20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
Cg you should set up a booth or somethin at a run for the cure marathon. Then you could be around thousands of ppl that may need, and its a better environmeent than in a doctors office or somethin.

Not sayin askin doctors is a bad idea

But if you set up a booth it could b kinda discreet just say somethin like "natures cure" or "herbal remedies" or somethin n then once you start talkin to ppl u could feel them out. Your legal anyways so its all good but discreet is always better.

EDIT: better yet, you could print off a bunch of pamphlets about mmj and THE TRUTH and your purpose there is "to educate". You may just turn a few ppl to our side, and meet the needy at the same time.

It's great idea. So much so that I emailed it to my lawyer...who shot it down. We need to be just a tad more under the radar in the current legal environment. His saying is "you be the grower...I'll be the activist".

Maybe what I'm looking for is just impossibe. More likely, it will be one patient at a time until a network is built around some crazy grower who's giving the shit away. Another thought I have is to get a few grow ops together, and then find a third party volunteer to do the distributing. He would be the "weed fairy". The Weed Fairy would have nothing to do with any of the grow ops. We need a weed fairy. I'm sure there's someone out there who wants to promotye the cause while making some people feel better. Just the fact that a few ops are giving weed away would do wonders for our image.

The dispensaries are on the front line. But, us growers are the real life blood of this industry. The only time people even hear of us is when an op burns down or is busted. It's always in a negative light. The discussion over whether to allow dispensaries in a certain area rarely includes the grow ops that supply 95% of the meds to the dispensaries. We are forced into the shadows. I may be as legal as I can be, but if I got raided I'd probably have to shut down. A group of grow ops pooling their resources to help out those in need would be a wonderful way for us to show our face in a positive light. If we could find the right Weed Fairy (shit, we could even call him/her that in public), we could say "Hey, we're out here, and we're doing good stuff", without having to actually give our names and grow op locations. I could get my local press to cover the Weed Fairy in a hot second.

Guys, I'm willing to take the first step and toss out the first few ounces to the cause. But, I can't go it alone. Should I post in the California Patients section? What ideas do you crazy fuckers have on this? I know alot of you are not from Cali. Do we attempt a national Weed Fairy program? I know that if I ever found myself in front of a jury, having the weed fairy testify on my behalf as a giver would make a conviction all the less likely. Are there any other grows that would want to get involved in such a thing? I know it's tempting to just keep on growing and moving meds the way we all have for years. But the time is approaching when we'll need to band together and have a voice. If we don't, when this shit goes mainstream, Big Daddy Fuck Em All Coorperation will steam roll us flat as piss on a plate. By something as simple as donating some meds together, we can begin to establish a positive public opinion about the small/medium grow ops. We do the work, yet the storefront dispensaries get the glory (and, to be fair, sometimes the heat).

Done right, we can do this without a security risk. That is why a third party is so important. I personally don't feel safe with a booth at a "run for the cure" event. But, I would kick in some $$$ for pamphlets and the like. I can just see the fine print: "Sponsered by Local Medical Marijuana Growing Operations". or: MMGA (medical marijuana growers of america).

Gang, I'm just tossing this out there. If someone has some different ideas, throw em out here. Most of you know how I feel about the need for us to give away meds to those in serious need without the means to buy it themselves. We are NOT like the drug companies. We will NOT let poor people suffer when we have the power to help them without affecting our bottom line more than a couple bucks. I think most responsable growers feel the same way. It would be nice if we could reach out and help some people, and, at the same time, let the public know that we are doing it.
 

C.Indica

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to read the last 7 pages I missed.

Seems like;
You're almost done setting up Co2,
You're making hash now in bulk,
and you just cut down an 8x8.

Did I miss anything else?
And how's your days going CG? Hope they're great.
:leaf:
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to read the last 7 pages I missed.

Seems like;
You're almost done setting up Co2,
You're making hash now in bulk,
and you just cut down an 8x8.

Did I miss anything else?
And how's your days going CG? Hope they're great.
:leaf:
CO2 generator is back ordered for a month. I'm hell bent on the one allowing forced air cooling.

