My Amare, Hydroponics Hut, & SunCloak Grow

ThaMagnificent said:

So week into flower and my plants look droopy. Any ideas?

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How high off the plants is that Pro-9?
I'm not sure your plants are mature enough to handle that light, that close, on full bore.
If it's any less then 3' off the canopy w/ those particular plants (look a bit young)
I'd consider running half power or raising the light.
Vic. Sent you the PAR readings w/ that light right? Very intense beast. I'd try to get at about 1000 ppfd to start. I believe you have much higher #'s then that right now.
Or try singing to them!!! Lol! Although that may make them sadder! Ha!
But it looks like over or under watering like Sixstring2112 said.

Big smo said:

Wtf!! Dude your hps photos just loaded on my end. Damn bro that's intense.

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Thanks! You know how we do it!
Just finished De-fo last night. Not easy trying to work reaching up from under the trellis. Must've took me 8+ hrs.
I don't usually De-Fo. Sometimes. This was one of those times I guess.

Very upset today. Woke up to see my SunCloak on during lights out. 5 hours of light on during lights out. Uuuggghh! Faulty timer.
Loving the mechanical timers on the HPS room. They're the only way to go!
I've posted this pic before but figured it needs to be on this thread.
Growers want efficiency, then they need to install that 220. Kind've messy at the moment. Always work in progress. Ha!

sixstring2112 said:

why havent you tried to build something yet to fit your empty spaces bro? step down off that wallet and order up some diy cob parts sonz !!!
would like to see some more pics when your done loli poppin those bitch's

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Monster crop anyone? Kills me to Loli-Pop. Had some good budding branches here. Ohhh, it's not good to cut branches during flower & especially not good to have lights on during lights out the very same night.
All cleaned up. I basically measured 32" from the tops of the plants giving a lil extra, then cut.

Here's some halo house fixtures as my DIY attempt! Not really though. They suck. 16watt Bridgelux 3k's. The spot-lights work way better having optics n all. But boy do they get hot. Hotter then they're worth probably (spot-lights). I can't wait to build some pin-finned bars @ 4k-5k to put above the Cloak. Not that it needs it. I just would like to add blue to the Spectrum. They easily mounted to the cross bars provided.

You lollipop and defoliate? I read its best to defoliate so you didn't have to lollipop. I have been reading a lot on it and seen amazing results with removing leaves.

What kind of cob and driver do those recessed/halos use? That's a trip to see a fin heatsink on the top of it and a little driver on top. Nice wiring job. Lol how is it even done? Wired to a socket with what? I've never seen a socket adapter you can plug wires into?

Big smo said:

You lollipop and defoliate? I read its best to defoliate so you didn't have to lollipop. I have been reading a lot on it and seen amazing results with removing leaves.

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I haven't always. I mean yes, I always lol-pop but my last Cloak run i did not.
And my trim partner accuses me of not popping enough when she has to trim pop-corn. It just gets popped off for oil now.
But, having sucker branches that do not get enough light takes away energy from the top colas.
Although, I feel if you can at least prevent shade, they will produce nice bud. Some plants like Original Blueberry get nice hard bugs down low w/ just the slightest of light. Others do not. So, one must learn their strains to know. I leave a lil extra at the bottom on new strains to find out.
De-Fo isn't for all strains. Some have leaves few & far between. They don't get it. Sati as a skinny leaves, they get less. But it all depends on your grow style really.
I've had good results w/ De-Fo.
Basically though, if you can provide your plants w/ full illumination, they will reward you in return.
That's why I'm big on side-lighting.
I do both sometimes to increase the plants energy going to the well lit areas.
If you notice, my led room didn't get much De-Fo. It actually got allot more then it looks but some people strip their plants down to nothing. I don't agree w/ that method.
De-Fo should be done at day 1 & again at day 20. This prevents the plant from having to heal itself during prime budding stages.
I use TechNaFlora, Thrive-Alive B-1 Green to help w/ healing.

Airwalker16 said:

What kind of cob and driver do those recessed/halos use? That's a trip to see a fin heatsink on the top of it and a little driver on top. Nice wiring job. Lol how is it even done? Wired to a socket with what? I've never seen a socket adapter you can plug wires into?

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Those are recessed lighting Halos for household use. They come that way for easy replacement of old fixtures. I just clipped them onto the cross-bars. They'd rock w/ optics but w/o are useless.

Hybridway said:

Those are recessed lighting Halos for household use. They come that way for easy replacement of old fixtures. I just clipped them onto the cross-bars. They'd rock w/ optics but w/o are useless.

