Advanced Nutrients for Newb's?

chuck estevez said:

Some people just really hate this awful company and we feel the need to tell noobs. It's a forum, do I need to post the definition of forum?

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Some people, being the 5-10 members talking shit on EVERY AN thread. I cant even help people better utilize the products, because mother fuckers want to get in 10 page debates over bs that doesn't even pertain to the original topic.

941mick said:

Some people, being the 5-10 members talking shit on EVERY AN thread. I cant even help people better utilize the products, because mother fuckers want to get in 10 page debates over bs that doesn't even pertain to the original topic.

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and then there is the 3 that soap box it for AN, 1 being a rep, the other a part time hydrostore employee,and who knows what the other 1 does.

941mick said:

Some people, being the 5-10 members talking shit on EVERY AN thread. I cant even help people better utilize the products, because mother fuckers want to get in 10 page debates over bs that doesn't even pertain to the original topic.

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Chuck has a point. If others didn't feel the need to reply so much they wouldn't have as much reason to troll (or invitation of "air-time" to save the newbies who evidentally wouldn't find a "why I don't use AN" thread).

I don't think I've seen a forum where such trolling is allowed to flourish. But, you guys kind of invite it. They perceive themselves as being "on a mission." It's religious for them. Ignoring would be the best option, IMO.

Having said that, I'll continue to ignore these AN threads because I have no vested interest. It just seems like such a bad vibe. Had to comment.

Hoisting a bottle of nutrients to you!

az2000 said:

Chuck has a point. If others didn't feel the need to reply so much they wouldn't have as much reason to troll (or invitation of "air-time" to save the newbies who evidentally wouldn't find a "why I don't use AN" thread).

I don't think I've seen a forum where such trolling is allowed to flourish. But, you guys kind of invite it. They perceive themselves as being "on a mission." It's religious for them. Ignoring would be the best option, IMO.

Having said that, I'll continue to ignore these AN threads because I have no vested interest. It just seems like such a bad vibe. Had to comment.

Hoisting a bottle of nutrients to you!

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I could show you the other AN thread that went for 6 pages of Brobie taking shots at me before I responded. But, i really Don't care if you don't like us trolling AN threads, If I save 1 noob from buying?using/Falling for their BS, I have done my job.

chuck estevez said:

I could show you the other AN thread that went for 6 pages of Brobie taking shots at me before I responded. But, i really Don't care if you don't like us trolling AN threads, If I save 1 noob from buying?using/Falling for their BS, I have done my job.

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it's not your job unless you are getting paid for it....Like AZ said you guys seem to be on a mission. I obviously have demonstrated that their products work well. If it was a product that didn't work I would be more understanding.

941mick said:

it's not your job unless you are getting paid for it....Like AZ said you guys seem to be on a mission. I obviously have demonstrated that their products work well. If it was a product that didn't work I would be more understanding.

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and you guys seem to be on a mission to promote it, i have great reasons for hating on them. Plus, it's MY time. If I want to save the newbs, why do you care?

chuck estevez said:

and you guys seem to be on a mission to promote it, i have great reasons for hating on them. Plus, it's MY time. If I want to save the newbs, why do you care?

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I have bashed countless AN products like Conny, Rhino, Bud Blood, Bud ignitor. I just don't like seeing people lump all of them together when some of their products work well and are worth the price. A lot of people are just spreading misinformation which is not good for noobs either. For example budman's comment about their ph technology not working unless you use the whole line is complete bs.

The only thing I have honestly soap boxed for is photosynthesis plus, because it is a product that I do suggest people use and check out. I only posted the Kushie Kush thread in attempt to save AN Big Bud users money, something you guys seem to harp on the most....

These AN threads are funny, a waste of time, but at least humorous. Here's my take, yes I use AN products, shoot me later, at least look at the numbers first though...

If I were using nutes heavily like in some form of hydro I'd make my own. I use a semi-soiless mix (50% Pro-Mix/50% Triple Mix soil), then supplement feeds, I use strictly the AN sensi grow/bloom A&B in minimal amounts. It works fine. It seems most folks are pissed at their marketing hype and never ending supplements which are not necessary at all. If you don't buy into that their base products do the job just fine.

