150W CMH sativa garden

Chop day today,just a few last pics of my plant.
When i took out cindy from that forest she looked bigger.Stems were too weak to support 1.5 foot long colas.I can only imagine she could be beast under optimal conditions...
Buds are airy and leafy, trimmed for 4 hours non stop.Very sticky plant,almost all leaves covered with trichomes heavily ,so a lot of quality trim for hash...
Beautiful plant,cant wait to try it.

wow.. nice man and gratz! I'll be trimming mine tomorrow She's still sitting in the dark. Mine is also very leafy and frosty. Can't decide - should I trim less, or should I make hash of the sticky foliage. Before the harvest I always go for the hash option, but when trimming I get tired with everything and just trim less resinous places and dry it ) Throwing the rest away.. What was that ice method you were talking about? Perhaps you have it somewhere? I might be trying it out on Cindy..

Hopeyougotanothershortername, man... it feels so weird when I try address you )) how is your harvest doing? You were promising pictures but your thread went silent lately.. How's the smoke? initial drying is over already?

I'll go for Kali Mist this time. Long run. Will try to veg for a week, top above 4th node. Take bottom 4 cuttings, defoil, upcan, bury stem. Probably same things I was doing with Cindy, but Right after upcanning will flip. Want to let a plant mature more before flip. So at the time I'll switch the plant will be at the surface of the soil, 4 colas starting to form, will already have a pretty good base of roots. Since KM will be alone, I'll place her in 5.8gal medium and train like mad Also will try to pick two most vigorous cuttings, root them and do the seed thing again. So pretty much same technique, just different strain and different timing I am not expecting a lot from Kali, it's very lanky and stretchy and its buds are very airy. But quality is what matters to me, so I should be fine

I'm not an expert on trimming,but i think since you go for quality you have to trim those leaves,because it should taste better. I trimmed as close as i could.

And since they are so frosty they will make good hash.Even from stems (will use them too) people extracting a lot of hash with gravity method. Its "zero cost" because you dont have to buy bubble bags,dry ice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr0X-C2C_3g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro_-Y7wQqYo

If you decide to make this way,freeze your trim fresh do not dry

Yeah man i like training her.I hope 2month of revegg i plan will give me full net of shots Also will use 5gal of coco container i want her to grow big

I cant imagine grow other strains because of smell issue.Whole harvest is next to my bed now and i cant even smell it..

Few words about hash which i collected yesterday.Ive got 3grams.Didnt weighted trimmings,but people say they get 10-15% of dry trimmings this way.
After shaking leaves i noticed they were still quite frosty,so maybe too little ice or shake.I heard with dry trimmings trichomes falls off easier.So will use that trimm again in second run..

I smoked yestedray quick dry flowers and hash. Hash was way way smoother... High was very intensive and happy and i only took 2 hits-hash and bud...

4,5 hours trimming already. Still 35% to go. She's insanely frosty. I feel like a fly stuck in spiders web. Got about 0.5g of scisor hash already. She's airy and leafy and that extends the time.. thanks for the links. Will check them out. Got loads of frosty trimmings, cant throw them away
I wish i was a santa, so my little helpers would do the trimming and i'd do the hohoho part...

Yeah trimming is a pain,but if you look closely its minor part of labor if you take entire grow.

I got more familiar with c99 theese days...Damn, one day i took two small bong puffs in a row and oh boy.As i said i wasnt familiar with sativas high before and maybe thats why i was so impressed,but this is something spectacular.I dont know the effect of redbull combined with vodka,but lets say its similar.Take 10 cans of redbull and some vodka.You realise that you high as hell ,but refreshing waves goes constantly to your head.So clear high.Creative, possitive you can laugh a lot too.High lasts 3 hours strong and few hours of "afterparty" so i couldnt sleep...
I really believe if you take some more you could watch cartoons on the walls,so potent it is...
And the munchies from it...So strong,good food more tasty than ever before.A glass of wine was interesting experience too.Sex on C99 is good too...

Holly grail...

Hahaha you just confirmed most of my experience with cindy. 2.5-3 intensive hours some creative uplifting energetic buzz with an hour or two of some mild swing. When being alone I'm just giggling, but when when smoked in a company, those moments when you need air from hysterical laugh... And laughing not from somebody who started a sentence and forgot what he was talking about, but because people start to come up with some wtf ideas or dive into existing ones )
In a middle of your post I was thinking to add sex part, but you mentioned that in the end haha.
Yesterday I took a scratch of scissor hash. One puff through glass pipe. Omg, my oven had a face..

was looking at me and blinking one eye. Turned out my wife was heating something and one led would go off whenever it reached particular temp and on whenever it needed some more ))
So was giggling all of the evening. And the sex was amazing.
This has that energetic sativa buzz, yes. Sometimes it even feels uncomfortable cause it gets too intensive. But the other sativas I have are way less colorful, less interesting, positive, trippy.. SLH is also interesting. Gives creative, more meditation type of trippy, less social, but it has too many traits that I don't want in a plant.
Also don't know if it's just me, but from C99 I do not get red eyes that often. Only when I have sleep deficiency.

