FERO 336x3W and more, perpetual 12-12

Ganjapussy said:

Because of the comparisons against others(although I haven't seen them against Fero/A51)
But isn't price kinda spendy with the A51s? The only good led light that's worth the price for most would be blackstar, but if price isn't an issue... Idk

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Yes Ganja, buy whichever light you wish... A51/fero's are very well priced. As stated in the very first page of this thread, I have tried many (including blackstar) and I settled for FERO/ AREA 51 and been very happy ever since.

I am not a gadget type of person, now that I have my equipment I dont look around to replace it...(hey Puff ? ) My goal is to grow the best buds I have ever smoked and my setup has allowed me to do so. I could careless of what brand the lights are, as long as they allow me to reach my goal.

I am a fairly new grower and when I compare some of my plants/buds to other experienced growers on this forum, I dont feel like my setup is lacking in anyway, I think it outperforms most because I am not sure of what I am doing yet everything comes out of my garden like top quality.




I dont know why I took the violator kush out last night to take a few pictures, it looks really funky under the led lighting but when I looked at her under natural lighting I realized that the edge of the leaves are all pointing up ... I would think sort of a claw like look from he soil being too hot? not sure if someone knows what's happening to her let me know. She looks great nonetheless and she is still my favorite in the garden.

You can see she was my first attempt at mainlining a 12/12 from seed and it almost worked but I didnt want to cut the 2 bottom branch to make her a true mainlined.




I am very excited this morning because one Agent Chemo seed is showing taproot in the toilet paper (I decided to try em out even though they were collected less than a week ago and the mother plant is still maturing hehe) I sure hope it will make it, I have had a hard time with my seeds recently I think it has been too hot in my veg cabinet.

But I know I ll have a few more seeds on the Chemo but for now this one seed is going to be my baby, I will put her in a 12/12 garden right away because I have better control over the temps. Male or Female, I will keep it and probably introduce it to my winter breeding project, I need some flavour in there... and being that both strain (chemo + agent orange) are great smelling tasting strain, I can only imagine that the offspring will be something special.

Happy Growing everyone

Those are early symptoms of an Iron def....no doubt/starts on the new growth first......check your ph(i know you don't like too, but you should) to confirm it's not a lock......If solid(6-7ph) add Iron...good luck

PSUAGRO. said:

Those are early symptoms of an Iron def....no doubt/starts on the new growth first......check your ph(i know you don't like too, but you should) to confirm it's not a lock......If solid(6-7ph) add Iron...good luck

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Ok thanks buddy! I was reading just now that iron deficiency often goes away as the ph correct itself ... hehe when you look long enough for the answer you want, you will find it!

I am just going to give it plain water for a while, I think you might be bang on with the ph maybe I over did it with teas as well (last few batches werent that successful, no foam, I have been trying different things, will go back to the basics...) so it might have fucked with the ph.

I am not too worry, it's not like it is the only plant in my garden, I prefer to see what happens with water before I start adding stuff. If the problem gets worst though I ll know what to do!!

Cheeers

Damn Brother I Must Spread More Love To Rep Ya On Your Research.Your Ladies Are Looking Mighty Sexy Brother And Kudo's On Your First Attempt At MainLining.

Growth is picking up under the 2 AF600, only been 2 days since my last update on those but I was taking pics of the tent anyway so snapped a few more shots... So I am not going to say what they are... but DR. Grinspoon is going to be a challenge!

I had to wait to get the lights before I could transplant them into big pots and I think it shows... most of them are not going to get as big as I had hoped but the canopy will be loaded with buds and that's all it matters. I am looking forward to the ones that were transplanted as babies in big containers like the 4 TGA now in the room (3x3d and 1 vortex), the Smiler (seed from my outdoor plant) and the Nuken x WW. I am starting more Blue city Diesel because I want to give them a chance to show me what they can do if I transplant them early on.




Here is a couple pictures of petite blanche, I am being very mean with the runt at this point because I had some fungus gnats in the veg cabinet and decided not to water her again. The other one is doing really well considering the start she had, so I keep giving her water hehe... she has another week or 2 to go.






Here is the reason for my update in the first place, I got a few questions about my breeding program...

First of all, How long do I have before this spacebomb start to spread pollen ?


Should I be worry about the 2 agent Orange right now? one coming down sometime this week the other one not for 2 weeks.? (I am not worry about the k-train I will use it to make tinctures...)


I was trying to get a shot of the 2 Afghani but a bud got in the way hehe. I hope they will mature fast enough to get some of that pollen from the spacebomb.


How long do you guys it's going to take for the spacebomb to be big enough to shake him up? Right now I am guessing 3 weeks, and will let me about 5-7 weeks to mature the seeds with the buds




here's a couple shots of the Agent Orange that is almost ready, she is looking good!!!




