30ish Yr old Columbian Gold Seed Sprouts. Do I Want it to be a Male or Female?

to: SSO. i had read about what i thought was the possibility to induce it into a male or female from seed. I have learned you can Stress it to hermie if its a female. I DO not, and WILL NOT do that period. Sorry Saml, not gonna happen to this one if its a girl.

So it ll grow until it shows sex then i ll go forward from there.

but for it to get to the point to show sex, it has to live. and i want the best for it. It has to come out of the peat pots and into dirt medium soon. so atm, my most importing interest, is What should i use for a dirt medium, to allow this baby to survive well, as it would expect to in the mountains of columbia, ofcourse without the columbian dirt, or altitude. lol

when Ronny and Nancy took office, Fields started to burn BIG TIME back then. Nancy championed the DARE and just say no compain, and good ole Ronny turned the War on Drugs Oven on Broil, and it seems many of the old Acc/Columbo fields were torched and chemically saturated. Seems these true old skool strains of any decent purity are becoming rather scarce since the early/mid 80s.

wil2279 said:

This is a little bit of an interesting thread and I don't know a lot of this plant's history,, but I am willing to bet that there are old school breeders that still have some old school strains in their origional form. Besides that... even today's breeders are searching the globe for wild landrace genetics and it isn't like you are going to have a more original strain than one mother nature created herself. So while this is an interesting thread, i find it quite odd that people are speaking of it like someone just found the lost arc and is reclaiming something that has long since been diluted and lost.

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damn i accidentally lost my post. To sum it up, if the strains are not worthy of being grown than why are breeders still trying to get the original landraces? Even if you went to their places of origin the introducion of earlier maturing or heavy yeilding strains may have muddied down the gene pool or possibly replaced them. While some breeder might be working with old landraces, they aren't exactly easy to find. In some cases a landrace strain could lose special qualities through selective breeding because one person's goal might be entirely different than anothers and the only way to get those characteristics back is to aqcuire pure lines before the selection process started. Now, 1 seed is hardly going to reserrect a strain but could perhaps reintroduce some long lost alleles and I think that old school strains should definately be preserved in their original form if possible or else they will be lost forever becuase you cannot go backwards in a breeding program.

Timmahh said:

ok, New ? i need to deal with transplanting the seed from the zippy dom to a pot.
I have FF Happy Frog dirt, outside soil from the yard (mostly a Sandy soil) some Vermiculite (somewhat fine) and i can get some PM BK i think it is my buddy has.

currently its in some fluff from a zippy peat pot in the zippy tray. i can put it into a 5 in pot, or a 3gal pot. which is better for now? im leaning to the 3g bucket?

considering the only thing the lineage of the seed knows about hydroponics was when it had water poured out of a bucket on it, and artificial lighting happened at night when someone was trying to pilfer a few budz. heh.

i figure the mother and its whole strain was last growing in the mountains in columbia. so what would be my best option/choice for a soil for this baby?

heres a pic as of a few minutes ago. approximatly 60ish hrs after grounded.

T

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Put the first transplant into the 5 in pot. The three gal may keep the small seedling to wet for good rooting. When the 5in pot is rooted to the sides and bottom of the pot transplant into the 3 or 5 gal pots.

ty. i figured that was the way to go. but knowing the true size of this plant (even keeping as a tamed down small mom if its a girl) could be a chore in itself. and if its a male, well, i may need to find a larger place for him. heh.

good read Timmahh ...im glad you decided not to fuck with it and let it be what it be

ty DF, ya, im a person that would rather get some of that late 70s pure bud, than see it lost to major cross breading. unless that is the only way to keep it propagating that is.

an am pic from today.

I read a while ago about how the size of the container you plant your seed in can affect the gender. Apparently is there is 4 inches of vertical space for the taproot to grow into, the seedling is a lot more likely to become female. I can´t tell you if this is true or not, and it´s too late for you to try this....but its something to think about in the future. Also would be nice if someone did a formal study of this phenomenon to determine whether or not the container size actually has an effect on the gender of the plant.

good morning lil Columbian

well, around here,the best soil has always been the most expensive.

dark brown or black(ish) and fluffy and nutrient loaded enough so i dont really have to fert.

also check its ph.

you will regret buying cheaper soil as many do.

plant looks great btw. (and yeah, having tried pure sativas, yup, they are sorely missed)

Dizzle Frost said:

good morning lil Columbian

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buenas tardes puto!!!!!!!!