So in the end I trimmed 3 out of 4 branches(75%). Because I got real tired and because I also wanted to dry them differently and see how slower drying will affect my buds and untrimmed leaves help preserve moisture.
Will post pic update within few minutes.

So here it is.

A Female>male plant that most of the grow time was "balls only". Only a week or two ago it started pushing out some pistils.


This is part of another F>M. Balls are covered with pistils. Btw, this plant will give me at least 10 seeds. "All in one" type of clone


These are some seeds getting out of calyxes already


Little female clone. ALL covered in resin.. unbelievable...




And this is a bigger female clone. Due to lack of light very stretchy(over 2').




Plant without leaves that does not have resin on them.


and the trimmings...


My new weed festival costume hanging


And... some bud shots. What a frosty beast...








Cheers!

make some qwiso, bubble hash, or gravity hash from that trim... i just learned the method, i would hate to see that frost go to waste

Aaaa ,i made a mistake again...Dried stems with buds for 3 days and realised they are too dry now to cure ,only 40% RH left Buds are so airy and dried fast....Live and learn.
Collected ~50 grams,maybe i get 5g more from popcorns,and will collect ~5g hash...Its enough for me,but will try to double that numbers next time just for fun.Yours is about 80-100g? Much thicker stems and colas than mine.I really need to get stems thicker in my next scrog.Or should i try 4colas way as you did?

Eh mighty Cindy... Smoked her yesterday and today,so entertaining.I Found one puff keeps me going hot for a few hours,no red eyes.Another puff after some hours-the same.But take 2 puffs and you are in a journey..At first,few minutes after smoked it i thought, i fucked up, but calm down and got positive.But it can be scary in some cases i believe
And when you say its most colorful sativa high,then it's good to hear...I started to learn Sativa a little,how it influence peoplel.
Popcorn i left to grow should be milder having 59days,may be more preferable for easy smoke in the evening.And i think i have other pheno now vegging at 35days.Very low,bushy,wider leaves and stinks more than my previous seed plant.I cloned them all too.Will be interesting to see results and compare.

ThaProdiG yeah will do it everytime since now.Some people even prefer hash over bud.So far i can say its smooth,you cant feel it when you smoke.In the other hand cindy flowers are very smooth too..

Haha...Sim, you can call me dutch for short, I'll know you're addressing me. And yea, sorry about being MIA for awhile, was in a rush to find somewhere to live for a month while I wait on my roommate to be ready and kind of lost control of the grow and the journal. But, now I have everything figured out, my Cindy is still alive..very mistreated...but alive, and I have the next three days off to dedicate to packing and Cindy (mostly Cindy).

You guys are doing awesome, should have a nice little seed batch to come, Sim. Papa, I think I read you had a 3 day dry...as did I, the smell isn't good and taste is kind of bad as well, for me. I'm considering hanging the entire plant, fan leaves and all, when drying. That and/or throw them in the jars early and keep a close eye and as they get too damp, take them out for a few hours or so. I have some of those boveda packs on the way, think I'm going to throw them in with these jars anyway. At a buck a pack, why not.

Sup guys,
sorry that I keep disappearing. Always not enough time to make a proper input busy days. Harvested cindy quite a while ago and still have no time to smoke it.. Anyway.. weekend is coming. That shift schedule is a bit dispersing me. Nonetheless soon I'll be having some 4 days weekend
So.
papanikolau.
drying went very fast for me as well.. too fast.. although leaving leaves extended the drying time. but.. the trimming is a bit more messy.. But dropped now with boveda, it should release some humidity into the box. Drying box will be probably next thing I will be mastering my skills at, once I will be comfortable with reading my plants.
About that 4colas thing... well.. It's not really 4 colas.. at least not for me.. It's more like four way training. At the same time I get branches growing 4 different directions. I try to head for ~9 mains with 8-12 secondary ones. Somehow plant makes that for me, keeps the branches mainly at two levels.. I noticed that if I train more before flipping, i.e. going for 22 shoots, they get VERY thin and tall with small colas, then it's a bit waste on quality.. I think training a plant with mainlining technique for 8 colas would be something I'd prefer. But it takes time and efforts, still not ready for it.
Also I noticed that 70W cmh that I hanged vertically on the side of the grow area.. wow, if only it would have been there earlier bottom buds wouldn't be that airy... It doesn't need to be strong, it adds up with the main lighting very well..

