A tax analogy, who's really paying their fair share?

beenthere · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
very good point. very good point indeed.

if he shows us a current picture of his plants with something on paper in the picture saying Hi Buck and See4. we can then see what he is actually growing, if anything at all.

Been there, done that, last year with Bucky and Samwell

I have seen buckies mids but I haven't seen shit from you see4, for all I know, you don't even grow.

echelon1k1 · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
I have AutoCAD, but I was thinking about getting either Bryce or Houdini. I have no friggin clue what a lecko is or what PLC is.

lecko - electrician / PLC - programmable logic controller (if you're getting a CNC, you'll understand)

see4 · Dec 3, 2013

beenthere said:
Been there, done that, last year with Bucky and Samwell

I have seen buckies mids but I haven't seen shit from you see4, for all I know, you don't even grow.

Yep. Compulsive liar. You just commented on my bud porn the other day. Go to bed man, you need sleep.

Red1966 · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
I suppose I could apologize for my harshness. But I did not explicitly state you are too stupid, I implied that you are either one or the other. So if you are being difficult, then ok, I apologize, if not, then well, youre too stupid and you will forget this conversation every happened.

That sounded very sincere.

see4 · Dec 3, 2013

echelon1k1 said:
lecko - electrician / PLC - programmable logic controller (if you're getting a CNC, you'll understand)

good to know. im getting the cnc to mill 80% lowers. but would like to cut my own wheels. i think that would be a shit ton of fun.

see4 · Dec 3, 2013

Red1966 said:
That sounded very sincere.

Yea, I came off harsh on that as well. I'm an abrasive person. what can i say...

UncleBuck · Dec 3, 2013

beenthere said:
buckies mids

note the outright lie.

note that i do not believe that he posted an authentic pic last year when he showed myself and samwell an undersized pic of a vert grow room.

i believe that beenthere is lying until he posts a proof pic, because he is such a prolific liar.

UncleBuck · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
Yep. Compulsive liar. You just commented on my bud porn the other day. Go to bed man, you need sleep.

he blocked it out, cognitive dissoance.

beenthere is a compulsive liar and your buds looked fine. better than echelon's.

Red1966 · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
You are right, I should not have said you don't provide any advice. I haven't looked hard enough. So based on his pay stub, he pays a much higher effective tax rate than Romney. Furthermore, based on his own admission he has been taxed at 25%. What proof do you have that he has not?

Withholding on his pay stub doesn't indicate tax at all. His "admission" doesn't prove his "admission". He has promised to post his tax returns for well over a year now to prove his claim. He has not yet done so. This would indicate the burden of proof is on him.

echelon1k1 · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
good to know. im getting the cnc to mill 80% lowers. but would like to cut my own wheels. i think that would be a shit ton of fun.

honestly, I cannot seriously stress enough a good electrician with a solid grounding in industrial PLC. You should have it in the back of your mind if you come into contact with tradesmen, ask them questions, search forums the reason being - it will save you time and money and you know you've got someone on hand that is capable of repairing/servicing the machine at a moments notice, nothing worse than getting something new and experiencing problems, pisses me off to no end.

see4 · Dec 3, 2013

Red1966 said:
Withholding on his pay stub doesn't indicate tax at all. His "admission" doesn't prove his "admission". He has promised to post his tax returns for well over a year now to prove his claim. He has not yet done so. This would indicate the burden of proof is on him.

No. The burden off proof is not on him. He stated the claim. Just as in court, I can state a claim, and it is believed to be true until otherwise proven false.

So go run along little boy, go find that proof.

Red1966 · Dec 3, 2013

echelon1k1 said:
lecko - electrician / PLC - programmable logic controller (if you're getting a CNC, you'll understand)

I have used and programmed CNC machinery for 20 years and have never used a PLC.

beenthere · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
That is not what we are disputing. You must be trolling, because nobody is this fucking stupid.

see4 said:
Ok, you are either purposely being difficult because you know the answer, or you're too stupid to know the answer.

see4 said:
Yep. Compulsive liar. You just commented on my bud porn the other day. Go to bed man, you need sleep.

Really, didn't you do the same for one of mine?

see4 said:
I'm not angry, not in the slightest, the name calling stems from you. "It's not me, it's you"

see4 said:
Ok, let's take this argument, what you just said, at face value. How can you derive from what he has stated and his paystub that he does not pay 25% tax? Show me the proof. Do it. I dare you.