Wow 30 years old, who would have thought it would germinate.
That's great man. I agree with most I have read here, space for tap root, more blue light, cooler temps and nitrogen will help sway the sex of the plant to female. I have read about it a few times but buy mostly fem seed now. I tried it only once, got all four females. The shape of the seed can give you an indication from what I understand, a perfect volcano shape where the stem was attached is a good sign of a healthy plant too. Good luck man.

ya, im shocked it sprouted and exstatic as well.

OK so i have to head out of town tomorrow for the next 4 days for work. major part of why im using dirt.

so i have to get the Sprout, transplanted tonight.

i took some FF Happy Frog, and mixed it with the vermiculite i had at a 70/30 to 80/20 ratio of HF/Vermic.

i put some into a small styro cup and soaked it thru and made run off a couple times to thin out he nutes a bit.
at 9 to 10pm, i ll take Hempy, and the bit peat he is in, and put it in the cup (has multiple holes in bottom for run off) filled my my HF/Vermic mix, and put it all into the styro for the week. I ll water just a bit, and have it checked while im gone to see it doesnt dry out.

to say im worried would be an understatment, but i have to keep going to work if i want to play the bills.
but before this all takes place, i wanted to ask your suggestions? Will i be ok? will the HF be too hot for the seedling?

Pipe Dream said:

damn i accidentally lost my post. To sum it up, if the strains are not worthy of being grown than why are breeders still trying to get the original landraces? Even if you went to their places of origin the introducion of earlier maturing or heavy yeilding strains may have muddied down the gene pool or possibly replaced them. While some breeder might be working with old landraces, they aren't exactly easy to find. In some cases a landrace strain could lose special qualities through selective breeding because one person's goal might be entirely different than anothers and the only way to get those characteristics back is to aqcuire pure lines before the selection process started. Now, 1 seed is hardly going to reserrect a strain but could perhaps reintroduce some long lost alleles and I think that old school strains should definately be preserved in their original form if possible or else they will be lost forever becuase you cannot go backwards in a breeding program.

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I think people are taking what I said a little too negatively. I didn't mean that this wasn't interesting, and I didn't mean that I thought it was stupid. All I am saying is that there are still breeders out there with true landrace genetics. Even if this seedling makes it to maturity, even if it is a seed from a true Columbia Gold plant, even if it is a female, there is no guarantee that it is going to be a top shelf phenotype. All I am saying is that as interesting as this is to watch, it doesn't actually mean much until he finds out what he really has. It could be a really sweet strain that he could sell to a breeder or something like that, or it could end up being an average smoking plant that isn't very interesting. If it is a male, you won't really know what it brings to the table until you try breeding it with something... I still wish the best of luck to the OP.

not to be funny..but its funny how much this one seed is loving all the attention and TLC....man its so kewl to see an old skewl plant..im still stoked for you...id treat it like the hope diamond to lol

i was thinkng that it might be hot as well....its smart you didnt use a big pot..if it burns a lil just repot it.

fingers crossed..even my dogs paws are crossed for this lil Columbian

i don't use vermiculite, but i'd think the cutting of the Happy Frog should make it fairly safe, doesn't sound like a hot mix

If it turns out to be a female you could treat it with Collodial Silver to turn it into a male and collect the pollen

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/387589-producing-feminised-seeds-using-colloidal.html

Fascinating thread. Please keep us posted!

transplant is done.

moved from jiffy tray and peat pots, to 12oz styro cup with a mix of 75% FF Happy Frog and 25% vermiculite, then rinsed thru 3 times to flush it out some what and hopefully lighten the mix up a bit, heard HF can be a touch hot for seedlings. So hope my 75/25 and flush help tame it a bit.

have to go to work in the am, be gone for 4 to 5 days, so had to transplant, as i didnt think 1/5 weeks in 1 ince of peat was sufficient. so this new setup should keep it happy and thriving for the next week or 2, then its off to the 3gal pot.

other than watering, temps are steady, ligths and venting are automatic. have a buddy that will come check on it while im away to be sure its doing ok, but i have faith it ll be fine, and 3 times as big when i get home thursday evening. maybe even 5 times as big.
a few pics, including one of the root mass as i gently took it from the peat, and put it into the cup.


peeking over the top of the jiffy tray


Root Mass, twice as much root if not three times as much as actual plant. good thing here.


and in the home 3 hrs before lights out.



all tucked in, and watered. Grow Well my Little Buddy.

I agree that if it's a female taking a cutting and treating it with colloidal silver will give you some surefire fem seeds!!

Seeds will still grow even if there over a decade old?