9.00 minimum wage is not enough...

nitro harley

nitro harley

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UncleBuck said:
$89 a month is what someone making $10 per hour might face.

so why would someone making $9 an hour pay that amount? :dunce:

someone making $9 per hour would face something closer to $70 a month.

i know, you will NEVER comprehend this. but it's fun to watch you flail.
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Ok 9.00 p/h is 18,700 =74.00 per month,.........10.00 p/h =89.00.....A fifteen dollar difference, not enough to argue over really..
 
Rancho Cucamonga

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PeyoteReligion said:
Again with this shit from you. I agree with what was said in the other thread, you start a shoot out with cops and your rights pretty much go out the window. What the hell kind of perfect world do you live in? And yes I believe you should have moved up the ladder to making above minimum wage jobs by the time you are 25. How is that fascist to think people should not settle for minimum wage jobs at that age? It's your own fault to sit in a low paying job, I'm not forcing anything onto anyone.
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lol OK. Even though I agree a 25 year old should be working or have a career making more then minimum wage, I'm not going to put those people that don't get that far in life in some category that punishes them. Same goes for accused murders, yes I want to join in on mob rule and wish death to them but I want everyone, including people from Dahmer to Emery, to have a fair trial before a sentence is given out.

I just use the word fascist a lot.
 
Rancho Cucamonga

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tumorhead said:
It's been over $9/hr here in WA for a while, I wonder what it'll go up to now....and we don't allow cuts for servers and tips employee's like they do on the east coast, they get the full $9+ minimum wage plus tips. When I lived in MD they could pay you some fucking $2/hr if you worked for tips.
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Well it will go up zero being if any federal $9 an hour minimum wage law is passed states that are already there won't be doing anything about it. It's all BS anyway, most of what Obama says or promises will not happen, this can be verified by his campaign promises from both terms that he has failed to come through on, same can be said about any president, democrap or republicunt.
 
Saltrock

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I pay 68 a month in ins. Won't their be help for the people that are making under a certain amount? Like a subsidy?

Peace
Salt
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Saltrock said:
I pay 68 a month in ins. Won't their be help for the people that are making under a certain amount? Like a subsidy?

Peace
Salt
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yes.

people making up to 133% of poverty, about $15k for a single no children, will be eligible for medicaid.

then it goes up from there. people making up to 400% of poverty will have their premiums capped by law.

a single no children making $20k a year ($10 an hour) will pay about 5%, or $85 bucks a month at most.

a single no children making $45k a year (400% of poverty) will pay about 10%, or $350 bucks a month at most. that is about what you would have to pay on the open market for insurance if you had no job or got no benefits, aka the current reality.

many will pay less. back when i was making $28k or so a year, my employer offered a decent enough plan at $50 a month.
 
Winter Woman

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UncleBuck said:
go ahead and cite this $4500 - $5500 penalty for being fat or smoking then.

if you can and it checks out, i will apologize.

if it turns out that you got duped by some right wing carnival barker, like usual, i will have no choice but to call you a cunt for trying to spread the misinformation (and for you being a shitty consumer of information).
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By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR
The Associated Press



WASHINGTON – Millions of smokers could be priced out of health insurance because of tobacco penalties in President Obama’s health-care law, according to experts who are teasing out the potential impact of a little-noted provision in the massive legislation.

The Affordable Care Act — or “Obamacare” — allows health insurers to charge smokers buying individual policies up to 50 percent higher premiums starting next Jan. 1.

For a 55-year-old smoker, the penalty could reach nearly $4,250 a year. A 60-year-old could wind up paying nearly $5,100 on top of premiums.


UB, Still drinking that Kool Aid?
 
ProfessorPotSnob

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Try living in Michigan with a Minimum Wage @ $ 7.45 an Hour .. Cost of living here does not compensate for such shitty pay either , its a hole but a good one to grow in ..
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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PeyoteReligion said:
Kids can stay on their parents health insurance until 26 now. Please lets use facts here. Not 19. By the age of 26 you should not be working in a minimum wage job anymore IMO.
SEC. 2714 [42 U.S.C. 300gg–14]. EXTENSION OF DEPENDENT COVERAGE.
‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—A group health plan and a health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage that provides dependent coverage of children shall continue to make such coverage available for an adult child until the child turns 26 years of age. Nothing in this section shall require a health plan or a health insurance issuer described in the preceding sentence to make coverage available for a child of a child receiving dependent coverage. [As revised by section 2301(b) of HCERA]
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UNTIL THE CHILD REACHES 26 YEARS OF AGE...

