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hanimmal

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Some of it is a known and not really ambiguous, like if the funding goes towards the Delta Conveyance Project. Much of that is just more subsidized watering plants in the desert for privatized profits. Basically anything that isn't about efficiency isn't going to be good.
I don't know anything about this, so I found something that looks like what you are talking about.

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The conversation was moderated by Patricia Clark, Associate Governmental Program Analyst in the Delta Conveyance Office. Watch the full interview.

Let’s start with the basics. Mike, what is climate change?

Michael Anderson:
Climate change, as we’re experiencing, is a warming planet. Temperatures are getting warmer and we see this in our data of annual average temperatures, each year of late being in the warmest edge of the distribution of temperatures we’ve recorded since 1895. This is caused by the increase in greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gases are in the atmosphere, and they work much like a greenhouse does to keep your plants warm. It lets sunlight in but doesn’t let the heat escape.

What are some of California’s unique climate characteristics?

MA:
California is located in a fantastic place on the planet. We occupy 75 percent of the Pacific Coast of the lower 48 states. We have a fantastic range of rainfall totals from the southeast deserts, which get on average of less than five inches a year, to the temperate rainforests of the north coast, which can get over 120 inches a year.

Year to year we experience more variability in our precipitation total outcomes than anywhere else in the lower 48 states. California's topography plays an important role. We have weather systems that come off the Pacific Ocean and include atmospheric rivers, or narrow bands of water vapor, that get pushed up against the mountains, leading to heavy precipitation in particular locations.

As the world gets warmer, we actually see a change in that distribution of rain and snow. We see snow falling at a higher elevation, which then builds up our seasonal snowpack as limited to a smaller area of the mountains. This changes the way runoff happens to where we have more of the runoff from the rainstorms during the storm event itself, creating a flood hazard, potentially, and leaving less to run off in the spring [for] use in the dry summers.

The other aspect of that is that as that wet season is limited more to the wettest storms, we find that the rainiest days get wetter with more dry days in between and this will lead to a longer dry season with higher temperatures bringing more heat, drying out the landscape even more.

John Andrew: The challenge confronting water managers in California is more uncertainty, and the natural response is a portfolio of approaches. The governor has, as you know, a Water Resilience Portfolio, and the Delta Conveyance is one of the key parts of that portfolio to respond to climate change.

What is the major takeaway for DWR regarding how it manages water resources for California?
JA:
I think the major takeaway is that a fundamental tactic in response to climate change is flexibility. The conditions that Mike described, are going to lead again to more uncertainty of when water shows up and when it's going to be there, what its quality is going to be, how it's going to interact with ecosystems and habitat. The ability to move water when water is available is going to be an incredibly valuable option for the state, whether that's to move water directly to users, move it into storage, either above ground or to recharge many of our great aquifers around the state.


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I don't know enough about this to know why people are dedicating their lives to it think it is a good idea, or to know if it is a scam, but I was mostly excited about the $250 billion going to desalination.

If we can figure out how to safely deliver unlimited amounts of clean potable water to the entire western United States (without pollution (so lots of solar/slow clean methods)), there is not think of anything negative that I can think of (that is not bullshit ) that would be a good reason not to help heal our planets soil and biodiversity to help undo the damage we have done over the last couple hundred years burning and chopping everything we could. And all life requires water.

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And if we can figure out how to do this here, where we live, we can help export clean water anywhere.
 
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mooray

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I'm going to move in another three years, probably. We moved to the countryside a year ago and our home is almost zero-carbon, but the summer temperatures are too much. This year has not been too bad, about 37C max, but sometimes we get to 44C and that's something I can't tolerate at my age.
Whereabouts are you? I'm hoping to leave NorCal next year, but that's probably a bit too optimistic.
 

mooray

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I don't know anything about this, so I found something that looks like what you are talking about.



I don't know enough about this to know why people are dedicating their lives to it think it is a good idea, or to know if it is a scam, but I was mostly excited about the $250 billion going to desalination.

