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Al B. Fuct

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Hey Al, I just poured a jar of molasses into my res like you suggested, what kind of results should I be looking for? I can't wait to see them sparkle!!!!Oh goodie, goodie!
Nothing doing until you get 3.4 million x 8 lumen LEDs over them, then they'll turn like totally dank, man. :lol:

I was thinking to myself that this thread should become a sticky, but why should it. It never leaves page 1.
heh, yep, it kinda stickies itself.

It'll not be long now, until you've caught up with the number of posts on the 'harvest every two weeks' thread. It lasted 15 months, and you're not even past the second month on this thread.
The readership numbers on this thread are mad. I had it closed for a week or so and the avg readership per day now exceeds what it was when I had to take a break. Something like 420/day, nutty for a little cannabis forum. :D

When does RIU start issuing the medals? LOL
Well, they were gonna hand me a few until I insisted that they were cast in pure lead. :lol:
 

hom36rown

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I gotta question for you al, I started getting powdery mildew at about a month into flowering, but I kept it to a minimum by just spraying with alkaline water every other day...IM harvesting right now and I still have leves with powdery mildew on them, but im going to trim them all off, and I cant see anything on the buds...so my question is, do you think my buds will give me a lung infection or anything like that if I smoke them
 

DeweyKox

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I'm limited to $155 till mid of next month. Trying to figure out what would be the best decision to buy next. I have only a PH Pen at the moment.

Currently have:

Flower Room:
400W hps All in one unit(why?)
2" inline booster fan
4" Inline connected to Y adapter,one to light, one to top of grow sucking heat out.
5" fan (wind)

Veg Room:
8 floro 2 feet fixture will all Veg bulbs
4" fan (wind)

Nutrients:
Fox Farm Big Bloom
Fox Farm Grow Big
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom
Mad Farmer MOAB
Botanicare Sweet
House & Gardern Multi Zyme
General Hydroponics Flora Kleen

Want List:
Hanna pH/EC Combo WaterProof Tester
Ebb & Flow Setup to replace in flower room 2X4
600W HPS Setup
4" inline w/carbon filter setup
Thermastat

Now the veg room is not really a room, I have not sheet rocked it and painted white yet. Soon though. Here is some old pics of my flower and veg room.

Question: On the 8 bulb floros that have all veg bulbs in it, I do have 8 Flower bulbs, and lots of people like a mix of the 2, should I mix them and how many of each would benefit if any?
 

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flipsidesw

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Ok so how high would i need to flood the tray since the holes in the pots are only on the bottom. Also i was thinking since the holes are only in bottom some of the roots would be diverted, provide i used a loose enough medium. Is there a unique reason to use rockwool cubes instead of jiffy pellets? I personally would perfer to continue using them as i have done a couple dwc grow with no trouble from them. I have think they are stupid easy and havent failed me yet so.

So i shouldnt really worry about the roots stickin out the bottom uh? Will the roots getting trimmed as you affect the plant at all? Or am i just a newbie and theres no concern here?

I need to put down the blunt and put my thinkin cap on.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
do you think my buds will give me a lung infection or anything like that if I smoke them
'Lung infections from mouldy pot' is a wives' tale. While mouldy buds are unpleasant to smoke from beginning to end, not many mould spores are going to survive being hit with a Bic. I also don't think powdery mildew spores would survive long in a lung, even if somehow you managed to smoke the stuff without setting it alight.

I'm limited to $155 till mid of next month. Trying to figure out what would be the best decision to buy next. I have only a PH Pen at the moment.

Currently have:

Flower Room:
400W hps All in one unit(why?)
Yeah, why? If you could put the ballast outside the room, that would be heat you didn't have to depend on the exhaust blower to remove.

2" inline booster fan
2"? is that right? What's a 2" fan supposed to boost?
4" Inline connected to Y adapter,one to light, one to top of grow sucking heat out.
5" fan (wind)
Tell me about this light, does it have an inlet duct flange and a glass sheet over the lamp tube? Hope so. It'd be a lot better for temp control if it acted like a cooltube.