Happy Growing everyone

Endur0xX said:

Yes Ganja, buy whichever light you wish... A51/fero's are very well priced. As stated in the very first page of this thread, I have tried many (including blackstar) and I settled for FERO/ AREA 51 and been very happy ever since.

I am not a gadget type of person, now that I have my equipment I dont look around to replace it...(hey Puff ? ) My goal is to grow the best buds I have ever smoked and my setup has allowed me to do so. I could careless of what brand the lights are, as long as they allow me to reach my goal.

I am a fairly new grower and when I compare some of my plants/buds to other experienced growers on this forum, I dont feel like my setup is lacking in anyway, I think it outperforms most because I am not sure of what I am doing yet everything comes out of my garden like top quality.




I dont know why I took the violator kush out last night to take a few pictures, it looks really funky under the led lighting but when I looked at her under natural lighting I realized that the edge of the leaves are all pointing up ... I would think sort of a claw like look from he soil being too hot? not sure if someone knows what's happening to her let me know. She looks great nonetheless and she is still my favorite in the garden.

You can see she was my first attempt at mainlining a 12/12 from seed and it almost worked but I didnt want to cut the 2 bottom branch to make her a true mainlined.

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I am very excited this morning because one Agent Chemo seed is showing taproot in the toilet paper (I decided to try em out even though they were collected less than a week ago and the mother plant is still maturing hehe) I sure hope it will make it, I have had a hard time with my seeds recently I think it has been too hot in my veg cabinet.

But I know I ll have a few more seeds on the Chemo but for now this one seed is going to be my baby, I will put her in a 12/12 garden right away because I have better control over the temps. Male or Female, I will keep it and probably introduce it to my winter breeding project, I need some flavour in there... and being that both strain (chemo + agent orange) are great smelling tasting strain, I can only imagine that the offspring will be something special.

Happy Growing everyone

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And u said u don't have time to veg!
Ha gots to call you out!
looking beautiful
mainline will be my next attempt with seeds

haha you say that because I said veg cabinet? haha got busted!!

My veg cabinet used to be set on 12/12 by the way, but then I wanted to try Campo's autoflowers. Meanwhile it gave me a bit more flexibility but I realized recently that I suck at keeping my plants healthy in party cups anyway so the veg cabinet is about to go back to 12/12, I will use it to start my seeds and I have enough room to keep 3x7gallons container in it in which I will start maturing my baby 12/12ers so that as soon as I have room in a garden I have plants that are ready for the big lights.

I really think that my most recent transplanting session (for the new room) has failed me, there seems to be a fine line and I get MUCH better results when I have the plants in the 7 gallons while they are still tiny little babies. The only plants that did really well are the DR.Grinspoons. So I am looking forward to see what will happens to the babies I recently added in the room under the 2 AF600 because they are true 12/12 from seed and I think they will outgrow everything that is in there atm.

GOT BUSTED!!

Endur0xX said:

haha you say that because I said veg cabinet? haha got busted!!

My veg cabinet used to be set on 12/12 by the way, but then I wanted to try Campo's autoflowers. Meanwhile it gave me a bit more flexibility but I realized recently that I suck at keeping my plants healthy in party cups anyway so the veg cabinet is about to go back to 12/12, I will use it to start my seeds and I have enough room to keep 3x7gallons container in it in which I will start maturing my baby 12/12ers so that as soon as I have room in a garden I have plants that are ready for the big lights.

I really think that my most recent transplanting session (for the new room) has failed me, there seems to be a fine line and I get MUCH better results when I have the plants in the 7 gallons while they are still tiny little babies. The only plants that did really well are the DR.Grinspoons. So I am looking forward to see what will happens to the babies I recently added in the room under the 2 AF600 because they are true 12/12 from seed and I think they will outgrow everything that is in there atm.

GOT BUSTED!!

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Well I say that because out of what I've always read in your journals or what I got from your style of growing, you go start from seed with a 12/12? So you never really "veg".

From my understanding main lining takes months of vegging before you flower.
But y u say u suck at keeping them healthy? Do u use super soil early on? Or what kind of soil do u try to veg with?


Well either way I personally think vegging is part of achieving good yield results, or better yet it's part of achieving a good all around harvest. I used to flower from clone at about week two now I veg for about month to 3 months and yield at least triples! I've never tried straight 12/12, seems like it can be fast, but what if something goes wrong at a early stage? U have to correct it ASAP!
But also I notice you like to try diffrent strains which is always nice, it's like a never ending quest to find the right one!

Yeah recently I had been starting my seeds under 18-6 and then as soon as I had room I would transplant them babies into 7 gallons and into the garden.