My estimated costs for a full run (4 plants) I have going now using AN A&B sensi line:

Veg: Feed every other time, water-only in between. Average every 4 days through veg
8 week veg = 7 feedings @600 ppm maximum = 95 ml into 16 L every feeding = 665 ml total

Flower: Feed every other time, water-only in between. Average every 3 days though flowering
8 week flowering = 10 feedings @600 ppm maximum = 95 ml into 16L every feeding = 950 ml total

1x A&B Sensi Grow = $27 (Canadian) = 2000 ml total = 3 full grows @ $9.00 per grow
1x A&B Sensi Bloom = $27 (Canadian) = 2000 ml total = 2 full grows @ $13.50 per grow

Total Cost per grow: $22.50
350g yield = $0.06 per gram
300g yield = $0.075 per gram
250g yield = $0.09 per gram

Cost is relative, the shit works, when used sparingly and with RO/filtered water it manages your ph without any additional adjusters required. There is no need for all their (or anyone else's) supplements. At $0.06 to $0.09 per gram you have to worry about cost? Don't know about you guys but I'll spend my time worrying about more important things.

chuck estevez said:

real mature response.

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Just stooping ..........

Nice post Groerr.

941mick if u had even read that thread, the first post was a fellow asking whether or not he should fork out the money for overdrive or not. All I did was try to help him with a cheaper alternative that's works just aswell. If u had read any of my posts u would know that I used AN products for 4plus years and really like them a lot. I have just recently switched to Grow More because after continuously expanding my operation, it was hurting my pockets to keep spending that much on AN, when I could get the same it not better results with a cheaper brand. I was not hating or forcing an opinion. Just trying to help a fellow grower save some bucks. You may be made out of money but I'm not, and I know most others aren't. So you can ride Advanced's dick all you want, but get off mine. TROLL

HERB rastafari said:

941mick if u had even read that thread, the first post was a fellow asking whether or not he should fork out the money for overdrive or not. All I did was try to help him with a cheaper alternative that's works just aswell. If u had read any of my posts u would know that I used AN products for 4plus years and really like them a lot. I have just recently switched to Grow More because after continuously expanding my operation, it was hurting my pockets to keep spending that much on AN, when I could get the same it not better results with a cheaper brand. I was not hating or forcing an opinion. Just trying to help a fellow grower save some bucks. You may be made out of money but I'm not, and I know most others aren't. So you can ride Advanced's dick all you want, but get off mine. TROLL

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I already recognized what you are saying. Here is a formal apology:

You are not an AN hater pushing things on people. Please forgive me!

941mick

Y do you people even care what someone else uses if not to help the other person. If u like AN, I like that you Like AN. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to have intelligent discussions about other products also. And for the record I like AN a lot, if I was rich I would probably still be using it. Peace, Love and Ganja. Jah

haaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaa!!!!!!!!! these threads are so funny...

Sarcasm is classy. Just because other people in this community love to hate , that doesn't mean you should stoop to their level. And drag peoples name through the dirt that had nothing to do with it. ONE LOVe

HERB rastafari said:

Y do you people even care what someone else uses if not to help the other person. If u like AN, I like that you Like AN. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to have intelligent discussions about other products also. And for the record I like AN a lot, if I was rich I would probably still be using it. Peace, Love and Ganja. Jah

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haaahaaaaaaaaahaaa!!!!!!!!!! your too funny dude. this is like a comic routine. i love these threads

HERB rastafari said:

Y do you people even care what someone else uses if not to help the other person. If u like AN, I like that you Like AN. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to have intelligent discussions about other products also. And for the record I like AN a lot, if I was rich I would probably still be using it. Peace, Love and Ganja. Jah

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Just so you know. I have said on multiple occasions that Grow More is a great company. I recently started using biocozyme and love it. It works just as good as sensizyme, and way more cost efficient. I may even give alavache a try after I get threw my bottles of Overdrive. I give every company a fair shake and am not a fan boy by any means. If someone told me I had to find a replacement for AN it wouldn't bother me as much as finding replacements for other products I use.

941mick said:

Just so you know. I have said on multiple occasions that Grow More is a great company. I recently started using biocozyme and love it. It works just as good as sensizyme, and way more cost efficient. I may even give alavache a try after I get threw my bottles of Overdrive. I give every company a fair shake and am not a fan boy by any means. If someone told me I had to find a replacement for AN it wouldn't bother me as much as finding replacements for other products I use.

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haaahaaaaaaa,your too funny friend... these are all good jokes

Not tryin to step of in some stuff this is for the newbs like me who will see this in 5 years have used advanced nutrients for a while now first dwc grow only used connisoure it worked second dwc grow conisuer 4 flowerand sensi for grow workd a little better moved up to hobbiest worked even better if u buy the bundle its worth it so u don't looses leaves also for the guys just starting I know you have seen where the guys don't change water for weeks I tried it sounds great it didn't work for me really bad brown leafs from the bottom up I searched and searched looked like nut burn some plants looked really bad nope deficiency change water every week I never use full strength if u mix like they say you'll get 3000 ppm or something crazy not for sure on numbers but its up thers