Ventilation should be organised like this:

Circ fans should be ordinary 40cm (15-16") oscillating units.

Veg Room:
8 floro 2 feet fixture will all Veg bulbs
4" fan (wind)
Use a 40cm circ fan here too, if you can.

Nutrients:
Fox Farm Big Bloom
Fox Farm Grow Big
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom
Mad Farmer MOAB
Botanicare Sweet
House & Gardern Multi Zyme
General Hydroponics Flora Kleen
Can you return all this stuff? It's a bunch of organics and will be a major pain in the ass because you can't use H2O2 with them. Check what poor platypusman has recently been through with them. With organics, you are relying on competing microbial activity to control pathogens- and it doesn't always work... and it's kinda hard to tell when it is.

'Sweet' is a sugar sauce and should not be used in any hydro op.

I see 3 bloom additives in your list. 'More' is not 'better' in growing plants. If you use any bloom additive at all, use ONE- and it should contain P & K and nothing else.

'Organic' doesn't mean 'better' or even 'good.' Organic molecules are all constructed from inorganic molecules. Organic fertilisers have to break down into inorganic elements before the plant can use them.

Organic growing is a good technique for soil but not hydroponics. With inorganic nutes & H2O2, you will have a successful grow the first time and the op will be much easier to maintain as you're only growing ONE organism- cannabis plants.

Replace this list of stuff with a good quality 2-part standard hydroponic nutrient from a well known maker like AN, GH, Canna, a bloom additive like Canna's PK-13-14 (used for 1 week in wk 6 of flowering ONLY) and H2O2 50% grade, to be used at 1ml/l of nutes every 3-4 days.

Want List:
Hanna pH/EC Combo WaterProof Tester
Ebb & Flow Setup to replace in flower room 2X4
600W HPS Setup
4" inline w/carbon filter setup
Thermastat
Combo meters are not the best choice. The pH electrode only will last 2 years and when it needs replacement, if it is not user replaceable, you will replace the entire meter or send the unit in for service. You already have a pH meter, but you need an EC/TDS meter for nutes before you can start growing. Hanna pen meters are not renowned for reliability, but their more expensive ones can last a while. The most reliable TDS meter I've ever seen is the Bluelab Truncheon. Avoid Chinese copies as found on Ebay.

I think your ventilation system needs a rethink. I can't see less than a 150mm main exhaust blower being needed in any case. If you're going to use a carbon filter, you'll need a centrifugal exhaust blower to push air into it. Axial fans won't work well into an obstructive load like a carbon filter You won't get anywhere near an axial fan's CFM rating if it is pushing air into a filter.
Question: On the 8 bulb floros that have all veg bulbs in it, I do have 8 Flower bulbs, and lots of people like a mix of the 2, should I mix them and how many of each would benefit if any?
Doesn't matter. Warm white fluoros grow plants just as slowly as cool whites. vegging with fluoros is fine as long as you don't need a bunch of cuttings every 2 weeks.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Ok so how high would i need to flood the tray since the holes in the pots are only on the bottom.
The holes on the bottom allow in water when the tray floods, to the same depth as the tray is flooded. Same thing happened to the Titanic. ;) The trays should flood to about 100-120mm deep. If using RW cubes in pots of pellets, the cubes should be 1/2" above the flood level.

Also i was thinking since the holes are only in bottom some of the roots would be diverted, provide i used a loose enough medium.
Diverted from what?

Is there a unique reason to use rockwool cubes instead of jiffy pellets?
Their cube shape with flat bottom sits well on a heat mat, but most importantly, RW is not made of organic matter which can support mould when damp. Jiffy pots & rapid rooters are made from a compressed peat material. It can break down and fragment when exposed to H2O2. The bits can get loose in a recirculating hydro system and potentially foul pumps.