So got some trimmings, will be planning to make that poor mans technique with ice you showed me. Though I wouldn't go for qwiso, bubble hash or other methods.. at some point I said to myself that I DO NOT NEED THIS... like >200g of weed that sits in my MJ bar... But growing is much too fun for me to NOT grow...

I always try to go for water pipe option(or cookies), I second the glass pipe, but just cause it's portable but not because I enjoy.. With hash you do not breathe in all that plant matter. You can tell only by looking at the quantity you burn of hash and weed..

Duch! nice to see you back. Good to know that all is good for you For me this time drying went very fast as well.. Outside is rainy and very humid, I kept buds in the room I dry my laundry, so every time I go in there I feel moisture in the air, still it went very quick.
BUT that boiling water method I feel like proved to be real deal(resin production, preharvest curing) .. I usually felt drying hay smell, but now it's such a strong pleasant smell, no hay smell whatsoever and only today I started curing...

That little sugar box I packed today did not give me any big numbers. got 52.7g. I wonder how much I will get of hash. But the quality I got.. oh my.. never had anything half frosty as this batch..
Also will be getting additional 15-20g from clones. Probably different quality, but also very much interested how the smoke will change.. KH posted quite some lab results that seeded buds are by 1-2% more potent than seedless ones UB also was saying that..
Also do not underestimate the popcorn buds, While on intensive reading I saw in a lot of places that popcorns are also just as potent and even stronger than top ones.

Will do smoking/edible reports in a day or two. But for now,
to do a quick brief of a summary of a table of contents: Vegging and resin production went perfect. That part when plant had to pack some budsites got messed up.
Probably will be repeating all of the steps I did, cause this proved to be a way to go.. Oh yeah, next time will veg a 4-7days less

Damn I'm, writing a lot..
Take care!

simisimis said:

About that 4colas thing... well.. It's not really 4 colas.. at least not for me.. It's more like four way training. At the same time I get branches growing 4 different directions. I try to head for ~9 mains with 8-12 secondary ones. Somehow plant makes that for me, keeps the branches mainly at two levels.. I noticed that if I train more before flipping, i.e. going for 22 shoots, they get VERY thin and tall with small colas, then it's a bit waste on quality.. I think training a plant with mainlining technique for 8 colas would be something I'd prefer. But it takes time and efforts, still not ready for it.

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Greetz,
after reading this i decided to make an experiment in my second grow ,at flip day today i choped off a lot of foliage ,left only 8 branches and for thicker stems i used supercropping technique by bending stems. I know i lost some time and yield doing this but in the 3rd grow i will grow my revegged plant with heavy scrogging technique,so need to compare. But "4" colas way seems to be most optimal way to grow,but still try to scrog that stretchy sativa,maybe supercropp will help me on this,i only need fatter stems.
Enjoying Cindy all the way man....

And coco roots 3gal container

Sim, could you explain more on the boiling water method and what's happening there? If that's getting rid of the hay smell right away, I'm interested.

Hey guys,
well I do not know if 4 colas technique is most optimal. Every grow room has a different size, different setup, wattage.. You find what's best for you. I couldn't do scrog, cause I am crawling in that room and it's already difficult to operate, accessing a plant that is behind another is a challenge
But with what I experienced so far, that the longer you wait, going for more colas, auxin distribution gets messed up, nodes start to alternate, stems become stretchy and thin.. supercropping does fatten them but it takes some extra time.. but side lighting helps a LOT. even if the lamp is not too intensive, it gets some lumens there where top light is not able to reach.
Nice root ball papa Have you read about container coating from root spinout?


Dutch, there lies a science beneath the simple boiling water procedure Maybe you remember I posted in one of my threads KH link about drowning plants and keeping them in preharvest darkness min 72hours(96 preferred). Well all this science is explained in that link. About how roots do not have oxygen and start fermenting sugar turning it into alcohol. Well there was one think I did not like about that method. You flood the soil and you keep it flooded for 4 days. It's messy, rootball gets moldy. I found in one forum boiling water technique which does exact same thing, blocks the plant from taking oxygen through roots and therefore it starts fermenting sugars. So the plant starts curing while it's still alive.
you can read all that in a more scientific way in here:
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/61539-400w-club-show-off-your-571.html#post9486495

Sim, I think I understand what's happening there. With the boiling water, was it boiled then used to water the plant immediately or what?

Yeah, just boil it and pour it. Then you hear quite interesting sound, then darkness... In that place where I read about it, that guy also said that with this method you can also reveg the plant.

Ok, cool. So let me see if I got this right.

Boil the water then give to the plant immediately, keep the plant in the dark for 72-96 hours, then chop and dry/cure like normal? Do you want to drench the soil daily with boiled water or just the one time?

Yes, you got that right. After 1st watering plant won't be sucking it anyway, so watering daily would make it same as flooding. I just poured the same amount as i do per regular watering.