12/12 from seedlings
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ocb123
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I'm guessing that they'll grow fine, they just won't be as big as normal. I reckon you're best off growing them a few internodes high first of all. And don't forget that your gonna need to keep an eye out for any nutrient deficiencys that might occur because of such a short veg growth.
Hope this is of some help. Good luck mate.
Hope this is of some help. Good luck mate.
marijuanajoe1982
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As far as I have heard, this method isn't really recommended unless you are growing something that has a very long flowering period. Haze type plants or other long flowering Sativas can successfully be grown this way and get decent yeild. The fact that the strains mentioned have such a long flowering time, however, negates this as a method for cutting down on overall harvest time. If you do this method with fast flowering types, like a 45 day flowerimg Indica or something, you probably wouldn't be harvesting more than a few grams per tiny plant. Maybe a quarter if you got really lucky. You are better off doing an auto-flowering type, if time is your main constraint. I have seen evidence and pictures to support this on this forum. I'm sure you can find it too. wish I could remember who's gallery it was in. I'm referring, of course, to the origional question about 12/12 from seed.
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check out my grow journal im growing white widow 12/12 from seed,
also you can start as 12/12 and you will get small plants. thats the main reason people do it... or because you have other plants in 12/12 and you have room for more
check out the grow journals a lot of people do great things with 12/12 from seeds... just be warned that it only gets 12-16 inches tall, and you can't really do things like topping or lst
you can do it with any plant, it will just take longer
lowryders grow the best under 18/6 light, and not started at 12/12
also you can start as 12/12 and you will get small plants. thats the main reason people do it... or because you have other plants in 12/12 and you have room for more
check out the grow journals a lot of people do great things with 12/12 from seeds... just be warned that it only gets 12-16 inches tall, and you can't really do things like topping or lst
marijuanajoe1982
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Yeah, I had actually checked out that journal at one time or another. I found it interesting. What would you say you get in dry weight off of an Indica dominant plant like White Widow that has been flowered from seed? I know your current grow isn't done yet, but have you done it before? If you have any info, I am interested in knowing.
Personally I only see this as really necessary if you are gonna grow a really tall, leggy plant and have a 6 foot ceiling to contend with. Why not just Veg for even a month and probably quadruple your yeild? I guess 12/12 from seed is fine so long as you don't mind a smaller yeild, but why not be a little more patient and get alot more in the end?
Also, I thought that a short-flowering indica that has a 45 day flower period will take that long to flower, no matter when the flowering time was started. That is the conventional knowledge when it comes to flowering times, so if you flower 12/12 this 45 day flowerer from seed, you are saying it would take longer than 45 to finish up? I am just asking for clarification, because I wasn't exactly sure what you meant. It shouldn't take much longer, though, maybe just a week or two, right? Horemones and other factors that are kicked in by the switch to 12/12 are responsible for determining when a plant finishes up. Its genetics are ultimately responsible, I'm just wondering how they respond to your methods. After all, you are the only one with first hand experience.
Personally I only see this as really necessary if you are gonna grow a really tall, leggy plant and have a 6 foot ceiling to contend with. Why not just Veg for even a month and probably quadruple your yeild? I guess 12/12 from seed is fine so long as you don't mind a smaller yeild, but why not be a little more patient and get alot more in the end?
Also, I thought that a short-flowering indica that has a 45 day flower period will take that long to flower, no matter when the flowering time was started. That is the conventional knowledge when it comes to flowering times, so if you flower 12/12 this 45 day flowerer from seed, you are saying it would take longer than 45 to finish up? I am just asking for clarification, because I wasn't exactly sure what you meant. It shouldn't take much longer, though, maybe just a week or two, right? Horemones and other factors that are kicked in by the switch to 12/12 are responsible for determining when a plant finishes up. Its genetics are ultimately responsible, I'm just wondering how they respond to your methods. After all, you are the only one with first hand experience.
