3 1000W or 5 600W?

legaleyes13 said:

I was afraid of this. I'd rather search the ends of the earth for a way to keep things under 90 degrees while avoiding the use of an A/C, then actually having to use one. But unfortunately, it looks like that may not be possible. That amount of wattage would really effect my peace of mind, but if it has to be done, then it has to be done.

If any of you can enlighten me with some other solution, then please do so... Thanks

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Everyone runs A/C and ventilation when you're using the larger wattage HPS bulbs.

5 x 600 watts will be a better bet. You will only need all 5 running.. 6-8 weeks before floering as the plants need to grow to accommodate the light.

So only use what you need to use when you need to use it. Keep them a maximum 70-80cm away from the top of the plant.. Sounds like you need a 10 inch extractor.. 1 will do with a good filter..

Good luck and dont tell no one!

grower100 said:

5 x 600 watts will be a better bet. You will only need all 5 running.. 6-8 weeks before floering as the plants need to grow to accommodate the light.

So only use what you need to use when you need to use it. Keep them a maximum 70-80cm away from the top of the plant.. Sounds like you need a 10 inch extractor.. 1 will do with a good filter..

Good luck and dont tell no one!

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You are wrong, 5 x 600W is not the better bet, this has been discussed in length in this thread, please read it.

IndicaDom said:

Everyone runs A/C and ventilation when you're using the larger wattage HPS bulbs.

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Maybe. I've never done one without an AC either, but was hoping this time I could avoid it, as I've never done a grow with vented lights either, and don't know how effective they are. I could always use an ice box heat exchanger, but that is also more trouble than I'm currently willing to deal with. I'll have to weigh my options I guess.

To tell you the truth if you have the power to run 3000w of lights and everything eles needed for a grow room that size a AC won't change your bill to much. Mine dosnt run 24/7 it's on a temp switch keeping it at 80. Took out 1 600 and added T5's for veg and my bill went down. And that was after adding a larger dehumidifier and more fans. I don't understand why you are so bent on not useing a AC to cool the room. There are tons of ways to hide them. And you don't need the expensive stand up units from the hydro stores. A cheep window one is what I use. And I can tell you how to create a hot room for it so you don't have to have it in a window. But anything used to cool a room will make heat. So if not vented right it's counter productive and waste of money.

Warlock1369 said:

To tell you the truth if you have the power to run 3000w of lights and everything eles needed for a grow room that size a AC won't change your bill to much. Mine dosnt run 24/7 it's on a temp switch keeping it at 80. Took out 1 600 and added T5's for veg and my bill went down. And that was after adding a larger dehumidifier and more fans. I don't understand why you are so bent on not useing a AC to cool the room. There are tons of ways to hide them. And you don't need the expensive stand up units from the hydro stores. A cheep window one is what I use. And I can tell you how to create a hot room for it so you don't have to have it in a window. But anything used to cool a room will make heat. So if not vented right it's counter productive and waste of money.

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Exactly, if HVAC trained people still make horrible decisions when running ducting and picking A/C tonnage, I can only imagine the complete lack of efficiency in the ventilation of all growers. Getting your ventilation in order will immediately cut all temperatures, and you might end up running your A/C even less than you did before.

IndicaDom said:

You are wrong, 5 x 600W is not the better bet, this has been discussed in length in this thread, please read it.

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And most of those points are misinformed. I like the 5-600 better. Like grower100 said you can use what you need. Saving power and money. When plants are small use 1 600 to veg. Then go to 2. Then 3 and so on till all 5 are needed. It still gives you the same 3000w in flower. But less in veg when 3000w is to much. And alot of the info on the lights was given in lumens and that realy has nothing to do with plants. Plants don't use lumens. We see different lumens. Plants use the PAR from the lights. So as long as the bulbs are within proper spectrum plants are getting the PAR they need. Only draw back to 600 over 1000 is light penetration of the canopy. Even that's not that bog of a deal if plants are trained right.

IndicaDom said:

Exactly, if HVAC trained people still make horrible decisions when running ducting and picking A/C tonnage, I can only imagine the complete lack of efficiency in the ventilation of all growers. Getting your ventilation in order will immediately cut all temperatures, and you might end up running your A/C even less than you did before.