When the fuck did you become a child up to that date?

We have *kids* that have been serving in the military for 8 years at that point...

How fucking ridiculous is that????
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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NLXSK1 said:
UNTIL THE CHILD REACHES 26 YEARS OF AGE...

When the fuck did you become a child up to that date?

We have *kids* that have been serving in the military for 8 years at that point...

How fucking ridiculous is that????
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BarryO's wife could still be breast feeding.....Back when I was 26 I had my own business , BarryO needs to raise his bar a little bit higher. and put the tit away....
 
Doer

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Rancho Cucamonga said:
Agree with argument but what are the real costs? If I pay 90 a month what exactly does the average person get? A $50 copay for meds, a 5,000 deductible for medical care and procedures. What exactly is this 90 a month for, just so one isn't fined and/or jailed for refusing to carry health care insurance?

We need single-payer more then ever, make it simple, cheap and get private insurance companies out of the health care industry period.
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You can't be serious?! You want govt, not private insurance? Go asked those on Medicare and Medicad. So much paper, so much finger pointing, so much waste and fraud, so much triaging your life away while no one cares. I had to get out of Kaiser before they killed me with triage delays. They told me to forget chemo and take a cruise. I had a good life at 45 years, I should just clear out for the next generation. Medical patriotism? That is next. Obama is already setting the groundwork with that crack about maybe his relative should not have had her hip replaced. DO YOU WANT THAT???.

I got to vote with my feet, almost dead, seriously. And now I'm happy typing at you and just turned 61 years. That's what you want, choice.

I'm afraid you have not thought it through and have very little to no experience in these life or death medical matters. Even now, they don't want you to live. It's un-patrotic as the Maxists define, but it is the Preamble and the 9th that allow me choice.

National heathcare is triage lines and decreasing spend from the ripped of funds, just like medicare, social security, all of it.

Why could it possibly be different? All the evidence, to me says, you are over simplifying, and so buying into the dupe to take your medical choices when you are the weakest and need it most.

Just dig for the stats in England and Canada. They are killing the elderly by neglect to support the workers with free or low cost heath care. Is it making a wonderful society? Or is it a clamped down, Age based secret death panels?

Doom for medical science. Doom for fairness. And it creates a secret govt access to the very highest and best care, controlled thought the funding, but only for the elite. Congress already has a separate heath care.

This can easily become like Brave New Worlds actual. Over time an Alpha class of leaders can emerge with twice the life span of Beta's which have twice the life of the Charlie class. That is how it exists, de facto in the world today. Think about it. You want that here?
 
highfirejones

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9 p h sure as fuck aint livable w/o roomates, wealthy parents, or something, its possible if u r single and eat raman always but not with a life or problems imo
 
canndo

canndo

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Doer said:
You can't be serious?! You want govt, not private insurance? Go asked those on Medicare and Medicad. So much paper, so much finger pointing, so much waste and fraud, so much triaging your life away while no one cares. I had to get out of Kaiser before they killed me with triage delays. They told me to forget chemo and take a cruise. I had a good life at 45 years, I should just clear out for the next generation. Medical patriotism? That is next. Obama is already setting the groundwork with that crack about maybe his relative should not have had her hip replaced. DO YOU WANT THAT???.

I got to vote with my feet, almost dead, seriously. And now I'm happy typing at you and just turned 61 years. That's what you want, choice.

I'm afraid you have not thought it through and have very little to no experience in these life or death medical matters. Even now, they don't want you to live. It's un-patrotic as the Maxists define, but it is the Preamble and the 9th that allow me choice.

National heathcare is triage lines and decreasing spend from the ripped of funds, just like medicare, social security, all of it.

Why could it possibly be different? All the evidence, to me says, you are over simplifying, and so buying into the dupe to take your medical choices when you are the weakest and need it most.

Just dig for the stats in England and Canada. They are killing the elderly by neglect to support the workers with free or low cost heath care. Is it making a wonderful society? Or is it a clamped down, Age based secret death panels?

Doom for medical science. Doom for fairness. And it creates a secret govt access to the very highest and best care, controlled thought the funding, but only for the elite. Congress already has a separate heath care.