Sometimes it would take a bit too long to have room for another container so the plants would sit in party cup a bit too long and they were too old to be transplanted and straight into 12/12. All the plants in the current run under the 2 AF600 should have been veg at least 2 weeks because they just a bit too old when I transplanted them and they didnt have time to develop good root structure before they started to bud.

I think the way I do it, I get overall similar yield, but I have to keep higher plant counts. Eventually I will start vegging my plants and grow fewer plants but right now I am experimenting and trying many strain to see what is it that I like to smoke. For instance, I doubt that I had ever smoked pure Sativas or high % Sativas, only because commercial weed here in Canada is almost always Indicas. I really enjoy smoking hybrids and Sativas, but I also enjoy short flowering time hehe.

So far, pretty much every single plants that were transplanted as babies (less than a week old from seed) into 7 gallons always did very well. If something goes wrong during crucial part of development they endup being runts, like the Blue City Diesel and the Chemo in the room atm. (which are indicas too...)

I think that within a year from now my yield will be greatly improved simply from knowing which strain to grow 12/12 from seed. At that point I might have a room with 100% indicas that will be vegged and a room with hybrids that will go 12/12 from seed.

I know some people growing in cabinets are going to hate me for saying this: I really dont have a lot of room to grow!!!and when I get plants like this:

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I really dont see the point in vegging, especially with LEDs where the penetration can be limited, you want buds everywhere horizontally but not so many vertically ,... if you know what I mean

So for me right now it's all about finding the right strains, I am looking for big yielder with my style but also good potency and taste... Agent Orange is definitely up there but I like to have something more potent on hand as well. AO is very potent (even though I have read it's one of the weaker potency strain TGA has to offer) and I really enjoy the high... but I have grown strains that were more potent.

So that is one of the reason that I am getting into breeding, with my style of growing I go through many seeds and I would like to have so many that I can be more selective and only grow the ones that are top notch from the start. I am hoping that I can get something fun to grow out of my little breeding program.

spacebomb x spacebomb (they had a good start 12/12 from seed so that should be a decent strain to grow for me)
spacebomb x nyc diesel
spacebomb x afghani (just wanting to breed with a stable strain and also keep the flowering time down)

I might put another plant in the room and also I am not sure the afghani will be mature enough when the male spacebomb is going to be ready ...

The main reason why I dont veg too is that I am too impatient ...of course smoking so many strains is really awesome. During a shorter grow, less can go wrong as well I would hate to see a 2 months old plant getting a disease just before I even switch the lights to 12/12!!


EDIT another reason why I think I had a hard time keeping my party cups healthy in the veg cab is that I had fungus gnats and I think it could be partly why... I dont know they start strong and 1 week later they stop growing and get all fussy...

tonight I will take pictures of 4 beautiful chemos all in the same 10 gallons container and I will take pictures of the other 2 that stayed in the party cups. .. you will not believe it, the ones that were transplanted within a week from sprouting are HUGE compared to the other 2 that now look like they will go straight into the garbage can. do fungus gnats feed off of roots?

Endur0xX said:

tonight I will take pictures of 4 beautiful chemos all in the same 10 gallons container and I will take pictures of the other 2 that stayed in the party cups. .. you will not believe it, the ones that were transplanted within a week from sprouting are HUGE compared to the other 2 that now look like they will go straight into the garbage can. do fungus gnats feed off of roots?

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Haha Canadians and theIr dank micro brew beers! Love y'all brothers and sisters from the north! I've never left California, and not planning on too either, but if I had to leave I would def go to Canada! One day i shall make it up there. One day...

And I've had fungus gnats before and from what I've read they are more of a annoying bug then a harmfull bug? I'm sure it's not good to have a infestation, but there's many ways of dealing with them. I quote subcool " if you can't deal with fungus gnats, don't grow" haha lol
azamax is one solution, but if you really want to be a true organics grower, check this website out. Look into beneficial nematodes. That's what I've been using in my super soil along with my other soils. Just put them in water and they take care of the rest!
Subcool should put nematodes as part of the ingredients so pest won't be a issue
Check it
http://organiccontrol.com/
im planning on breeding praying mantis when the time is right..

Quote from website
"These microscopic organisms destroy pests that live underground. They will seek out and destroy more than 230 different kinds of soil dwelling and wood boring insects, including Japanese beetles, cut worms, wire worms, weevils, white grubs, fungus gnat larvae, flea larvae, subterranean termites and many more. They are so small that several thousand would fit on the head of a pin! But they do a big job –moving through the ground, they enter the body cavities of their target pests and release bacteria that kill that pest. They are completely safe for people, pets, and the environment, and are compatible with other beneficial insects. Each container includes seven million live beneficial nematodes."

