Medi takes the Under Current RDWC system for a test drive, 6' x 8' Screen of Green.

[Medi 1]

i asked today at our work about this bleach and the nute mixer almost fell over laughing. use h2o2...its food grade bleach is toxic,...read the label...lol. anyone know what bleach and the ellements in the nutes form to...do some research. you dont want this in you

 

[woodsmaneh!]

Now for something totally different this is for you MM dude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jQN6y5mW08

Catchy tune

 

[MediMary]

haha cool song woods, Ill share one of my fav singers, passed away about a year and half ago.
[video=youtube;60XmFy2wVP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60XmFy2wVP8[/video]
[video=youtube;pH0nD-YkhnU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH0nD-YkhnU[/video]

 

[woodsmaneh!]

I feel you brother, life's adventure takes some way too soon, way too soon. It's what we make of what's left that's important. With age comes wisdom and some times peace....

 

[MediMary]

If you guys havnt checked out homebrewer, he has some fun and interesting reads.

The experiment:

I have 2 identical setups with 6 plants in each tray. The plants in each tray are the same age, however, the trays contain different strains and are being fed with different nutrients at different feeding levels.

The AK47 in this journal is getting DG nutes at 850ppm and the Dumpster tray is getting GH nutes at 1100ppm. GH is a saltier formula and given the same feeding levels, the EC of my ‘leached’ water is always higher when feeding with GH nutes as compared to DG nutes (measured many times in previous grows).

In this experiment, my AK47 tray being fed with DG nutes will be flushed with Clearex at 10mls/gallon and the Dumpster tray will be flushed with plain tap water. It would stand to reason that if Clearex did make a difference, the EC of the leached water from the AK47 tray would be equal or greater than that of the Dumpster tray.

On the other hand, if clearex made no difference at all, the EC of the leached water from the Dumpster tray would be greater than that of the DG tray since GH is a saltier formula and is being fed at higher levels.

Let’s get started

Both trays were given a base of around 250ppm (half RO and half tap water). The AK47 tray was given 10mls/gallon of clearex while the Dumpster tray was left alone.



Starting point for the AK47 tray:





Starting point for the Dumpster tray:




Both trays were flooded for 2 hours and at 3 separate times during the flood, I hand-poured res water over the blocks multiple times to leach salts from the top of the blocks.

The Conclusion:

The ppm of the Dumpster reservoir that was leached with plain water was 850ppm. The ppm of the AK47 reservoir that was leached with Clearex was 690ppm.

In the past when leaching these two trays, I’d normally expect about a 200ppm difference between the two and considering the difference is only 160ppm, that tells me that the effectiveness of Clearex over water is negligible, at best.

I will not be purchasing this garbage ever again.


Final PPM for the AK47 tray:






Final PPM for the Dumpster tray:

 

[woodsmaneh!]

Take that clearex you cad..

More magic sauces and wonderful bigger than the next guy... grow wonders. I know some people just want to make money but shame

 

[MediMary]

Well I already put this up, butt fuck it.LOL
its my thread and ill do what I want

From what I understand the recommendation is to run PK booster (0 to very low Nitrogen) for last 7-10 days at 300-450 ppm and then a 2 day flush with RO or tap water.

The absence of the N, but the presence of the other nutes will better ripen the fruit as it will spur the plants to mature and access the complex sugars and starches stored in the leaves, while the plant compensates for the lack of N by drawing the chlorophyll from leaves.

Water only is better suited for grow media that can store and slowly release nutes over the period of the flush.

With water culture once you drop the nutes they're gone, which can lend toward plants being deficient for the last week of it's life. This can lend towards both diminishing potency and flavors as the plant tissue is escentially watered down.