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Yup I Tryed many different ways of running duct. After 5 tryes I found one that works. And sence my light duct is fully sealed from room I run the heat into my house duct in winter and it keeps my house warm. Not making me run the heater. Another power saver.

Warlock1369 said:

And most of those points are misinformed. I like the 5-600 better. Like grower100 said you can use what you need. Saving power and money. When plants are small use 1 600 to veg. Then go to 2. Then 3 and so on till all 5 are needed. It still gives you the same 3000w in flower. But less in veg when 3000w is to much. And alot of the info on the lights was given in lumens and that realy has nothing to do with plants. Plants don't use lumens. We see different lumens. Plants use the PAR from the lights. So as long as the bulbs are within proper spectrum plants are getting the PAR they need. Only draw back to 600 over 1000 is light penetration of the canopy. Even that's not that bog of a deal if plants are trained right.

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You like 5/600W better, it really isn't relevant what you "like", we are talking about the cost of growing versus the return. The numbers were already run and 2/1000W HPS bulbs on light movers is the most efficient way to run those tables. I am not sure why you even brought up lumens, and started trying to talk about PAR, irrelevant. So you are suggesting having to put up and take down lights over and over and over, each grow? Does that sound very efficient to you? While I am sitting on my two flowering rooms with a 12'x4' table in each room, flip-flop relay, light movers, and I am only running two ballasts, and 4 hoods, and if you wanted to reproduce what I am producing you would need to run what, 10/600W lights, 10 hoods, ducting, how much to cool all those lights? When you start scaling the grow up it is easy to realize how inefficient running 5/600W bulbs is...

I mean seriously at the end of the grow you are running 3.2kW and I am still running 2kW consistently day in and day out, with my 1000W being closer than you can put your 600W to your plants, and I would argue that I would of course yield better because I was running 2kW in veg, and you were only running 600W.

The New Jim Jones said:

if your a good grower who gets a gram per watt, 5 600's is better, 3.6kw or 3.6kg, while the 3 1000's is 3kw or 3kg

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lol 5 x 600 is 3600? I think it's 3000............
So If you are using the same amount of power I'd go with the 600's they give a more efficient lumen per watt ratio

When did I say taking down and putting up lights? Just leave them up and only turn on the ones needed at the given time. And your saying your 2 1000w would do better then 5 600w? I'm going to say what many others have said on this and other threads. Prove it. And I bright up PAR and lumens becouse that is how you judge lights effectiveness. Lumens we see and measure. PAR is what plants need. So if you think for one second that proper information isnt relevant and the only thing that is, is light coverage you have no idea what you are talking about.

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When did I say taking down and putting up lights? Just leave them up and only turn on the ones needed at the given time. And your saying your 2 1000w would do better then 5 600w? I'm going to say what many others have said on this and other threads. Prove it. And I bright up PAR and lumens becouse that is how you judge lights effectiveness. Lumens we see and measure. PAR is what plants need. So if you think for one second that proper information isnt relevant and the only thing that is, is light coverage you have no idea what you are talking about.

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All you are looking at is 5/600W versus 2/1000W. You already said you are only running 1/600W in veg, that alone would allow me to get bigger plants than you faster, period. Oh and the fact that I am using light movers so my 1000W is either closer than your 600W or the same distance from the plant, which means better light penetration. So while I am running 2kW throughout veg and flowering at a closer distance than your 600W, you are going to what, run a 1/600W for veg, and then throw a few more on throughout your flowering? Lol, and you think you're going to out yield me?

Prove it? Sure, you build your two 12'x4' tables with 5/600W lights and I'll get my two 12'x4' tables with 2/1000W on light movers and we'll compare cost versus return. I guarantee you will be using more electricity, more money, and more time to maintain your room versus mine. Shit we'll even log hours in the grow room per week to see how much you have to maintain your room versus myself.

IndicaDom said:

All you are looking at is 5/600W versus 2/1000W. You already said you are only running 1/600W in veg, that alone would allow me to get bigger plants than you faster, period. Oh and the fact that I am using light movers so my 1000W is either closer than your 600W or the same distance from the plant, which means better light penetration. So while I am running 2kW throughout veg and flowering at a closer distance than your 600W, you are going to what, run a 1/600W for veg, and then throw a few more on throughout your flowering? Lol, and you think you're going to out yield me?