So i shouldnt really worry about the roots stickin out the bottom uh? Will the roots getting trimmed as you affect the plant at all? Or am i just a newbie and theres no concern here?
Option 'B'. :)

Is that a reptile bulb i see above ur 1k?
Nope, just a plain ol' CFL for rare instances when I need to have some work light when the HPS jugs are off. It's always bad to interrupt the flowering plants' night cycle, so that CFL is only used when the timer shuts off the HPS jugs and I am still working, draining/refilling tanks or something.
 

flipsidesw

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Man im getting excited. Im started to second guess the 4 per sqft. I only have 400w lighting. I have a few 400w sets only one of my hoods has the glass for the air cooling. Do you think im gonna run into penetration problems. I mean thats a pretty high plant count for a 400w i would think. I guess what im really concerned about is the overlapping fan leaves blocking the sides and buds under leaves.. I feel like im really pressing the math. According to the information i have a 400 can cover 3x3 area. Im doin 4 per sqft so thats 36 plants. Do you think i can get 3/4 to 1 oz.per plant with what im wanting to do?

You know its really the shyt that i have someone to bounce this stuff off of instead of my usual trial and error methods.
 

flipsidesw

New Member
What i meant that roots couldnt all shoot threw the bottom some would find the pot and change direction.That what i meant by that.

So i all im gonna do for the pots is put the started clones in a small pot of clay pebbles. And that should be good until harvest time.

Is a 40 gal res overkill for a 3x3 tray? I heard the bigger the better, but it came out of a hydro sales guys mouth sooo....
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Man im getting excited. Im started to second guess the 4 per sqft. I only have 400w lighting. I have a few 400w sets only one of my hoods has the glass for the air cooling. Do you think im gonna run into penetration problems. I mean thats a pretty high plant count for a 400w i would think.
I agree with you that 4/sf might be a problem with naked lamps. Cooltubes will allow you to drop a 400 to 150mm from the nearest leaves; the closer you can get the light to the plants, the greater the foliar penetration. With cooltubes, I bet you can get away with 4/sf.

Do you think i can get 3/4 to 1 oz.per plant with what im wanting to do?
With cooltubes, yes. Without them, you may want to hold it to 24 plants and experiment your way upward.

You know its really the shyt that i have someone to bounce this stuff off of instead of my usual trial and error methods.
Glad I can be helpful. :)

What i meant that roots couldnt all shoot threw the bottom some would find the pot and change direction.That what i meant by that.
The roots will just busy themselves filling the medium.

So i all im gonna do for the pots is put the started clones in a small pot of clay pebbles. And that should be good until harvest time.
yep, just make sure to nest the cube in the pellets only after there's a good spray of roots out of the bottom of the cubes and assure that they are 1/2" above the flood line.
Is a 40 gal res overkill for a 3x3 tray? I heard the bigger the better, but it came out of a hydro sales guys mouth sooo....
The bigger the better, to a point. Bigger is always better to the hydro shop guy, tho. ;)

Above about 5L/plant, the plants won't have a chance to make a dent in the amt of nutes in the tank before it's dump time in 14 days. Nute strength will remain very constant, good for plants. However, a lot of unused nutes go down the gurgler, bad for the wallet.

Below about 5L/plant, water level tends to drop faster than the nutes can be eaten, causing nute concentration to rise. Undersized tanks require frequent topping with plain water to keep nute strength down where it should be.

If your tank is ideally sized for the plants it is supplying, nute strength will remain fairly constant, even while water level falls. The plants are eating the nutes and using the water in similar proportions.

I accidentally found this out when replacing my old 100L tanks and could only get 125L tubs at the dollar shop. The extra 25L was enough so that nute strength now remains constant while water level falls. I don't have to top the tanks between dumps at all. Each 125L tank serves 23 plants.
 

flipsidesw

New Member
Man i wish i knew how to break up a paragraph like that.

I didnt understand what u ment by make sure they(what are u referring to) are 1/2 above the flood line. Is ther a rule for how high to flood?

