Aerocloners unite!!!

d4mth3m4n

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I'm doing my cloning tonight and was going over forums to refresh myself and saw this and really liked the idea. I've built a few cloners that i'm going to give a go this time to see what works best for me.

I've tried the "cheapo aero" cloners with the bubble wands but those to me are just bullshit as they're too much to maintain. I've tried the ezgrow plugs and i hate having to deal with a humidity dome as it really limits the amount you can get in the cloner.

I'm shooting to get 120 successful clones this time and am trying the following methods:

Aerocloner, very similar to the sparkafire made. It's made from a rubbermaid roughneck (greatest home-grow tub ever). Used some weather stripping around the rim of the tub to create a seal for the lid. I've cut 66 1 3/4" holes in the top of the lid in which i'm placing 2" ezcloner plugs into to hold the clones and create a seal for no leaks. I've got a 396gph pump, pumping into pvc running throughout the tub with the red 360* spray nozzles.

I've also seen a method on CC that seemed almost too easy to me, but i'm still going to give it a try. hydro clones for dumbies - Cannabis Culture Forums
I'm basically going to just use a section of the ezcloner plugs that I purchased for the aero cloner to hold the clones and make them easy to insert and take out, and it will float perfect. Just going to set that in another roughneck tub (instead of the fishtank he used) and see how that goes. If that works i'm going to be very greatful as it's a low energy/easy to maintain method of getting clones. And he supposedly got them at a very fast rate.

Also creating a more dense version of the 66 site unit I had mentioned before to see how overpopulation could lead to less taking or is all the magic mostly in the rootzone?

All of these are going to be under a t5 8 bulb light on 24/0 lighting/pumps.

After cloning for a little bit and having some problems and looking into things I think humidity in the rootzone is VERY key to getting things to take fast. So i'm hoping that using the weatherstripping and very tight fitting clone holders I can create a very good seal and get a good amount of humidity going in a short amount of time. Starting tonight but i'll be back with updates.
 

grandpabear3

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i have decided to do a three way side by side comparison of cloning techniques. one will be the aerocloner, the next will be rapid rooters in a humidome on a heat mat and the third will be albfuct style rw cubes on a heat mat. i'm gonna settle it once and for all for me personally. i'll start a cloning journal and post pics like crazy. it'll be a hoot:weed:
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sparkafire

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i have decided to do a three way side by side comparison of cloning techniques. one will be the aerocloner, the next will be rapid rooters in a humidome on a heat mat and the third will be albfuct style rw cubes on a heat mat. i'm gonna settle it once and for all for me personally. i'll start a cloning journal and post pics like crazy. it'll be a hoot:weed:
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Looking forward to that Bugs
 

Old in the Way

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Spark, Bugs,

Been a while...... as i said a while back i was preparing to cut clones and rock the 120 unit aerocloner as well as test driving Al's method in a tray on the heat mat.

So i have the aerocloner full and a couple trays of clones on the heat mat.

They all look good on the surface but when i took the lid off the aerocloner to check ph the stems have atrophied (sp?) a little and are browning up---is this normal? Should i be concerned? Will they root despite the stem size contracting a bit and browning?? Is this an indication of rot setting in?? Water is at 5.8ph with h202 at 1.5ml/L Temps are 82-86 in the clone zone RH 70++% Water Temps are running a constant with ambient temps, sometimes a degree more. Could the water temps be to high??
 

GypsyBush

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I have had stem rot from it being too wet... and it really stunted the growth... but they are still alive, even if lagging behind the others...

G:leaf:
 

sparkafire

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Spark, Bugs,

Been a while...... as i said a while back i was preparing to cut clones and rock the 120 unit aerocloner as well as test driving Al's method in a tray on the heat mat.

So i have the aerocloner full and a couple trays of clones on the heat mat.

They all look good on the surface but when i took the lid off the aerocloner to check ph the stems have atrophied (sp?) a little and are browning up---is this normal? Should i be concerned? Will they root despite the stem size contracting a bit and browning?? Is this an indication of rot setting in?? Water is at 5.8ph with h202 at 1.5ml/L Temps are 82-86 in the clone zone RH 70++% Water Temps are running a constant with ambient temps, sometimes a degree more. Could the water temps be to high??
Hey brother areocloner!!

You should not have any shrinkage in the stems and brown is not a good color. This is hard for me because it seems that i am not having problems not caused by me and so its hard to tell you whats going on. My water temp is about 80 degrees ambient same as yours and i am running tap water with no H2o2 and 5.8 PH 24/7 its like the Ronson Rotisserie set it and forget it. Lets look at other things. How do you make your cuts and put them into the cloner? what are you setting them into jiffy pellets? Don't ask bugs was just doing that at one point :wall: LOL give some more details of how you go about cloning and lets see if we can pin point your issue.
 

GypsyBush

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I have had stem rot from it being too wet... and it really stunted the growth... but they are still alive, even if lagging behind the others...

G:leaf:
UH isn't an areocloner supposed to keep the stems wet? I think that's the whole point.

OH! You are 100% correct...

...and I don't mean to barge in here pretending I know anything...

I am just sharing something that has happened to me...



As you can see in the pictures, these seedlings have browning and thinning of the stems...

Which was caused by the foam I use being too wet at the top... where the stem comes out...

I resolved this by having less of the foam inside of the container... in fact I just slid the whole foam/plant unit out just a bit...

That has allowed the bottom to stay moist, while allowing the stem to stay dry and rot free...

I am sorry if what I am saying is incorrect, but I am just going by what I see, and the results of my remedies...

Cheers and best of luck to all...

Gypsy...:joint::peace:
 

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sparkafire

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OH! You are 100% correct...

...and I don't mean to barge in here pretending I know anything...

