Wolverine97
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You talkin to me?
Why cure so long?
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You talkin to me?
legallyflying
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No, I was talking to mr. high and mighty organic guy.
No, I was talking to mr. high and mighty organic guy.
Wolverine97
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lol. That's exactly what I had in mind...
I'm certainly open to trying synthetics, I own AN Sensi bases, and Fox Farm, and I use Botanicare Cal Mag+ and Silica Blast along with several other supplements. I only use the AN stuff on my testers, same with the Calmag (mostly). I use Silica Blast on my soil plants so I'm not 100% organic, but I do prefer the organic product.
legallyflying
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Well botanicare is organic enough for me. Most of it is made of decomposed plant and animal matter but its very difficult to get organic minerals to be readily absorbed in a hydro. Most have to be broken down first. I use beneficials and all but really I get bang up results with the botanicare line so I'm good. You know whats kind of funny, soil is actually mostly eroded minerals...which is NOT organic.
Snafu1236
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@legallyflying---nah, not righteous dude, my preference is just organic, and as stated in ym last post, just my opinion. um no, i didnt miss the point...i actually described my own curing/drying methods in the beginning of this thread--my reference that youre attacking was directed towards flushing. but i dont need to explain myself---its all up there above in the previous posts, check it out if you want to.
again, IMHO, why not just replicate nature and try to create the plant's fruit in a similar fashion to how mother earth would? To me, over the years, nothing compares to organically grown compared to chemmed out methods....it has been proven time and time again. But, i am also kind of a pot snob when it comes to dank...ill only smoke the best, otherwise i deem it unfit to put into my body and brain.
again, IMHO, why not just replicate nature and try to create the plant's fruit in a similar fashion to how mother earth would? To me, over the years, nothing compares to organically grown compared to chemmed out methods....it has been proven time and time again. But, i am also kind of a pot snob when it comes to dank...ill only smoke the best, otherwise i deem it unfit to put into my body and brain.
Wolverine97
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I'm with ya on the line drawn between organic/not organic, that's what I meant before about the bear shitting out the iron. As long as it's a natural source, I'm not so hung up on "true" organics, for me it all comes down to having a living soil, as that's the most important thing.
Bonzi Lighthouse
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Legallyflying....it sounds like you have tried to do organic hydro grows, they just don't mix. That is probably why you say "fuck organic".
Organic grows are all about LIVING SOILS which are full of microbes and fungi that feed your plant for you, an 'organic hydro'(lol) grow can NEVER replicate a living soil.
If hydro is your thing, go chems all the way, it will beat organic hydro everytime. But for soil, nothing beats organic.
Organic grows are all about LIVING SOILS which are full of microbes and fungi that feed your plant for you, an 'organic hydro'(lol) grow can NEVER replicate a living soil.
If hydro is your thing, go chems all the way, it will beat organic hydro everytime. But for soil, nothing beats organic.
Uncle Ben
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"Organic" is the (rather stale) buzzword of the organic vendors. It's used to sell product now, giving one the feeling that it is somehow superior. It's not. It's been shown in scientific studies, field trials, that pure organic gardening is not superior to conventional farming. To me, there has to be a balance and I combine intensive organic gardening with chemical tweeks out of a bag or a box. Now, if organics didn't contain the dirty word, "chemicals", they would be worthless. If it sounds too good to be true......
Having said that, check this out Wolverine97. This is what organic gardening is all about - https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/267989-uncle-bens-gardening-tweeks-pointers-40.html
I know what's in my products. If you're buying organic products from a vendor, you only know what they tell you is in it and I can assure you that they will tell you what they think you want to hear just so they can "close the deal".
I have to laugh when I see hydro addicts try to mimic the benefits of organics with high priced additions. Can't beat Dyna-Gro for a complete food, and if you FEEL you need more, than foliar spray with an extract of kelp.
Having said that, check this out Wolverine97. This is what organic gardening is all about - https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/267989-uncle-bens-gardening-tweeks-pointers-40.html
I know what's in my products. If you're buying organic products from a vendor, you only know what they tell you is in it and I can assure you that they will tell you what they think you want to hear just so they can "close the deal".