This can easily become like Brave New Worlds actual. Over time an Alpha class of leaders can emerge with twice the life span of Beta's which have twice the life of the Charlie class. That is how it exists, de facto in the world today. Think about it. You want that here?
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You would rather a company fatten their bottom line by finding ways to get rid of those who have been faithfully paying their premiums for years but look as though they might just finally cost the company some money after all? A CEO making 30 million a year demands that his company cut off a woman who has breast cancer because she failed to report a broken finger she had when she was 15? Paper work? I am quite certain you are aware of the paperwork involved in a private insurance policy. I also am certain you are aware of the arbitrary nature and reasoning behind 15 - 30 percent increases in premiums because "health costs have risen" - all the while we see that their stock holders have gotten a healthy dividend.

What, exactly do you figure private insurance companies contribute to the health of this nation? Medicare has been found to be far more efficient on a dollar for care basis than almost any private insurer. Before Obama care, a private insurer could divert as much money as it wished from actual payment for care to other things - things unrelated to health, like extravagant meetings, huge salaries, "profit" sharing "incentives" - that actually incentivize denying coverage or implementing health "redlining".

The best thing that could happen to this country is for all health insurance companies to be abolished and the quicker the better.
 
canndo

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If we would actually control our borders and find a way to prop up our economy we would likely not need this artificial minimum wage. I am a believer in supply and demand - in labor as well as elsewhere. The right, I feel, rightly frowns on a national minimum wage but they run into problems when they also frown on anything akin to group bargaining rights or anything that might protect the wage of the lower class earners. So long as they seem to encourage serfdom in the United States they will continue to look foolish even when their "ideas" or objections have some merit.

They gave Obama everything he needed to crush them and he is beginning to actually do that. Were I him, I would be out taking revenge upon the right for all of the slights, the backstabbing, the obstructionism, the lies and the polarity they have foisted upon this country - I can't understand how he resists as well as he does, how he at least appears to still want to foster bipartisanship and at least appears to still have faith in Republican leadership.

Bohener - what a piece of work, complaining that he has always gotten the short end of the negotiation stick with Obama when he knows full well what his party has done in the last 4 years all in the name of making Obama a one term president.
 
Doer

Doer

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canndo said:
You would rather a company fatten their bottom line by finding ways to get rid of those who have been faithfully paying their premiums for years but look as though they might just finally cost the company some money after all? A CEO making 30 million a year demands that his company cut off a woman who has breast cancer because she failed to report a broken finger she had when she was 15? Paper work? I am quite certain you are aware of the paperwork involved in a private insurance policy. I also am certain you are aware of the arbitrary nature and reasoning behind 15 - 30 percent increases in premiums because "health costs have risen" - all the while we see that their stock holders have gotten a healthy dividend.

What, exactly do you figure private insurance companies contribute to the health of this nation? Medicare has been found to be far more efficient on a dollar for care basis than almost any private insurer. Before Obama care, a private insurer could divert as much money as it wished from actual payment for care to other things - things unrelated to health, like extravagant meetings, huge salaries, "profit" sharing "incentives" - that actually incentivize denying coverage or implementing health "redlining".

The best thing that could happen to this country is for all health insurance companies to be abolished and the quicker the better.
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You know, I feel ya. But, how is it better for the govt to do it? I'm not saying what we have is perfect and there is no triage, but, by God, now I can lean on the system and get the choices. It's like pulling teeth to get coverage for what is clearly covered.

But, they will initially lie about it. But, I have choice and with for profit companies, all I have to do is write a hand written letter to the CEO.

BlueCross jumps to and apologies and finally coughs up the $12K they were holding back in hopes I would die. They hoped the withholding would cause my death.

And you think the faceless, don't give a shit, nameless, not for profit, all for waste, govt bureaucracy will be better? Your hand written letter will be pissed on and end up mocked on a Youtube. That's the govt and I am duty bound to mistrust it. An American.

Give me one example where the govt has taken anything from private industry and made it better.
 
canndo

canndo

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Doer said:
You know, I feel ya. But, how is it better for the govt to do it? I'm not saying what we have is perfect and there is no triage, but, by God, now I can lean on the system and get the choices. It's like pulling teeth to get coverage for what is clearly covered.

But, they will initially lie about it. But, I have choice and with for profit companies, all I have to do is write a hand written letter to the CEO.

BlueCross jumps to and apologies and finally coughs up the $12K they were holding back in hopes I would die. They hoped the withholding would cause my death.

And you think the faceless, don't give a shit, nameless, not for profit, all for waste, govt bureaucracy will be better? Your hand written letter will be pissed on and end up mocked on a Youtube. That's the govt and I am duty bound to mistrust it. An American.

Give me one example where the govt has taken anything from private industry and made it better.
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I'll ask you again, what exactly do private health insurance companies contribute?