The hood i was gonna run with does have the glass and i can just about set it directly on the canonpy. I need to get the glass for the rest of em. Im just trying to use what i got for now. My dream op has cool tubes tho. The only thing im updating is the watering system. Hydrofarms are what im used to. They just take up alot space. If i go back to veggin for a month ill get em back out. They grow some fine trees! Well mine had air stones in each pot. U know to be honest when i first started messing with hydro i was under the impression that flood table where old school and looked right past it thinking newer is better.. Now im just thinking about the possibilities.. Being able to change the plant count and size of the plants for diff grows sounds awesome. Im definately gonna do a journal for this one!
 

NLXSK1

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Hey Al,

Thanks for all you do here, it is appreciated by many of us.

If I have an air conditioner where I can control the room temperature should I just set the room to 30degrees C and skip the heating pad in the clone room or should I use the heating pad anyway?

Also, when you treat your tanks with H2O2 every 3-4 days, how do you apply that chemical to your resevoirs?

TIA
 

BigBudBalls

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Hey Al,
Got a Bunch O'Qs for ya.

Coco Coir - any thoughts on it? I got a bunch and plan on using it like soil. Think it will survive in an Flood-n-Drain? (Granted a filter bag for the pump.)

Lollipopping- I veg my cuttings for about a month. (smaller cuttings) I feel cutting the lower stuff off in veg might be a bit nicer to the gals. I'm thinking about a week before flowering? Or maybe throughout the veg stage?

Humidity: Being a soil guy (at least for now) my humidity is low say 35-45%, see this as a prob? (just a gut feeling that hydro raises the RH more so then soil)

I'm setting up a quick & cheap Flood-n-Drain for some winter veggies. (and testing/learning)
Going to do a tray with clay pellets I guess. My Q is what to keep the plants in. RW scares me a bit. I have a nasty time cloning in it. Always keep it too wet. Net pots maybe?
Will be using the Gen Hydro nutes, since I have them already. No sauces other then the GH bloom boost.

Any subs for H2O2? (didn't think so :) )

I read somewhere on here, as a rule of thumb, that if the ppm stays steady, its right, if it falls, you need it higher initially, and if it raises you need it lower initially; all as the water level drops. Seemed to make sense to me.

And old biz: They make solid state buck/boost 3 phase converter. They aren't that efficient, but are about the size of a cigar box.

Oh, a little while back, you were talking about one of the Canna nutes burning. There is one outfit out there that makes individual nutes, aka: a N sauce, P sauce, K sauce. I'll hunt them down if ya want.

Ya know? For the size of this thread, its been rather civil. A few goof posts, very little drama, and pretty much stays on track. A nice departure from the norm.

Thanks for your guidance.
 

worble

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Run it on a timer during lights-off, start with about 8min 2x/day, I run mine an hour after lights-off and an hour before lights-on.

ok do you do this every day? how old is the plant when you start using it?is it safe to use if flowering?

Sulfur is not toxic to humans. It's really quite safe to use.

great to know this.

Something like this?

yep just about :)


thanks al i will be banging your ear when i build my grow room when we get a place soon :) thats if you dont mind. thanks again jeff


 

DeweyKox

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'Lung infections from mouldy pot' is a wives' tale. While mouldy buds are unpleasant to smoke from beginning to end, not many mould spores are going to survive being hit with a Bic. I also don't think powdery mildew spores would survive long in a lung, even if somehow you managed to smoke the stuff without setting it alight.



Yeah, why? If you could put the ballast outside the room, that would be heat you didn't have to depend on the exhaust blower to remove.

2"? is that right? What's a 2" fan supposed to boost?
Tell me about this light, does it have an inlet duct flange and a glass sheet over the lamp tube? Hope so. It'd be a lot better for temp control if it acted like a cooltube.


Ventilation should be organised like this:

Circ fans should be ordinary 40cm (15-16") oscillating units.

Use a 40cm circ fan here too, if you can.