I am just sharing something that has happened to me...



As you can see in the pictures, these seedlings have browning and thinning of the stems...

Which was caused by the foam I use being too wet at the top... where the stem comes out...

I resolved this by having less of the foam inside of the container... in fact I just slid the whole foam/plant unit out just a bit...

That has allowed the bottom to stay moist, while allowing the stem to stay dry and rot free...

I am sorry if what I am saying is incorrect, but I am just going by what I see, and the results of my remedies...

Cheers and best of luck to all...

Gypsy...:joint::peace:
Ah geez now you made me feel bad. :wall: I have no problems with you jumping in . In fact that's what this is for....

In your post you didn't elaborate as you you having problems just a generic sentence. Lets see if we can get you hooked up with some help.

Thanks for the pics do you have more? Give more details of your cloning system. :weed:
 

GypsyBush

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Ah geez now you made me feel bad. :wall: I have no problems with you jumping in . In fact that's what this is for....

In your post you didn't elaborate as you you having problems just a generic sentence. Lets see if we can get you hooked up with some help.

Thanks for the pics do you have more? Give more details of your cloning system. :weed:
Oh man... it's all good....

We're all here just having fun... I'm sorry... I really didn't want to come off as a dick...

I really don't know much at all... I am used to throwing handfuls of seeds in a field and coming back months later....

This is my first time growing indoors (in a hotel room...) ...

So to give a little history on what I have going...

Got 3 clones from a friend...

Put them iin my AeroGarden along with 4 clippings I took from the original ones...

1 is doing well with a lot of roots, but not before struggling for a while...

1 dried up and died...

1 fought and then died...

I believe they died because of overwatering... they just drowned in the AG...

and the last little girl... the 2 incher was put in a pop bottle/shoe string cloner until I saw little nubs....

From there it went to the tupperware container with the airstone (which I loosely refer to as the mini DWC tray)... where it is thriving along with some other plants...

These seedlings were put on the foam and the bubbles keep it wet enough for really good action... tap roots usually show in 12 to 24 hours...

The foam allows me to move the seedling up, forcing the root to reach down for the moist part of the foam...

Not being very experienced, I pushed the foam in too far, allowing all of it to become saturated...

I don't think that it lost it's aeration as much as rockwool would, but it did allow the stem to be affected...

I know this thread is not about seedlings... and I hope it was ok for me to out all this out here, but it did seem relevant to the person that metioned browning and thinning stems...

I hope the pictures explain better than my words... lol






































Wow... that was a lot of pictures...

But now you know exactly how and where I got the little knowledge I do possess ... lol

I hope no one is pissed I posted so many pics...

Thanks everyone...

Gypsy...:leaf:
 

Old in the Way

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You should not have any shrinkage in the stems and brown is not a good color. This is hard for me because it seems that i am not having problems not caused by me and so its hard to tell you whats going on. My water temp is about 80 degrees ambient same as yours and i am running tap water with no H2o2 and 5.8 PH 24/7 its like the Ronson Rotisserie set it and forget it. Lets look at other things. How do you make your cuts and put them into the cloner? what are you setting them into jiffy pellets? Don't ask bugs was just doing that at one point LOL give some more details of how you go about cloning and lets see if we can pin point your issue.
Cuts made with sterilized scalpels new out of individual foil wrapped packages--immediately into gel. Then into the neoprene plugs that came with EZ Cloner 120.

Getting water 24/7.....still.

I am new to aerocloning. All my clones in rapid rooters are in a tray on the heat mat and they look great..no losses yet (3 full days)

No losses in the aerocloner either and a few have bumps--they actually didn't look as bad at the end of lights on tonight. I may have been prematurely alarmed by the discoloration---its not crayola brown or anything---I am going to give them a couple days.

Do you mist the clones in the aerocloner or do you literally set it and forget it. My RH is over 70 but i mist a couple times a day when i mist the ones on the heat mat.
 

sparkafire

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Cuts made with sterilized scalpels new out of individual foil wrapped packages--immediately into gel. Then into the neoprene plugs that came with EZ Cloner 120.

Getting water 24/7.....still.

I am new to aerocloning. All my clones in rapid rooters are in a tray on the heat mat and they look great..no losses yet (3 full days)

No losses in the aerocloner either and a few have bumps--they actually didn't look as bad at the end of lights on tonight. I may have been prematurely alarmed by the discoloration---its not crayola brown or anything---I am going to give them a couple days.

Do you mist the clones in the aerocloner or do you literally set it and forget it. My RH is over 70 but i mist a couple times a day when i mist the ones on the heat mat.

Hmmm like i said before it hard to pick one thing that your doing wrong or could do differently. I use a xzacto knife cleaned with rubbing alcohol at the beginning and once every couple of cuts. I don't dip my clones in anything and i immediately put them into a working cloner.

I don't cut my stems and i never spray them although i did scrape some this time just to see if there was a difference.. I have a small fan that moves air around the box but not on them. My water was at 88 degrees last night when i checked them. And yes i set it and forget it.

My thoughts are to stop dipping and spraying and for me it was REALLY cleaning my cloner between cycles and things are better.
 

grandpabear3

New Member
i'm not allowed to talk about cloning anymore....i hereby temporarily abdicate my weed baron title until i can learn to whoop these liluns into shape.
 

grandpabear3

New Member
1st pic....day 8.5 no roots!
2nd and 3rd are the beautifully green shithole fuckin sorry ass clones.
#4 is a wide shot of the chamber....notice the words on top? lol
 

sparkafire

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ya...i may have went a bit overboard....but when it went fast i scraped and split them.

YA THINK?? i do none of that. but as i said in the prior post i did this time SLIGHTLY scrape some of them for testing. and i mean slightly bugs!!:wall:
 
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