Prove it? Sure, you build your two 12'x4' tables with 5/600W lights and I'll get my two 12'x4' tables with 2/1000W on light movers and we'll compare cost versus return. I guarantee you will be using more electricity, more money, and more time to maintain your room versus mine. Shit we'll even log hours in the grow room per week to see how much you have to maintain your room versus myself.

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Oh, and yes PAR is irrelevant because all WE have been discussing this entire time is the cost versus return of running multiple 600W bulbs versus two 1000W bulbs. If you don't understand the benefits I don't know what to tell you besides look at the electric bill versus mine.

Did I say I ran 5-600w? No becouse I don't. My flower room is 2600w. I was going off what the op was asking.

Gets me 4-5 footers all day.

half way threw harvest.

And each string is 16 inch apart.
So now I showed my proof let's see yours smart ass.

And cost? If your running over 2000w who cares about cost? And my bill with running the house is only $350-450 a month depending on how long lights are on.

Funny how now you don't say something stupid about lighting and power vs yield. If you can't give full and complete info about the matter. Saying 2 1000's are better then simply steping up power as needed is a misinformed beginner that believes some of the hype hydro stores say. So just stop passing on your ideas as fact. That's the only thing pissing people off on here. Helping is great. But when you fight with people that show true fact and say it dosnt matter becouse you can do it better with no proof. Only makes you sound like a dumb ass.

Warlock1369 said:

Did I say I ran 5-600w? No becouse I don't. My flower room is 2600w. I was going off what the op was asking.

Gets me 4-5 footers all day.

half way threw harvest.

And each string is 16 inch apart.
So now I showed my proof let's see yours smart ass.

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Wait, so you say "PROVE IT", and when I respond with us doing a side-by-side grow experiemnt, your response is to throw up a bunch of pictures of your grow? Lol, and then you
try and call me a smart ass? Why, because I showed that numbers and science and improved efficiency that running with 5/600W is a bad idea? I mean hell even 3/1000W with no lights movers would be a better idea.

Warlock1369 said:

And cost? If your running over 2000w who cares about cost? And my bill with running the house is only $350-450 a month depending on how long lights are on.

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You are not running 5/600W bulbs now are you? If you would like me to run the numbers tell me how long you would be vegging under your 1/600W bulb and I can tell you the price discrepancy between your choice of running 5/600W bulbs and my choice of running 2/1000W on light movers.

Warlock1369 said:

Funny how now you don't say something stupid about lighting and power vs yield. If you can't give full and complete info about the matter. Saying 2 1000's are better then simply steping up power as needed is a misinformed beginner that believes some of the hype hydro stores say. So just stop passing on your ideas as fact. That's the only thing pissing people off on here. Helping is great. But when you fight with people that show true fact and say it dosnt matter becouse you can do it better with no proof. Only makes you sound like a dumb ass.

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Nice rambling, you've been proven wrong multiple times with multiple examples with multiple numbers. I am not quite sure why you believe running 5/600W is the better idea, and the more laughable idea is you aren't even planning on running the lights throughout the entire grow, you're going to veg with 1/600W. Lol, you're hilarious, keep thinking you know what you're talking about and I'm the dunce. Oh, and throw up some more irrelevant budshots, that might help make your case.

HAAAAA HAAAAAA, what a fucking tool. i could be wrong but i think this is that one guy who runs 100 plants or 200 plants on 2 hoods and still claims hes running 1 light. i dont remember the thread but hes one stupid son of a bitch.

a mongo frog said:

HAAAAA HAAAAAA, what a fucking tool. i could be wrong but i think this is that one guy who runs 100 plants or 200 plants on 2 hoods and still claims hes running 1 light. i dont remember the thread but hes one stupid son of a bitch.

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Stupid? Interesting because my education in a rather technical field tends to state otherwise. I have given examples, numerous ones and if you don't think it is possible to run 100 plants under 1/1000W in a SOG style grow, you're the stupid one.

IndicaDom said:

Stupid? Interesting because my education in a rather technical field tends to state otherwise. I have given examples, numerous ones and if you don't think it is possible to run 100 plants under 1/1000W in a SOG style grow, you're the stupid one.

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yea iam u fool, u need to log more grow time instead of pantie sippin on all your buddies 100-200 plant grow set ups.
get your own grow u legal douche, put down your books and get some work expirence. fucking quack.
same guy who grows so much meds, hes smoking some kind of canadian brick. tool....