I have to laugh when I see hydro addicts try to mimic the benefits of organics with high priced additions. Can't beat Dyna-Gro for a complete food, and if you FEEL you need more, than foliar spray with an extract of kelp.
Wolverine97
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I'm with you for the most part, and I've read most of that thread as well. If we were talking about outdoor farming in dirt, I would agree that chem is totally fine. When we're talking about an indoor grow, I don't believe that synthetics can produce the flavors that I get with organics. Think about hydroponic strawberries or tomatoes, I can always tell the difference between those and garden fresh, and I believe it to be a result of complex organic compounds that chem ferts just can't replicate. Maybe I'm wrong, but someone would have to really prove it to me.
Why is it that a chemically grown strawberry can never match the flavor of one that's soil grown? That's a serious question.
Uncle Ben
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Voice of reason there!
Uncle Ben
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I used to hold that premise too but I have had some hydro grown tomatoes that were awesome regarding taste and texture. Whether that was due to the grower's expertise, choice of plant, culture.....don't have a clue.
Most recently developed strawberries (and other berries like blackberries) suck regarding flavor. When breeding for certain traits like market appeal you usually give up something (flavor, excellent acid/sugar balance) to get something in return (thornless, increased size, improved storage qualities, etc.) I have yet to taste a really good thornless blackberry for example. Even Apache or Arapaho pale in comparison to the old thorny standards. Accordingly, just planted a huge blackberry with the taste and the thorns to go with it - Kiowa.
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skiweeds
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I've heard that people cure their buds for three months and sometimes up to a year, but in the marijuana growers bible it says that two weeks is sufficient. What is the point of curing for so long?
How long do you normally cure for?
its like wine, longer is usually better. makes it taste smoother. sure 2 week may be sufficient, but 1 month is much better.
legallyflying
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I'm pretty certain in blind taste tests people could not tell the difference. I know I have been surprised before. Did soil growing outdoors for several years. I just think hydro is allot more fun and exacting and that's what I like about it. Rocket ship growth and large yields don't hurt either
Oh yeah, I've got nothing against hydro and aeroponics, they are great ways to increase yield vs space used and they are going to play a huge role feeding the worlds growing population.
What I do have a problem with is sterilizing acres of soil with conventional farming techniques plus destroying the surrounding eco systems with run off. I think organic can be just as good, better, or worse, than conventionally grown food or hydroponically grown food(or weed). It all has to do with the farmer.
I try to eat as much organic food as I can, but it has nothing to do with taste or health. It's because I believe it is more environmentally responsible and more ethical(migrant workers are constantly exposed to chemicals which cause chronic health problems on conventional farms). The run-off of pesticides and petrochemical fertilizer from corporate mega-farms are destroying local eco-systems. That is why I eat organic. But I am also completely addicted to hydro grown boston living lettuce.
What I do have a problem with is sterilizing acres of soil with conventional farming techniques plus destroying the surrounding eco systems with run off. I think organic can be just as good, better, or worse, than conventionally grown food or hydroponically grown food(or weed). It all has to do with the farmer.
I try to eat as much organic food as I can, but it has nothing to do with taste or health. It's because I believe it is more environmentally responsible and more ethical(migrant workers are constantly exposed to chemicals which cause chronic health problems on conventional farms). The run-off of pesticides and petrochemical fertilizer from corporate mega-farms are destroying local eco-systems. That is why I eat organic. But I am also completely addicted to hydro grown boston living lettuce.
legallyflying
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I hear you coolwhip. I eat lots of organic as well. Not a big fan of petro chemicals but they do have their place. I work as a restoration ecologist and believe me, we can throw down some herbicides when we need to. I think my rub with those preaching the organic mantra is that I suspect that many of them have no fucking idea about the differences between organic, certified organic, naturally processed, and chemically synthesized nutrients. So they just default to parroting if its not fully organic then its not organic at all. I'm not such a snob to the extent that the label has to say organic or I want no part of it. Not that everyone who gardens using organics is a complete snob about it but I think in general, there are greater numbers of organic gardeners that climb on to their high horse about organic gardening and take shots at those that don't even if they don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Like for instance "you don't have to flush organics" or "you have to flush hydro to get rid of all those nasty chemicals" Or Uncle Ben chiming in on hydro...like he knows what the hell he is talking about in the hydro realm. Captain miracle grow.