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i think you should do 12/12 from seed for the following reasons and them only:
1) interested in seeing what will happen
2) space issues
3) you want a constant field of plants to just throw them in or other plants are in 12/12 and you are starting more
4) youre using low powered cfls
also to answer those questions
also 12/12 from seed doesn't speed down growing like a lot of people think!!!, if it takes 8-9 weeks in flower, and lets say you are going 12/12 from seed with cfl your grow will take 13-15 weeks!!!
just so you know, if youre doing it because of timing, its not the best reason
1) interested in seeing what will happen
2) space issues
3) you want a constant field of plants to just throw them in or other plants are in 12/12 and you are starting more
4) youre using low powered cfls
also to answer those questions
hoping an ounce to two off both together
we have thrown in seedlings with flowering plants in my friends grow before... they got about 12-24 inches tall and yeilded 1/4 to around 3 ounces per plant... the actual amount has depended on light and genetics more then anything, indica and sativa to me have no difference 12/12 from seed
also 12/12 from seed doesn't speed down growing like a lot of people think!!!, if it takes 8-9 weeks in flower, and lets say you are going 12/12 from seed with cfl your grow will take 13-15 weeks!!!
just so you know, if youre doing it because of timing, its not the best reason
NewGrowth
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Lowryder rocks! Great yield and sooo easy to grow
NewGrowth
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No way what kind of light did you use on them? Under 1000 watts they were awesome and finished really fast!
marijuanajoe1982
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I just wanted you to know, the reason I am being so critical is because I was thinking about trying this myself, and I'm trying to glean as much info as I can. I should also explain that the main reason I only see this method as 'necessary' when growing tall sativas is because they get so tall, too tall for my grow area. have a 6 foot tall grow area, so basically I have to keep my plants under 4 feet (unless outdoors). I can veg an indica for a long time and flower it and I will still have enough vertical space without having to worry about it getting too tall or close to the light. With a Sativa, however, I may run into space issues. That is why I made the distinction. Anyway, I don't think my Hawaiian Snow will fit in there, as they get so tall (like 6 or 7 feet). That is too tall, especially with room for lighting on top and the pot and soil below. Thats why I am thinking about this.
I see the inherent value in just being able to throw a couple seeds in at any time and get a perpetual harvest, I also can see why It may be necessary with some strains, because for me space will soon be an issue. so I will probably flower my Hawaiian Snow right from the start or with only one week of veg.
However, the problem for me is that, while it may not take more time, it also doesn't take any less time either. I had always thought of this method as something people would do to cut down on growing time, but as the turnaround is 3-4 months either way, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't veg for a month with most strains. If you are restricted by CFL's, then I can see the value there as well. However, I have a 600w digital ballast that takes both MH and HPS without having to use a conversion bulb, so I am not constrained in that way. If it is gonna take the same amount of time, personally I think it would be better to Veg for a little while. Just my personal opinion. Your reasons are pretty sound, especially for your situation.
For me, I may throw a couple feminized seedlings during this next flowering cycle. My next grow is Hawaiian Snow, and It will still be in the middle of the Summer when they are done flowering. Since next grow is gonna be 12/12 from really young (I might veg them for a week or 2 outside before bringing them in to the flowering chamber). The feminized seeds should finish up within a couple weeks of that since they will have been going so long anyway. I will try this out, but mainly as a space-filler. Those yeilds sound alright for the size, and I saw your yummy buds, so I might try it with a couple plants. What size pot do you normally use for one of these grows?
marijuanajoe1982
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He uses CFL's because of certain constraints, I've heard that lowryders don't do well under CFL's, and should be grown under HPS or outside if you want any quality from them. That's what I've been told by a buddy that grows them. I know that the ones from under his HPS were damn good, but he said that he tried before with CFL's and didn't like the results as well. Lowryders need alot of light to get the job done correctly.
have 400 w hortiluxeye with 1000 w of cfls.really love this new bulb the 400 plants r not strechin as with my old cheap bulb but it was 75 bucks for the bulb.
ocb123
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I've never got chance to grow lowryder myself, I was just too sceptical at the time about the quality of the finished bud from an auto flowering plant to spend my money on the seeds.
What do those who've grown it, think to the finished bud and the way it smokes?
Does have a good high/ flavour? Does the high last long?
What do those who've grown it, think to the finished bud and the way it smokes?
Does have a good high/ flavour? Does the high last long?
NewGrowth
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This is very high quality bud I was impressed the high was more stoney that up. Lots of trics on the buds and a smooth slightly spicy smoke. Lowryder is no White Widow but its definitely good bud.
Spittn4cash
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I just finished a grow 12/12 from seed. check my sig Grow Journal #5
marijuanajoe1982
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yeah, I'm growing 2 varieties of auto's, still all very young. I am looking foreward to seeing what they produce. It seems everyone who has tried them has liked them. So I figure they can fill up extra space in any growroom, and will be nice and stealthy (small) outdoors as well! I will have some regular plants outside too though, its not the most stealth guerilla grow in the world, but I'm in the middle of nowhere. It's all pretty much for me, not for sale, so I don't think johnny law is too concerned with my medecinal homegrown. Anyway Cheers!