this in the coming week, likely in video format.

They charged me around 130$ for that same bulb at my local hydro store! That's one helluva deal you share
 
alesh

alesh

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AquariusPanta said:
This is very true and I'm glad you have brought into the picture both reason and feasibility. I'll have something addressing and covering this in the coming week, likely in video format.

They charged me around 130$ for that same bulb at my local hydro store! That's one helluva deal you share
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Certainly true for 2.8A current. Might be a different story for someone else.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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OneHitDone said:
The real problem that you boys trying to sell cobs are facing is that it really isn't about "energy savings" or "cool temps" anymore. We all know your not gonna cut wattage by 50% from a 1000W HPS and get the same results.
Better start framing it as "better quality" herb, if that is the case.
After all, for what it would cost me to by 16 cobs alone (not including drivers, heatsinks, etc) to light my 5x5 I can have 16 years worth of 1000W Hortilux Super HPS Lamps.

Are you aware of how cheap a Top of the line 1000W hps lamp can be acquired these days?
http://growershouse.com/eye-hortilux-super-hps-enhanced-1000w

Now get to convincing!
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These LEDs are for hobby level grows , if you wanna play with the big boys you need big boy toys.
 
Stephenj37826

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OneHitDone said:
The real problem that you boys trying to sell cobs are facing is that it really isn't about "energy savings" or "cool temps" anymore. We all know your not gonna cut wattage by 50% from a 1000W HPS and get the same results.
Better start framing it as "better quality" herb, if that is the case.
After all, for what it would cost me to by 16 cobs alone (not including drivers, heatsinks, etc) to light my 5x5 I can have 16 years worth of 1000W Hortilux Super HPS Lamps.

Are you aware of how cheap a Top of the line 1000W hps lamp can be acquired these days?
http://growershouse.com/eye-hortilux-super-hps-enhanced-1000w

Now get to convincing!
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Yeah I guess you get free electricity and free AC to right? And yes you can produce the same amount of product at higher quality with 1/2 the electrical usage with a properly set up cxb3590 build. No convincing you though because you wouldn't believe it if you saw it with your own eyes. Yes 99% of led companies are liars and that's that. At the end of the day though a light source at say 64% efficiency will producer twice as much as one at 32% per watt.
You guys keep jumping all around the facts. I know this much the hydro store that I visit locally sure was excited to put up my display. They took down there gavita as you walk through the door lol. And this person hates LEDs. She said there just not there yet lol. I had been telling them about my build and they where like yeah yeah yeah. I came in with a unit plugged it in and they where instantly sold. The comment from the owner was "I want to take this home right now" lol. I posted a chart of my light and you still deny facts. Maybe one day you'll stop being a hater....... Nahhhhhh probably not
 
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ttystikk

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Yodaweed said:
These LEDs are for hobby level grows , if you wanna play with the big boys you need big boy toys.
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I'm putting this notion to the test. I don't believe it, and in fact I believe the opposite is true; that commercial warehouses have the funds to invest heavily in the proper designs that will save them money or boost their yield. COB LED has the ability to do both.
 
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