FERO 336x3W and more, perpetual 12-12

now you got seeds for days

PetFlora said:

If you can be a little less impatient, it might help to at least freeze the new seeds for 3- 5 days, then thaw them for a few hours to room temp, then drop in water

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Good to know for future reference ... like I said I am not worry, if they dont make it they dont make it! like I said earlier though, surprisingly I have a 2 days old Agent Chemo seedling while the mother is still maturing

I will get many more seeds over the next few months (crossing my fingers!!) I have not harvested much pollen yet and not sure that it will really work...

but I mixed whatever I had (so little!!) with some rice flour (I didnt have corn flour so it should work too I am thinking!!) and I sprinkled a little bit on:

GrapeGod, Haoma, Medicine, NYC diesel

1-3 buds on each plant, some of them including nyc diesel might have been too young too, and I am letting sit upstairs with no airflow for about 30 min to an hour, then I will rinse the buds with a spray bottle and place them back in the grow area.

hopefully I get something out of this, after harvesting so many seeds from a few buds last night I think I got hooked for real now!!

If I can get more pollen from the spacebomb I will try and redo the nyc diesel in a few days... went right on the main future colas on that one!

Just a quick update, mostly for me to remember a few things including

The 2 Chemos in the 10 gallons container are showing sex


I figured around December 10th will be when the God's lemon skunk will be coming down.


Chemo coming down tomorrow or so...


Unknown plant coming down pretty soon as well. Pure indica so I am guessing it could be any of Jordan of the Island I am not really sure, it's not a pheno I have had before it looks like it could be a chemo as well.


Violator Kush


Agent Oranges


At random



Happy Growing everyone

^^^^^that lemon skunk..........you really starting to convince me to give AO another run............great job as always Endo.

OK now I really got my gardens organized for a while. What was going to be the breeding room (what was I thinking!!?) is now the babies room, we have 3D, Afghani, Deep Purple, Blue City Diesel, nukenxWW and Smiler (tucked in the corner cant see it on the group shot, sure hope she is a she) As usual, all 12/12 from seed (or almost)


Miss K-train watching the kids from above...


Now I moved all mature plants (that were on the same 12/12 schedule) except the K-train. I tied a few branches down, and I raised the lights. Everything looks nice and healthy, the Haoma still has the claw but there is nothing I can do about it, they are ahead of everything else as far as bud development goes.


You can also see what seems to be a successfully pollinated bud, Spacebomb male x Grapegod !!! I can't wait for next Spring!!




so that s that

Happy Growing everyone

What you are looking at here is Violator Kush, Psuagro, do you think that she looks better? I am really looking forward to see how she is going to look like later into budding. I do think she looks a little better... I have not done anything (sorry no PHing!!) Soil is not drying super fast either but anyway... I ll just let her do her thing.




I do feel like the genetic is good and she was off to a good start for a 12/12 fs , there must have been a tea that she struggled with and fucked her ph and she has been struggling ever since to get her bloody iron up!! (I think thats what it was, ... iron>?) some sort of nute locks ...

Anyway, She is still my favorite in the garden, not sure why ... maybe the name!! she smells nice too!!

The reason why I had her out is that I cleaned the leftover pollen that was in my pollen glass onto one of her 6 main bud... I SO HOPE IT WORKED!! That would be Space bomb male x Violator Kush ...


I have a new theory (sorry I have not been doing much reading about breeding yet just my thoughts...) I realised now how so little pollen goes a long way and that it is not possible for hobby growers like us to grow many males and find the best ...

well, if you buy a pack of 10 seeds, and all the woman are stellar, I can't see why the man from the same batch wouldnt be stellar. I know if I was to try and become a breeder (which would be silly) it would be a different ball game. But I believe now that for hobby growers, it is perfectly fine to get pollen from any random male from a strain you like and use it... I am looking forward to how Agent Chemo is going to come out and we will know what it will looks like far into budding within 3 months from now. Dont let the professional breeders discourage you and experiment!! Over the last couple days, I have seen many people online getting DANK offsprings from simply single bud pollinating DANK x DANK ... that simple. The cross could be done better or stabilized ...which would require a lot more knowledge but you can get your own dank seeds without investing a lot of time and effort into it...

Happy Growing everyone

I would like to report that the 4 Agent Chemo seeds that I placed between 2 layers of damp toilet paper less than 48 hours after harvesting them all have sprouted/cracked open in less than 36 hours

I cannot even describe how excited I am to grow them out!! if 50% of the seeds are a happy balance between the 2 strains, it's going to be wicked!!


I am growing a chemo male now (just showed sex...) and I am wondering if I shouldnt just toss it now because I have a lot of seed branches in my gardens haha ... but all of them are from space bomb ... I feel like if I do the same thing with Chemo (which is the real deal from the 70's, not Jordan's version of it) I will truly have a nice wide variety of seeds to pick from, some of the strain that would be ready on time for the chemo pollen include Vortex, 3D, Smiler (which I dont think I should use pollen on any of my unstable cross!!), and most importantly, Afghani!!

If I do it with the chemo, I can truly focus on growing buds for a while after...and forget about making seeds because I will have many many to try (considering that I will get about 4 phenos per cross I have made...) fun FUN FUN

Agent Chemo is the new favorite in the garden!! but it will take about a month before it really gets interesting, ... and now that I have 4 (hopefully they all make it!!) more to grow right away, I am sure I will be getting at least one female.