The proof is his gross income, nuff said.
It's clear to me that discussing taxes is not your forte, so I'll Leave it at that.

see4 · Dec 3, 2013

echelon1k1 said:
honestly, I cannot seriously stress enough a good electrician with a solid grounding in industrial PLC. You should have it in the back of your mind if you come into contact with tradesmen, ask them questions, search forums the reason being - it will save you time and money and you know you've got someone on hand that is capable of repairing/servicing the machine at a moments notice, nothing worse than getting something new and experiencing problems, pisses me off to no end.

ok. i will certainly keep that in mind. i know a good electrician was key in finishing the kitchen in one of my homes. I roughed in the walls then put up the boxes, then got an electrician in, he looked at me and laughed, told me i was way out of code. he saved me a ton of money and headache. based on that, i totally believe you that a good electrician is an absolute must.

see4 · Dec 3, 2013

beenthere said:
Really, didn't you do the same for one of mine?
The proof is his gross income, nuff said.
It's clear to me that discussing taxes is not your forte, so I'll Leave it at that.

No. You could not be more wrong. He provided you with a table, from the IRS, that shows singles making 35k are taxed at 25% if left default and no deductions are taken. his pay stub further goes to show this. Show me the table from the IRS is false.

echelon1k1 · Dec 3, 2013

Red1966 said:
I have used and programmed CNC machinery for 20 years and have never used a PLC.

Many are now integrated. What do you think is firing your relays? I/O controllers.

Red1966 · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
No. The burden off proof is not on him. He stated the claim. Just as in court, I can state a claim, and it is believed to be true until otherwise proven false. So go run along little boy, go find that proof.

He showed a pay stub and claimed that as proof. As a pay stub is not proof, despite some idiots thinking it is, this indicates an intent to deceive. Buck is a known liar. There for, the burden of proof is on him. Your contention anyone's statements are true until proven false is ludicrous. Your contention is self serving and clearly false.

Red1966 · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
No. You could not be more wrong. He provided you with a table, from the IRS, that shows singles making 35k are taxed at 25% if left default and no deductions are taken. his pay stub further goes to show this. Show me the table from the IRS is false.

The tables shows the portion OVER 35k is taxed at 25% He made 28k (or so he claims). FAIL

Red1966 · Dec 3, 2013

echelon1k1 said:
Many are now integrated. What do you think is firing your relays? I/O controllers.

Fair enough. I was thinking of the units I've seen that come in a suitcase and can be plugged into other controls.

beenthere · Dec 3, 2013

see4 said:
No. You could not be more wrong. He provided you with a table, from the IRS, that shows singles making 35k are taxed at 25% if left default and no deductions are taken. his pay stub further goes to show this. Show me the table from the IRS is false.

UncleBuck said:
i have the returns, i can prove it.

sorry that your "analogy" was anything but analogous and you have no resort other than to pretend to know more about me than i do.

Year 2009 income brackets and tax rates

Marginal Tax Rate[SUP][3][/SUP] Single Married Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er) Married Filing Separately Head of Household
10% $0 – $8,350 $0 – $16,700 $0 – $8,350 $0 – $11,950
15% $8,351 – $33,950 $16,701 – $67,900 $8,351 – $33,950 $11,951 – $45,500
25% $33,951 – $82,250 $67,901 – $137,050 $33,951 – $68,525 $45,501 – $117,450
28% $82,251 – $171,550 $137,051 – $208,850 $68,526 – $104,425 $117,451 – $190,200
33% $171,551 – $372,950 $208,851 – $372,950 $104,426 – $186,475 $190,201 – $372,950
35% $372,951+ $372,951+ $186,476+ $372,951+

My God, you don't know the difference between a marginal and an effective tax rate, do you?
And you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
You called me a liar by saying I commented on one of your buds, but don't admit you did the same, dude, what's that say about you?

Marginal Tax Rate[SUP][3][/SUP]	Single	Married Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er)	Married Filing Separately	Head of Household
10%	$0 – $8,350	$0 – $16,700	$0 – $8,350	$0 – $11,950
15%	$8,351 – $33,950	$16,701 – $67,900	$8,351 – $33,950	$11,951 – $45,500
25%	$33,951 – $82,250	$67,901 – $137,050	$33,951 – $68,525	$45,501 – $117,450
28%	$82,251 – $171,550	$137,051 – $208,850	$68,526 – $104,425	$117,451 – $190,200
33%	$171,551 – $372,950	$208,851 – $372,950	$104,426 – $186,475	$190,201 – $372,950
35%	$372,951+	$372,951+	$186,476+	$372,951+

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