Can you return all this stuff? It's a bunch of organics and will be a major pain in the ass because you can't use H2O2 with them. Check what poor platypusman has recently been through with them. With organics, you are relying on competing microbial activity to control pathogens- and it doesn't always work... and it's kinda hard to tell when it is.

'Sweet' is a sugar sauce and should not be used in any hydro op.

I see 3 bloom additives in your list. 'More' is not 'better' in growing plants. If you use any bloom additive at all, use ONE- and it should contain P & K and nothing else.

'Organic' doesn't mean 'better' or even 'good.' Organic molecules are all constructed from inorganic molecules. Organic fertilisers have to break down into inorganic elements before the plant can use them.

Organic growing is a good technique for soil but not hydroponics. With inorganic nutes & H2O2, you will have a successful grow the first time and the op will be much easier to maintain as you're only growing ONE organism- cannabis plants.

Replace this list of stuff with a good quality 2-part standard hydroponic nutrient from a well known maker like AN, GH, Canna, a bloom additive like Canna's PK-13-14 (used for 1 week in wk 6 of flowering ONLY) and H2O2 50% grade, to be used at 1ml/l of nutes every 3-4 days.

Combo meters are not the best choice. The pH electrode only will last 2 years and when it needs replacement, if it is not user replaceable, you will replace the entire meter or send the unit in for service. You already have a pH meter, but you need an EC/TDS meter for nutes before you can start growing. Hanna pen meters are not renowned for reliability, but their more expensive ones can last a while. The most reliable TDS meter I've ever seen is the Bluelab Truncheon. Avoid Chinese copies as found on Ebay.

I think your ventilation system needs a rethink. I can't see less than a 150mm main exhaust blower being needed in any case. If you're going to use a carbon filter, you'll need a centrifugal exhaust blower to push air into it. Axial fans won't work well into an obstructive load like a carbon filter You won't get anywhere near an axial fan's CFM rating if it is pushing air into a filter.
Doesn't matter. Warm white fluoros grow plants just as slowly as cool whites. vegging with fluoros is fine as long as you don't need a bunch of cuttings every 2 weeks.
Thanks Al for clearing a few things for me. I am currently growing in soil with the organics. I was wrong on some of the fans in my grow room. I have a fan on the bottom that is a 4" Inline Fan rated at 80 CFM pushing fresh air in from outside. The fan I have for heat exhaust is the GrowBright 4" Inline fan uses that pushes 170 cfm of air. It is actually connected to the 400W with a flange as well as one just hanging above.I'ts dragging the hot air out of the room. The light is a 400 Watt FLORALUX ballast housing connected to the reflector all in one unit.

I will eventually get a 600W HPS with a cool tube and change the heat exhuast to the one you have posted.

So I just want to rebuild and change a few things on the next grow project. Just getting plan put together so I know what I need to change. I mean the current setup is working actually really good, and getting nice results, but they could always better. Here is the most recent pic of my buds. And a horrible drawing of what I want the room to function as......

Thanks for all your help. I'm slowly building and changing to a better setup. Will most likely end up using the old 400 w/ MH conv. bulb for clones and use the floro for seed and vegging as well.
 

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DeweyKox

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I want to go w 600W and build it to save money, but want noise level to be low. If I change out all my 4" to 6" and add a fan control, what do you recommend I do about the ballast? Or should I go digital?
 

NorCalBlunts

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Hey Al,
THanks for your help on your last question on whether or not to trim anything over 1 inch everywhere but now since I have pruned it up (end of week 1) i am now nearing the end of week 2 and they have continued to stretch and the foliage has begun to grow dense... Would it hurt them if I trimmed again at the end of week 2 and the end of week 3?
Thanks
 

HAZEOHOLIC

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Hello Al thanks I would like to know what if one would have smalls clones can I use 5" or 6" pots untill harvest? Also would it effect yeild verse having tall clones, Also if the roots start comming out the bottom of the pots how would one address that problem. Thanks for your insight once again AL
 
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