Happy Growing everyone

Yeah the violator kush seems to look better(check your new growth/ that's what matters)............that's the beauty of soil/ great buffer and it self adjusts in some circumstances.....Anyways your in supersoil, everything that's needed is already in it(you follow sub's recipe pretty closely??)......ridding it out seems the best strategy, unless their are MAJOR issues.........generally your plants look great Endo.

thank you psuagro. my recipe is different from subcool's but I used it as a baseline for NPK ratio when I first made it a year+ ago, it has changed a little bit since then and also I have started re-using and re-amending, I try to write on the container what I put in it put sometimes I forget... For instance the 3 haomas in the 10 gallons container all showed the claw (they are going to grow great big buds anyway...) on the container it says 1/3 Supersoil so I know next time I will use even less and make sure the buffer zone is weaker with this strain.

Hey dude
its wonderful to see you take your first steps into breeding you have the eye man
I liked what you said about the variance... forget the hype (cool demi god) breeders give you to discourage us hobbyist's from experimenting
you will find after you've grown out some of your crosses there will be a variance in geno and to be honest I have never grown from seed in 15 years and not seen that to be the case
Its how a plant and indeed all living things evolve I believe there was a guy called Darwin who had a thing or two to say about that
There are some clever guys out there and fair play to them I just dont buy into it
The important thing is you are giving it a go.... crack on and enjoy..... it gives me immense satisfaction and I am am sure it will for you too
There is nothing better than people from all over the world growing your crosses especially if you don't commercialize them
Good luck and enjoy

Endur0xX said:

I would like to report that the 4 Agent Chemo seeds that I placed between 2 layers of damp toilet paper less than 48 hours after harvesting them all have sprouted/cracked open in less than 36 hours

I cannot even describe how excited I am to grow them out!! if 50% of the seeds are a happy balance between the 2 strains, it's going to be wicked!!


I am growing a chemo male now (just showed sex...) and I am wondering if I shouldnt just toss it now because I have a lot of seed branches in my gardens haha ... but all of them are from space bomb ... I feel like if I do the same thing with Chemo (which is the real deal from the 70's, not Jordan's version of it) I will truly have a nice wide variety of seeds to pick from, some of the strain that would be ready on time for the chemo pollen include Vortex, 3D, Smiler (which I dont think I should use pollen on any of my unstable cross!!), and most importantly, Afghani!!

If I do it with the chemo, I can truly focus on growing buds for a while after...and forget about making seeds because I will have many many to try (considering that I will get about 4 phenos per cross I have made...) fun FUN FUN

Agent Chemo is the new favorite in the garden!! but it will take about a month before it really gets interesting, ... and now that I have 4 (hopefully they all make it!!) more to grow right away, I am sure I will be getting at least one female.

Happy Growing everyone

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I wanted to chop Agent Orange this morning but my woman said no chopping today! ... someone is coming over and she has given me shit recently because I can't cover up the smell as well as it used to be... ah woman, at least she lets me grow my weed

AO coming down tonight...



It has been exactly 1 month today since I installed my 2 AF600 I thought I would show you guys the growth in one month, not bad at all considering half of them are well into budding too! haha. I know things could have been better for a few different reasons but hey ... I got about 9-10 strains not including the 2 plants that are about to be harvested so it makes it a little harder. In the end, as long as the light is hitting green matter every square inch of the foot print and the results should be stellar.



Look at the buds on the Haomas somewhere in the back slightly to the right ... pretty big buds when you look how small they were 30 days ago to very left in the corner in the 10 gallons container. hehe

yep, Happy Growing everyone

Looks good in here

Endo just get a scrub filter. ( inline fan and charcoal filter.) Best thing for smell. Just stand it up right in the corner ofbthe tent. On top of getting rid of smell , it will clean the air too.

yep I got many scrubbers, each flowering space has it's own ... can filter too . a few of my plants are just very very stinky !! but when everything is running it's ok ,...

it stinks if I have to keep the doors open for whatever reasons (watering, cleaning ...) or when I am harvesting , about 1 plant per week at the moment ... ( or when I am smoking with the vapor daddy too but I always try to blame the smell on my plants because my woman doesnt like when I smoke inside ) And I try not to smoke outside too much anymore because my pot has gotten really stinky and whenever I smoke a joint outside, I stink up the whole neighborhood very badly... I am going to have to move the vapor daddy outside shortly or use an extra fan-filter when I smoke but I hate using power to smoke...

All my seeds showed taproot within 24 hours, I am starting to think that when seeds are taking days to show taproot that they are old seeds. Recently everytime I have had fresh seeds (my own: smiler and agent chemo, as well as chemo from meduser, I know they were fresh because they were soldout for a long time) all of them seeds are showing taproot within 24 hours... So whenever I ll be buying seeds that won't germinate quickly now I ll have an idea why...

Is this just coincidence or you guys are experiencing the same thing?

I started 8 more Agent Chemo ... I will get a few going 12/12 from seed and and veg a few others and discard the wimps... I smoked a joint of chemo + agent orange last night thinking that it's how the Agent Chemo will be like haha ..

I am really hoping I can go 4-5 months without buying seeds (it was becoming an addiction!! it's been 2 months now ) I got about 15-20 seeds left from various breeders (that I have grown or that are currently growing) but I am relying on my next seeds harvest (about 40 days from now...) If Agent Chemo is doing well along the way I will keep popping them as well.

I am having to wait for the end of the day again to harvest Agent Orange, ... the longer the better

Interesting that you have found the same thing with seed that have been packaged for sale versus the seed you just harvested. I crossed White Widow x Big Bud with a Mexican bag seed male, harvested them a month ago and put a couple in rockwool cubes and within 24 hours shell cracked open cotledons tryin to show. store bought stuff hasn't shown a thing.

thats what I mean, ... ordering seeds is a hit and miss. So might as well make a bunch of seeds when you hit.

Yip..i've had this happen aswell....Royal seeds 'Special kush #1'....same procedure i always do....all 5 of them...FAIL.... Your breeding program is a much better idea....

Yes you are all correct^^^^^^don't even get me started on freebies