If we can figure out how to safely deliver unlimited amounts of clean potable water to the entire western United States (without pollution (so lots of solar/slow clean methods)), there is not think of anything negative that I can think of (that is not bullshit ) that would be a good reason not to help heal our planets soil and biodiversity to help undo the damage we have done over the last couple hundred years burning and chopping everything we could. And all life requires water.

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And if we can figure out how to do this here, where we live, we can help export clean water anywhere.
I'm mostly down with the desalination plant, because that's bringing in a new source, but as with anything, it's not binary. Unfortunately, the desalination money sounds like it won't be building anything and is more like a, "we'll pretend like this is something new and do some super serious investigating and stuff while not actually building anything".

The Delta project is kind of infuriating. Imagine living your whole live in the area, several decades, and suffering through a drought more often than not, which means no watering lawns, no washing cars in your driveway, certainly no summer water fun in the backyard, letting pee marinade in the terlet, price hikes, and that's all fine because you're in it together and water is the most serious commodity we have....then some politician comes up and says, "oh hay gais we have so much water that we want to build two 40ft tall tunnels to send that water to our business bros down in the desert so they can make lots of money, but yeah sure some will have to go to homes too otherwise you chumps would never go for it lololololroflcopteryouguysarefuckingidiotslololl". It's the McDonald's style business model, where all you want to do is make money and you don't care what happens to people, so you build a charity where kids will literally die without you and you've now hedged your evil with an indispensable good.
 

hanimmal

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I'm mostly down with the desalination plant, because that's bringing in a new source, but as with anything, it's not binary.
That is why I like it too. A new unlimited source of all of our water needs once we figure it out.


but as with anything, it's not binary. Unfortunately, the desalination money sounds like it won't be building anything and is more like a, "we'll pretend like this is something new and do some super serious investigating and stuff while not actually building anything".
The investment has to start somewhere. There are some private companies working on it already, but nothing in the scale that we need to fix our mess. This is the way that the federal government can actually do something since you are dealing with so many states and localities.

The Delta project is kind of infuriating. Imagine living your whole live in the area, several decades, and suffering through a drought more often than not, which means no watering lawns, no washing cars in your driveway, certainly no summer water fun in the backyard, letting pee marinade in the terlet, price hikes, and that's all fine because you're in it together and water is the most serious commodity we have....then some politician comes up and says, "oh hay gais we have so much water that we want to build two 40ft tall tunnels to send that water to our business bros down in the desert so they can make lots of money, but yeah sure some will have to go to homes too otherwise you chumps would never go for it
Well here is to hoping that they can connect that to a desalinated ocean water source in the near future.

lololololroflcopteryouguysarefuckingidiotslololl". It's the McDonald's style business model, where all you want to do is make money and you don't care what happens to people, so you build a charity where kids will literally die without you and you've now hedged your evil with an indispensable good.
 

mooray

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The investment has to start somewhere. There are some private companies working on it already, but nothing in the scale that we need to fix our mess. This is the way that the federal government can actually do something since you are dealing with so many states and localities.
It looks like money funneling fluff to me, but of course the environmental impact studies for such a project would be huge, if that's what they're doing. Hopefully, whatever it is they do, it truly paves the way. Then all we have to wait for our next infrastructure bill...................
 

hanimmal

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It looks like money funneling fluff to me, but of course the environmental impact studies for such a project would be huge, if that's what they're doing. Hopefully, whatever it is they do, it truly paves the way. Then all we have to wait for our next infrastructure bill...................
idk man, $250 billion for desalination projects and studies is some real money.

Im hopeful that people in the Democratic party see the reality of the size of the problem and that is why they made that a priority.
 

ttystikk

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When we talk about water shortages, we need to remember that farmers use 80% or more of all surface water. This is especially true in the American West. Yet, they comprise some 2% of the population. If we are going to deal with water shortages, they need to be at the forefront of the discussion and carry their share of the burden.
 

mooray

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idk man, $250 billion for desalination projects and studies is some real money.