While waiting for CO2, found a great source for ductless split A/C systems. 24,000BTU, Hitachi compressor, $1,028 tax license and delivery from Texas. It includes a 25' line set. It's only 13 SEER, but that's not too bad. The other one I was looking at was 21,000BTU, 19 SEER, $1,500 + 9% Cali tax. The electricity savings from the 19 SEER would probably offset the price increase in 7 or 8 years. That's just too long to justify a $1,200 cost difference (I need 2 units). This source also has 9,000, 12,000, and 18,000 BTU units for great prices. I think the 9,000 is under $700. A 9,000 BTU split will give you far more cooling than a 14,000 BTU portable. Anyone wanting the perfect sealed room settup should take a look at these: http://www.bestpriceminisplits.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BPMS&Category_Code=24000btu
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Hey cg this is off topic but your in the cali area, have you ever seen fytocell before its a medium!
And i cant find it anywhere other that over seas:(
 

Jozikins

Well-Known Member
No problem CG, it is my pleasure to help you out. Just like you, I've seen some real sick people I've made friends with in the industry, and they are here this week, dead and gone the next. Working a dispensary or collective can be emotional in this sense, but the sentiment has been my driving force since I first got behind the bud bar. Next Saturday or Sunday I should be able to get in better contact with the cancer clinic and by Tuesday next week I should be able to get some contact between the three of us.

I will keep looking into the alternatives and see if we can't get you some charity work.

I would gladly volunteer myself to distribute free medicine, be the weed fairy, but my area is very isolated and it wouldn't work out for me. I would love to get involved again, but I'll have to wait for another opportunity once I move out toward OC area, thinking along the beach a little closer to LA than SD. Anyways, I've been filling and presoaking pots since 4pm, and I'm pretty damn tired. The bong wasn't doing it so I took some pain killers, which I haven't done in a few months because I don't like them, and I'm not exactly thinking to full capacity right now. I still have a lot of input on the whole live rockwool experiment, and actually started 2 experimental plants to try it with, so far so good. Keeping them less wet seems to be crucial.

Anyways, more thoughts tomorrow.
 

Wolverine97

Well-Known Member
CO2 generator is back ordered for a month. I'm hell bent on the one allowing forced air cooling.

While waiting for CO2, found a great source for ductless split A/C systems. 24,000BTU, Hitachi compressor, $1,028 tax license and delivery from Texas. It includes a 25' line set. It's only 13 SEER, but that's not too bad. The other one I was looking at was 21,000BTU, 19 SEER, $1,500 + 9% Cali tax. The electricity savings from the 19 SEER would probably offset the price increase in 7 or 8 years. That's just too long to justify a $1,200 cost difference (I need 2 units). This source also has 9,000, 12,000, and 18,000 BTU units for great prices. I think the 9,000 is under $700. A 9,000 BTU split will give you far more cooling than a 14,000 BTU portable. Anyone wanting the perfect sealed room settup should take a look at these: http://www.bestpriceminisplits.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BPMS&Category_Code=24000btu
Just curious, is there a reason you won't consider a water cooled co2 generator? All they are is an on demand tankless water heater, but they work great...
 

tommyo3000

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CO2 generator is back ordered for a month. I'm hell bent on the one allowing forced air cooling.

While waiting for CO2, found a great source for ductless split A/C systems. 24,000BTU, Hitachi compressor, $1,028 tax license and delivery from Texas. It includes a 25' line set. It's only 13 SEER, but that's not too bad. The other one I was looking at was 21,000BTU, 19 SEER, $1,500 + 9% Cali tax. The electricity savings from the 19 SEER would probably offset the price increase in 7 or 8 years. That's just too long to justify a $1,200 cost difference (I need 2 units). This source also has 9,000, 12,000, and 18,000 BTU units for great prices. I think the 9,000 is under $700. A 9,000 BTU split will give you far more cooling than a 14,000 BTU portable. Anyone wanting the perfect sealed room settup should take a look at these: http://www.bestpriceminisplits.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BPMS&Category_Code=24000btu

I have a few things to point out about ductless mini splits.
First of all, they only cool if the outside air temps are above 65F. If you need to cool and your weather goes below 65F down to 14F, you need a ductless mini split that supports "low ambient" temperatures. If your outside weather goes BELOW 14F, then you need to wire in an additional extreme low ambience kit that lets the machine cool at outside temps of -45 or something like that.