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I know that. But it's obviously a COB hence the heatsink and a driver on top. What brand, how many watts?
It is crazy how FAT indica leaves can get and how ANNOYING it is when they block light. Sativa are a blessing in that aspect but I never tried em.

Here's some pics of the lights.

-AMARE SolarEclipse-450 include:
-Enhanced White Equetorial Spectrum
-Cree CXB 3070's surrounded by Xp-G2's
-LS Drivers
-120• Reflectors w/ removable 90• solid glass lenses
-Quite fans
-Low heat
-Built like a tank
-5 year Warrenty
-17" , T-8 UVB bulb
-475watt draw (?)
-Laser Etched
-Cobs surrounded by 5 watters
This light is so awesome. Can't wait to add a Pro-4 or 2 to this run. Better late then never.
Their new Pro-Series lights are include the best of everything available.

PRO-4 / Series Include:
-Cree CXB-3590's + Xp-G3's
-MeanWell Drivers
-Copper core heat-sinks
-Quite ball bearings fans (TBD)
-Sick 90• Reflectors + removable lenses
-Aluminum cases w/ laser etching
-5 Year Warrenty, gladly backed by the owner himself.
-Priced so fair, you can't DIY for less (this guy cares more about us then he does the mighty dollar)
-400 watt draw

Hydroponics Hut X5-500:
-Flowers shitty last run (TBD) w/ added white
-Vegges awesome, even w/ peaked 660nm
-Running all Mystery Components
-90• acrylic lens, face mounted w/ cobs, diodes, heat-sink & fans all sitting ontop of them loose. Making removing the lenses to clean a hassle & most likely voiding the Warrenty.
-Fans are quite
-Spectrum is all inclusive in each diode w/ the exception of the 16, 660's
-3 year Warrenty I doubt they'll stand by
-Poor design, sucking air-born dust n dirt onto the inside of the lenses.
-535 watt draw (?)
-Slotted venting on the bottom & top
-Cobs surrounded by 5 watters
-Warm
I'll be modifying this unit w/ white cobs

Utity-Tech Pro-Series:
Lowes special
-Adjustable tripod makes for great supplemental lighting
-4k
-40 watt draw
SunCloak 4416:
-3 year Warranty
-600-800 watt draw
-22K
-Full Illumination, 3-D, vertical
-Low heat
-Passive cooled
-Innovative & Unique
-Grows quite well, can be used in conjunction w/ other lights
-Great for vertical trellising
-Comes In a variety of sizes to fit your style
-Info:


All lights in action

Hybridway said:

Here's some pics of the lights.

-AMARE SolarEclipse-450 include:
-Enhanced White Equetorial Spectrum
-Cree CXB 3070's surrounded by Xp-G2's
-LS Drivers
-120• Reflectors w/ removable 90• solid glass lenses
-Quite fans
-Low heat
-Built like a tank
-5 year Warrenty
-17" , T-8 UVB bulb
-475watt draw (?)
-Laser Etched
-Cobs surrounded by 5 watters
This light is so awesome. Can't wait to add a Pro-4 or 2 to this run. Better late then never.
Their new Pro-Series lights are include the best of everything available.
PRO-SERIES Include:
-Cree CXB-3590's + Xp-G3's
-MeanWell Drivers
-Copper core heat-sinks
-Quite ball bearings fans
-Sick 90• Reflectors + removable lenses
-Aluminum cases w/ laser etching
-5 Year Warrenty, gladly backed by the owner himself.
-Priced so fair, you can't DIY for less (this guy cares more about us then he does the mighty dollar)
-400 watt draw
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Hydroponics Hut X5-500:
-Flowers shitty last run (TBD) w/ added white
-Vegges awesome, even w/ peaked 660nm
-Running all Mystery Components
-90• acrylic lens, face mounted w/ cobs, diodes, heat-sink & fans all sitting ontop of them loose. Making removing the lenses to clean a hassle & most likely voiding the Warrenty.
-Fans are quite
-Spectrum is all inclusive in each diode w/ the exception of the 16, 660's
-3 year Warrenty I doubt they'll stand by
-Poor design, sucking air-born dust n dirt onto the inside of the lenses.
-535 watt draw (?)
-Slotted venting on the bottom & top
-Cobs surrounded by 5 watters
-Warm
I'll be modifying this unit w/ white cobs
View attachment 3758388
Utity-Tech Pro-Series:
Lowes special
-Adjustable tripod makes for great supplemental lighting
-4k
-40 watt draw (?)View attachment 3758391
SunCloak 4416:
-3 year Warranty
-600-800 watt draw
-22K
-Full Illumination, 3-D, vertical
-Low heat
-Passive cooled
-Innovative & Unique
-Grows quite well, can be used in conjunction w/ other lights
-Great for vertical trellising
-Comes In a variety of sizes to fit your style
-Info:View attachment 3758421

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All lights in actionView attachment 3758390

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Dont let Ecosunlite see this post. I'm actually really surprised that your se450 actually DOESN'T use meanwells. I was almost sure they did.
I do like the new "pro" lines new xp-g clusters. They look fuckin BRIGHT.