Your right though, its more about growers skill than anything. I've tasted organic bud that tasted like shit. I've also tasted hydro grown bud that was smooth, delicious, and powerful. More to the point of the thread though, it takes time to break down carbohydrates, nitrates, and other compounds in harvested bud. Depending on how you do it, it can take a long time or a short time. In general however, if your drying and curing process takes less than a month your probably not getting the most from your harvest.
Like for instance "you don't have to flush organics" or "you have to flush hydro to get rid of all those nasty chemicals" Or Uncle Ben chiming in on hydro...like he knows what the hell he is talking about in the hydro realm. Captain miracle grow.
Your right though, its more about growers skill than anything. I've tasted organic bud that tasted like shit. I've also tasted hydro grown bud that was smooth, delicious, and powerful. More to the point of the thread though, it takes time to break down carbohydrates, nitrates, and other compounds in harvested bud. Depending on how you do it, it can take a long time or a short time. In general however, if your drying and curing process takes less than a month your probably not getting the most from your harvest.
Beansly
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It's all that asshole Kevin Trudeau's fault. Ever since he came out with that crappy Secrets They Don't Want you to Know About book or whatever it's called, there's been a stupid organic food craze in America. Fuckin asshole... I dont need a scientific study to tell me that organic foodd tastes better, but whether or not it is better for you is kind of an opinion to me.
And the cigar analogy doesn't work. Cigars don't have psychoactive compounds that can degrade over time. It doesn't really matter if you cure it for a year, when it comes to the effect a cigar is going to give.
Again after reading a bit more, I see that most commercial growers only cure for 2-4 weeks. If it's good enough to sell then it's probably good enough to smoke.
But I might put aside an oz or so and spread it out so I can do a lil curing experiment where I'll cure the same weed for 2,4,6,8,10 & 12 weeks. See what if anything I'm missing.
And the cigar analogy doesn't work. Cigars don't have psychoactive compounds that can degrade over time. It doesn't really matter if you cure it for a year, when it comes to the effect a cigar is going to give.
Again after reading a bit more, I see that most commercial growers only cure for 2-4 weeks. If it's good enough to sell then it's probably good enough to smoke.
But I might put aside an oz or so and spread it out so I can do a lil curing experiment where I'll cure the same weed for 2,4,6,8,10 & 12 weeks. See what if anything I'm missing.
thatguynotspam
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well, I hold a phd in PS. I am mosly a lurker but do chime in from time to time. For the most part UB is dead on. In my own studies Mj will have increased flavor profiles when grown usuing TLO (true living organic soil). Since I don't have the ability to take it to my lab & dig in I can not tell you why, but mostlikely there is some chelation differences or perhaps with the "living" soil all elements are ready when & how the plant needs them vs. Human error issues when admin of chem ferts (most likely based on HR theorys). However, when adminestering chem or org as a feed on schedule there is negligable observed difference in my own control groups. In fact the chem fert containing EDTA should enhance the flavor of MJ as it has been found to do as a flavor preservitive in other fruits & veggies. Just my 2 cents though. In case you are wondering I use TLO with teas to offer any small adjustments needed. To also add UB is DEAD ON with maintaining lush green healthy plants through flower. Talk a walk through nature & find plants that produces flowers or fruit that dies while doing it. You should not see any substantial yellowing or die off until the plant has completed the cycle.
thatguynotspam
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oh yea, forgot to add, I believe in slow dry,30 day cure (6 wkprocess for me)
B.U.D.S.I.C.L.E.S
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I think there is a big difference in taste testing cured bud when it is vaporized as oppsed to burning it. I personally find when vaporizing properly cured bud, there is no chlorophyll "plant" taste but more of the flavorful, smoother, aromatic characteristics that make each strain unique. I think growing mediums have a big role in the final outcome of your product, and how you deliver your nutrients in the lifespan of your plant will be the biggest determining factor of how your cured buds will taste.