Also important AS HELL is to find one with "auto restart" so that when your power flickers or goes off, the A/C turns back on when the power does.. No one wants a room full of fried plants. (but you all have high temp cutoffs, right?)

You should consider a Shinco mini split.

As you can see, I have spent too many sleepless nights reading A/C specs and looking for the best deals...
I have found a good place to get these...
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
I have a few things to point out about ductless mini splits.
First of all, they only cool if the outside air temps are above 65F. If you need to cool and your weather goes below 65F down to 14F, you need a ductless mini split that supports "low ambient" temperatures. If your outside weather goes BELOW 14F, then you need to wire in an additional extreme low ambience kit that lets the machine cool at outside temps of -45 or something like that.

Also important AS HELL is to find one with "auto restart" so that when your power flickers or goes off, the A/C turns back on when the power does.. No one wants a room full of fried plants. (but you all have high temp cutoffs, right?)

You should consider a Shinco mini split.

As you can see, I have spent too many sleepless nights reading A/C specs and looking for the best deals...
I have found a good place to get these...

Interesting stuff. If you woulkdn't mind, could you please source your info. I'm aware of the auto restart feature (we will be using the existing exhaust system as the emergency cooling system), but haven't heard about any problems under 65F. Fortunately, I'm near the beach where it's pretty stable temps. But, we do see 50's. I'm curious as to what the problem is under 65F. I'm aware of problems when we get near freezing.
 

tommyo3000

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Interesting stuff. If you woulkdn't mind, could you please source your info. I'm aware of the auto restart feature (we will be using the existing exhaust system as the emergency cooling system), but haven't heard about any problems under 65F. Fortunately, I'm near the beach where it's pretty stable temps. But, we do see 50's. I'm curious as to what the problem is under 65F. I'm aware of problems when we get near freezing.
"Trying to run the unit in air-conditioning mode when it is too cold outside. This condition causes very low head pressure and poor refrigerant flow to the indoor coil, causing ice to start to form. Once ice starts to form the head pressure will fall even more and the coil will soon become a block of ice and risk slugging the compressor with liquid refrigerant.
The solution is to add a low ambient kit to the unit if it is to be operated when outside temperatures are below 65 degrees F."

http://toad.net/~jsmeenen/bids/ambient.html

Where I live we get to 14 a few times and below it a few times each year.. I will be ordering a Shinco with extreme low ambient control...

24,000 BTU shinco WITHOUT outside bracket and WITHOUT free shipping: $1099.00 http://www.shincominisplits.com/24000_Btu_DC_Inverter_Mini_Split_Heat_Pump_AC_by_Shinco/p911931_4077390.aspx
24,000 BTU Shinco WITH outside bracket WITH free ship: $1299.00 http://www.shincominisplits.com/24000_Btu_DC_Inverter_Mini_Split_Heat_Pump_AC___Outside_Bracket_by_Shinco/p911931_4077405.aspx

This model has auto restart and does low ambient down to 14F.
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
uummmm.... it's 55 outside right now (it's 10 am here)... which means our 5t a/c runs just fine in lower temps (we run at night).... no ice as of yet.

temps around here barely made it into the 80s this year. that said, we didn't really need the a/c running very much.

[seriously? 50ish is about as cold as it gets there? i hate you. ;)]
 

tommyo3000

Well-Known Member
uummmm.... it's 55 outside right now (it's 10 am here)... which means our 5t a/c runs just fine in lower temps (we run at night).... no ice as of yet.

temps around here barely made it into the 80s this year. that said, we didn't really need the a/c running very much.

[seriously? 50ish is about as cold as it gets there? i hate you. ;)]
What are the specs on your 5 ton a/c?
Is it a ductless mini split?
At 50ish, it is not working as well as it does at 70ish. It depends on the style of A/C as they come in so many varieties.
Your anecdotal evidence does not change the fact that the coolant in A/Cs is designed to work in a certain range of temperatures. If the temperatures go out of range, the machine loses efficiency at best and at worst can destroy the compressor.
Again, it depends on your specific A/C and what it can handle, which is why we are splitting hairs to find an A/C that A) Won't freeze and blow up and 2) won't fry our gardens from being blown or not auto-restarting, etc..
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
tbh, i don't know a lot about our a/c unit (mr. mello had EVERYTHING to do with it), and i do very much appreciate the information about the low temp kit.

we live in an agricultural area, and i see the same style of unit as we have on the outside of chicken and mushroom barns.
 