OK Thanks!! I am not sure I want to release millions of those nasty little microscopic organism inside the house hehe doesnt matter how beneficial they might be! I still have ladybugs kicking around the 2 gardens, and I barely see any gnats in the tent. I wish I could buy more ladybugs.

here is an example of 2 seeds that came off the ground strong and then slowly turned to shit, I mean those might be 3 weeks old or more!!



Hundreds of $$$ down the drain here with basically 5% success rate...
thats vortex

I really fucked up starting so many seeds... not sure what happened, a combination of things including the medium being too wet maybe? also because winter was supposed to kickin 2 weeks ago I reorganised everything in the basements so that no air was coming from outside anymore or going outside and it actually got warmer outside after I did all this and with the dehumidifier running and all the lights it was a bit warm in my basement (88 in the veg cabinet...) so that might have contributed to none of them making it? Also maybe some of them might have been bad batch of seeds but since many of them didnt make it I would say it's mostly the grower's fault... I have lost more seeds over the past 3 weeks than what you see on the picture... the seeds that made it must be true champion (my own strain Smiler from my outdoor plant made it...)

Ok well enough of this... let's just say that I suck at starting seeds but I grow 12/12 from seeds


Now Foreverflyhi... our discussion earlier this morning made me think quite a bit and I thought I should get off my ass and do what needs to be done. I took the 2 AO out of the tent because they actually need 2 more weeks to mature and the spacebomb could release pollen anytime now.

I took the 2 Afghani out of the breeding tent because they WILL be too young for good pollination to occur and so I replaced them with 2 Medicines ... unfortunately not my strongest but I think it's only because they didnt like being topped just before they were about to show sex.

As you can see the other plants in both the tent and the room2 (I will call the room with the 2AF600 room2 from now on...) are coming along very nicely and the canopy is filling up nicely in room2!!!



I put the Kessil over the AOs as well and moved the petite blanche to finish under 12/12 ... well I am not sure I might move a few more things around later today I need to think some more. (perhaps using the stronger Medicine plants for my breeding tent but that would take a good chunk off of the canopy in room2)

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Happy Growing everyone

btw the reason why I tried to start so many seeds was that I wanted to try a sea of green from seed in what used to be the veg cabinet after the auto's would be done. I changed my mind on this now veg cabinet back to 12/12, still going to be for younger plants and seedlings.

Word on the lady bugs, but just so there's no confusion about benefical nematodes, they aren't little bugs that are outside your grow or the plants themselves, they are microscopic worms that live in your soil. It's part of soil biology. There's beneficial nematodes and bad nematodes.
I recommended you buy a book called teaming with microbes
this book is really the reason I got into organics and supersoil.
Everything subcool talks about this books breaks it down scientifically. Which is awesome that way you can really know what's happening in your soil.

Subbed!
this thread has some FIRE bud!
great job on your work buddy!

Ok just a quick update to show off a few BIG buds in the make, a few shots of one Agent Orange that is pretty much ready what do you guys think? and also a few pics of the spacebombs.

Chemo is almost ready, not many seeds in the buds unfortunately, (as far as I can tell... I got excited when I first saw them and if I would have known I would have left those 6-7 seeds on the buds because I dont think they were mature enough... now I am hoping there will be around 5-6 seeds and that I can grow at least 1 female...)


Now look at the size of this bud!! (Agent Orange.. again!!)


Another huge bud in the make is hard to see, it's in the very corner of the room, God's lemon skunk... (the other god lemon skunk are a bit behind but it appears like they will grow huge buds as well only a bit too early to tell...) Would you guys remove the huge fan leaves on the GLS in the corner? I mean it seems like she is doing well with them but at the same time that would shed a bunch of lights on the lower part of the massive bud... I think I will leave them there just wondering what you guys think.


violator kush


A few shots of 2 Agent Orange in room2 now, one appears to be ready or almost!! The other I had to tie one of the main cola because I broke when moving the plants from the tent to room2.


almost ready?


My most precious !! 3 3d and 1 vortex (1 3d will be scratch I think it looks like a mutant)


Blue Sage is another example of an Indica that definitely needs to be vegged, and the last thing I should have done was topping it so late... It will grow some sweet pot because she will be healthy nonetheless only small yield...


Medicines, NYC diesel, and the space bombs...


Happy Growing everyone

Lovely ladies man! I say the pics under the section "almost ready?" look just about ready, very frosty my friend, excellent job! Can probably chop any day now.

yeah you are probably right, they are hard to cut those agent oranges, they just keep putting on weight !! I ll wait for the 15th.

I have nothing to write that would praise your growing skills high enough....so i will leave this general pointless stuff for you to spend 5 seconds reading then throw in the trash...

Nah looking awesome as per usual bruv.

I WONT mention the seeds...