You say all you have to do is send a letter- now what if your bill was not 12k but 112k? you figure a letter would do you any good? What recourse do you have if they don't pay?


Oh, and you want an example of government making something better? Medicare, before medicare we had pretty much chaos. Imagine what would happen now if folks over 65 had to go out and get private insurance - that is if they could get it at all, it would be thousands a month, and if they had chronic conditions? Then what?
 
A

althor

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Winter Woman said:
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR
The Associated Press



WASHINGTON – Millions of smokers could be priced out of health insurance because of tobacco penalties in President Obama’s health-care law, according to experts who are teasing out the potential impact of a little-noted provision in the massive legislation.

The Affordable Care Act — or “Obamacare” — allows health insurers to charge smokers buying individual policies up to 50 percent higher premiums starting next Jan. 1.

For a 55-year-old smoker, the penalty could reach nearly $4,250 a year. A 60-year-old could wind up paying nearly $5,100 on top of premiums.


UB, Still drinking that Kool Aid?
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Smokers cost an additional 96 billion a year in health costs.

That is partly offset due to smokers dying earlier than non-smokers.

Obesity costs an addition 120 billion a year in health costs.

That is partly offset due to obese dying earlier than non-obese.


Either way, if they can double premiums on smokers, that is an open door to double premiums on obese.

Once they open those doors, what comes next? If you eat white bread, one of the major causes of diabetes? If you eat fast-food more than 3x a year? etc. etc.

The government doesn't reverse course, they continue to gobble it up.
 
Doer

Doer

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canndo said:
I'll ask you again, what exactly do private health insurance companies contribute?

You say all you have to do is send a letter- now what if your bill was not 12k but 112k? you figure a letter would do you any good? What recourse do you have if they don't pay?


Oh, and you want an example of government making something better? Medicare, before medicare we had pretty much chaos. Imagine what would happen now if folks over 65 had to go out and get private insurance - that is if they could get it at all, it would be thousands a month, and if they had chronic conditions? Then what?
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I am for-mostly self insured, as are you. You are responsible. I will live as best I can. If they didn't pay me back, so what?

I lived. You do know that Medicare was raided for $3/4 B to get the very wasteful, choiceless scam they now have. So, the waste fraud and abuse will be 10 folded. And Medicare will be gone. That's govt. Corporations have some accountability. Govt, none. So, they are about to drive your wasteful do-gooder Medicare out of business. And that's with no accounting except for the voting in/out of over 500 people from all the States.

The regulations that run these programs like say the VA or GSA are not accountable, at all.

You haven't tried to live through it. These social theories go out the window.
 
canndo

canndo

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Doer said:
I am for-mostly self insured, as are you. You are responsible. I will live as best I can. If they didn't pay me back, so what?

I lived. You do know that Medicare was raided for $3/4 B to get the very wasteful, choiceless scam they now have. So, the waste fraud and abuse will be 10 folded. And Medicare will be gone. That's govt. Corporations have some accountability. Govt, none. So, they are about to drive your wasteful do-gooder Medicare out of business. And that's with no accounting except for the voting in/out of over 500 people from all the States.

The regulations that run these programs like say the VA or GSA are not accountable, at all.

You haven't tried to live through it. These social theories go out the window.
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You asked me a legitimate question and I answered you - now you are moving the goal posts.

I will ask you again, what does or has private health insurance contributed to this country or the health of it's people?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Winter Woman said:
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR
The Associated Press



WASHINGTON – Millions of smokers could be priced out of health insurance because of tobacco penalties in President Obama’s health-care law, according to experts who are teasing out the potential impact of a little-noted provision in the massive legislation.

The Affordable Care Act — or “Obamacare” — allows health insurers to charge smokers buying individual policies up to 50 percent higher premiums starting next Jan. 1.

For a 55-year-old smoker, the penalty could reach nearly $4,250 a year. A 60-year-old could wind up paying nearly $5,100 on top of premiums.


UB, Still drinking that Kool Aid?
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oh, i'm sorry. your information comes from ricardo alonso-zaldivar, contributor to theantiobamablog.com, whose fellow contributors include freedomworks, theblaze, the john birch society, and WND.

how could it not be the most pure and credible info ever? :lol:

http://antiobamablog.com/author/ricardo-alonso-zaldivar/

and you and him predicate your whole argument on "could be" and give two examples not related to the overwhelming majority of the insurance buying public.

i'll hold off on calling you a cunt, but you know i'm thinking it.
 
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