Wolverine97

Well-Known Member
"Trying to run the unit in air-conditioning mode when it is too cold outside. This condition causes very low head pressure and poor refrigerant flow to the indoor coil, causing ice to start to form. Once ice starts to form the head pressure will fall even more and the coil will soon become a block of ice and risk slugging the compressor with liquid refrigerant.
The solution is to add a low ambient kit to the unit if it is to be operated when outside temperatures are below 65 degrees F."

http://toad.net/~jsmeenen/bids/ambient.html

Where I live we get to 14 a few times and below it a few times each year.. I will be ordering a Shinco with extreme low ambient control...

24,000 BTU shinco WITHOUT outside bracket and WITHOUT free shipping: $1099.00 http://www.shincominisplits.com/24000_Btu_DC_Inverter_Mini_Split_Heat_Pump_AC_by_Shinco/p911931_4077390.aspx
24,000 BTU Shinco WITH outside bracket WITH free ship: $1299.00 http://www.shincominisplits.com/24000_Btu_DC_Inverter_Mini_Split_Heat_Pump_AC___Outside_Bracket_by_Shinco/p911931_4077405.aspx

This model has auto restart and does low ambient down to 14F.
This is all generally true. You just have to be careful checking the spec's of the unit you purchase. IIRC, both Mitsubishi and Samsung make units that also have heat pump capability and will handle temps down to -15. You do need to be careful in your research on this, I almost bought one last year that would've been great- for eight months a year...
 

tommyo3000

Well-Known Member
This is all generally true. You just have to be careful checking the spec's of the unit you purchase. IIRC, both Mitsubishi and Samsung make units that also have heat pump capability and will handle temps down to -15. You do need to be careful in your research on this, I almost bought one last year that would've been great- for eight months a year...
Yeah, I almost bought one that wouldn't auto-restart (I HATE that). and then I almost bought one that did not do low ambience.
There is an add-on device that costs $150 that can be wired into any ductless mini split to add the extreme low ambience feature. It basically slows the pump down and lowers the pressure inside the machine so that it can work in the low temps. The heating portion of these mini splits, if there is one, will work regardless of outside ambient temperature.
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
uummmm.... it's 55 outside right now (it's 10 am here)... which means our 5t a/c runs just fine in lower temps (we run at night).... no ice as of yet.

temps around here barely made it into the 80s this year. that said, we didn't really need the a/c running very much.

[seriously? 50ish is about as cold as it gets there? i hate you. ;)]
lol I woke up this morning and it was 42f brr winters coming :(
 

Jozikins

Well-Known Member
lol I woke up this morning and it was 42f brr winters coming :(
Lol I don't know what mello is talking about, that sounds like hell! PM would never die off it never got over 60f. Even Kitty experiences it with temps never of 80 or so.

I do too, it gets over 100 sometimes on the mountain in the pinnacle of summer, but never on my sliver of the mountain, always pleasant, never too much over 90 even in the worst of our Southern California sun-fucked summers.

...SoCal Sun-Fucked Summer Ale I think I'm going to name a brew that, that sounds fucking awesome. Anyone else here like Imperial IPA's? I fucking love my bitters!

EDIT: Just realized you guys are using sealed systems.So PM isn't a huge issue unless you bring it in. I'm bummed, no mildew or mold on my outdoor crop the entire season, no buds either besides a few leaf miners and a few caterpillars that were easily taken care of. But now, in my last week before harvest on my early croppers, they all suddenly have a small PM and Spider Mite infestation. Bummer. I'm sealing my indoor soon too. I have all the equipment to do it just not solid walls. I'll probably do it next crop.

CG, are you going to be blasting the CO2 all the time, or are you going to let some fresh air in during the Winter? Do you think the increased yield from CO2 would justify the bills all Winter long, or do you think free cold air could make up the difference in yield? Using free fresh air requires either a ozone generator on the intake or a HEPA Filter, so that is an extra 100-200 bucks tacked on right there for fresh air.
 
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