Im hopeful that people in the Democratic party see the reality of the size of the problem and that is why they made that a priority.
I know you're a lot more optimistic than I am. Until I hear something like, "$X is slated for one X gallon/day desalination plant in _____ to be completed by 20XX and one X gallon/day desalination plant in _____to be completed by 20XX" then I don't feel like I have a choice but to assume that, "$X for desalination projects" is a very liberal use of the word "projects" and it'll be used for something shitty, like buying up some land for a "possible future salt pond site" which happens to be owned by some politician's cousin and the amount being paid for it is like 10x market value.

When we talk about water shortages, we need to remember that farmers use 80% or more of all surface water. This is especially true in the American West. Yet, they comprise some 2% of the population. If we are going to deal with water shortages, they need to be at the forefront of the discussion and carry their share of the burden.
The US is essentially resource doomed because of subconscious and erroneous constitutional association between consumption and freedom.
 

Aeroknow

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Whereabouts are you? I'm hoping to leave NorCal next year, but that's probably a bit too optimistic.
Where the fuck we gonna go though? I’m a ca dude.
I used to say i’ll go to Seattle when asked where i’m gonna go when i say i want out. Better have a good Ac there now but i can live with that. I got friends and family on the big island. Looking allot more appealing.
I just don’t know bro, but the North state Ca is fucked.
 

mooray

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Where the fuck we gonna go though? I’m a ca dude.
I used to say i’ll go to Seattle when asked where i’m gonna go when i say i want out. Better have a good Ac there now but i can live with that. I got friends and family on the big island. Looking allot more appealing.
I just don’t know bro, but the North state Ca is fucked.
Really gotta study microclimates if you want to stay local'ish, because if you look at too large of an area, they all look bad. Applegate Valley in Southern Oregon looks nice, but the Bay area price-gouging has taken its toll. Big Island would be great fun for gardening, but man you really have to put in some effort to fit in, because you're basically the black guy in the south over there. I think we're going to leave the states altogether.
 

Cycad

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Where the fuck we gonna go though? I’m a ca dude.
I used to say i’ll go to Seattle when asked where i’m gonna go when i say i want out. Better have a good Ac there now but i can live with that. I got friends and family on the big island. Looking allot more appealing.
I just don’t know bro, but the North state Ca is fucked.
It was so beautiful when I toured it in 1980.
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Oregon. Breathtaking. I drove the whole of Route 1, going OMG... OMG... at every turn in the road.
 

Aeroknow

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Really gotta study microclimates if you want to stay local'ish, because if you look at too large of an area, they all look bad. Applegate Valley in Southern Oregon looks nice, but the Bay area price-gouging has taken its toll. Big Island would be great fun for gardening, but man you really have to put in some effort to fit in, because you're basically the black guy in the south over there. I think we're going to leave the states altogether.
I already have connects up on the big island. Up in Volcano hilo side. But yeah, there is not any room for the size indoor crops there i put out :-(
 

topcat

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Where the fuck we gonna go though? I’m a ca dude.
I used to say i’ll go to Seattle when asked where i’m gonna go when i say i want out. Better have a good Ac there now but i can live with that. I got friends and family on the big island. Looking allot more appealing.
I just don’t know bro, but the North state Ca is fucked.
I'm also California born, moved from L.A. to Sonoma County in '81. If this country goes Fascist, I'm seriously thinking about Belize, though I'd have to get something up country with sea levels rising.
 

Aeroknow

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Northern CA. Route 1. Wooden house in a forested area. I wonder if it is still there... I stayed overnight at this place. It had Victorian decor. It reminded me of my Gran's house.
Metal roof, stucco exterior, ember safe soffit(intake) vents.

Don’t mean shit with these fires that get blown at us here during the northern winds + no rain fall. We’re fucked.
 
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