You're right about your top lighting. It just is... lacking. Time to nut upand build 4 bars with 4cxb3590s on pins. You know, the classic design.

Garden

Planted 4 n added some new strains again. Don't even know how many strains I got now. But they're all top-notch.

4.5 days later n PDow! Full moons here so by the end of the moon cycle these will be fully rooted. I clone by the full moon!
Last set of clones only 8 days or so laterThese are the new ones planted last night
These here are some I've been trying to keep smallNext run , HPS & LED

SELECT-SPEC for freshly rooted clones

Big CFL + 2, growing my Purple Punch which is between the hoods not really getting much HPS light. Fattening up!
Was planning on adding 2 more 600's now that the Mini-Split's in.
Well, thought I needed to catch up on the journal.
Alls good except I had a timer issue today, throwing light on my girls for 5 hours after lights out. Almost went w/ 36 hours of darkness in attempt to fix any possible problem that may have occurred but didn't.

Time to smoke a fatty w/ scissor hash on it!
Shit gets you wrecked Booooooyyy!!!

So your not growing in a tent like the majority? lol shit man that's all awesome. Great write up on the lights too. As for Ecos opinion I could t care less. The older panels dont use meanwell drivers but all top bin best of the best parts. Hybrid mentioned it yesterday and I asked them a dozen times on binning and they don't have a clue. sure they have option but they are just thrown together with no reasoning behind it. I waited over a month for my light to come in with the wrong plug end on it and eco told me just to shove it in. Yeah sure thing bud. Cloak is a pretty bad ass setup but I'm Amare all the way.

I gotta say hybrid... Thats kinda wack spending 3k on that suncloak and still having to hang ufos and shit above it, heh.

Resinhound said:

I gotta say hybrid... Thats kinda wack spending 3k on that suncloak and still having to hang ufos and shit above it, heh.

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It doesn't actually need those little lights above it. I did that to add some blue. Just my preference. Plus I just never stop adding light to all my grows, Hybridway!!!

32" blades came in. Setting them up tonight.

On time & in good shape!
MeanWell Drivers x8

SunCloak Plant asseccment, huge, strong, n healthy! No signs of deficiencies. Pretty even growth from bottom to top!

There are still 80 diodes going up the vertical bars. So, same amount of diodes, same power supplies, same wattage draw, 16" shorter blades, allowing for approximately 1/3 more light density then the 48" blades. Hoping this will get me the big buds!

Long night! Just finished feeding both rooms. This is allota work. Anybody who thinks this is a walk in the park, is sadly mistaken.
I thought I was lacking light for this grow but I just did the math n it's about 45 watts a sq'.. It's still only 200 watts a plant.
Still think 3 plants under the Amare is to much. One of those plants could take up the footprint just about if I opened it up a little. A Pro-4 would be perfect

Well, the SunCloak is beaming. I'm glad & very grateful the owner (Doug) sent me the 32" blades for the bubble!
Alls good!
Even the HH seams to be doing well. But only time will tell.

Hybrid,

What kind of soil mix do you use? Do you recycle it every run? Hand water?

I don't know if the top lighting is needed as much as everyone thinks. The blades have some serious wattage and every bit of it is being evenly distributed throughout the whole plant. It's engulfed in light. Regular panels pump an ass load of photons to the top but lower branches are definitely neglected. I think the only problem people see is that it's just different and it's out of the norm. The plants inside it and not under it are pretty damn good if you ask me. im sort of thinking about picking up some of them between the groups of plants I have. Not sure if they are fully customizable though. I'd need a blade then 4' space blade 4' space then another blade and more just for side lighting ad not too cross bars. Actually fuck it I could just make them with strip LEDs with a higher wattage. Or even t12 led replacement bulbs mounted vertically.

ThaMagnificent said:

Hybrid,

What kind of soil mix do you use? Do you recycle it every run? Hand water?

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Should be in the beginning of the thread.
I water w/ a pump, hose, & wand. This room takes a 15 gall. Rez.

How's the girls under the Pro-9?
Do you like your Maxi too?