 

[NewGrowth]

Thanks for the flattery Mary
I've not posted any pictures of my recent grows. I took a couple pics for you, these are almost finished Sage, Blueberry x Big Bud, C99, diesel, Trainwreck, and Pure Gold.
The reason for mixing nutes before Ph is because most of them have buffers that will lower the Ph. It's way easier to add nutes and fine tune than it is to use a bunch of Ph up after mixing.
Florakleen is like clearex but I would say a bit stronger and usually cheaper.
As far as the bleach argument I'll telly ou my experience briefly, you can all feel free to disagree I don't really care. I grow in a warehouse with a huge pigeon colony on the roof, it's old and cleaning up dust is a constant task. I use lots of filtration in my veg room, greenhouse grade fungicides/pesticides. Because I work around such a high disease load everything has to be sterilized multiple times. In the process of adjusting to my pigeon hole I have tried just about every rootzone conditioner on the market. I always used to use H2O2 but here it does not come close to cutting it. A few drops of bleach keeps everything fresh. The 'toxic' side of bleach for plants is the sodium (NaCl) aka 'salt'. The reason I'm not killing my plants with bleach is because I literally use a few drops! You can't even smell it in the water, the
amount of salt being added may be compared to adding a grain or two of table salt to your Rez, hardly something to freak over.
I'm excited to see your pics now Mary here are a couple of mine. Thanks for inviting me to your journal.

Ok can't load pic from my iPhone, I'll have to go to my computer, be back shortly . . .

 

[Medi 1]

ya i asked about the flushing agents on what their about or in them. its a bottle of sugar water. thats why we dont make one, its a fraud

 

[NewGrowth]

Not sure what is in FloraKleen, I know some have citric acid, no sugar though that's sweeteners I don't use those. What I do know is when I clean salt encrusted waterfarms the only thing that removes 100% of the salt build up is florakleen and water, plain water just does not cut it. I don't think I like the new RIU layout . . . Ok here are the pics:

Pulled this off the FloraKleen MSDS while I was waiting for the pics to upload:General Hydroponics Flora Kleen Cleaning Flush Solution is a light blue aqueous solution of chemicals mixed in concentrations to remove nutrient residues from hydroponics systems. Ingredients in this mixture are of low toxicity, but might cause skin and eye irritation upon contact. It is also expected to be a low ingestion hazard. It says don't drink so it not water

Hmm now looking at those pictures, sorry its a jungle in there its hard to snap a good picture . . .

 

[GNOME GROWN]

sick set up,props bro!

 

[MediMary]

NG, huba huba~ always impressive
those pictures brings me back to a special time

[video=youtube;4ioIylqRPXU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ioIylqRPXU[/video]

 

[MediMary]

NG, I flatter my girlfriend,

Im telling you the truth!
also they make these little fish eye lens you can stick on your iphone, takes some of the coolest pictures I have ever seen!!

As for the bleach, I think it can be a great tool~I am not knocking it just not right for me at this particular time/location but I may pull it out of my bag of tricks sometime in the future if need be.

A lot of huge indoor hydoponic raft systems use it. Numerous growers I respect and that have great results use it(urself included).
I made a thread about a year and a half ago on h202 and I cringe when I read it now, so one dimensional was my thinking.
LOL.
For awhile I was looking for the "right" way to do everything, but whats right for one person might lead to failure for another due to variables that are not understood or lack of experience with a particular product. Like you said h202 wasnt cutting it, but maybe if you moved across country bleach wouldnt cut it at that particular location, I think Jsgambler hit the nail on the head about troubleshooting and learning/knowing your environment.

So tell me about those waterfarms are you using them stock or doing the modified(heath style) waterfarms?!?
Maybe ill give the florakleen ~~I get salt build up as well shits, a pain to get off.


Thanks for stopping in GnomeGrown

 

[NewGrowth]

I don't think I've seen the Heath modified waterfarms, is he just drilling the bottom and recirculating the water? I just use the waterfarms for mother plants, they make the best biggest cuts. After about 4 months I just throw the plant away and rotate another mother into the mix.
To answer though, no I do not modify the waterfarms they just run independently, I've had them on a Texas controller but now I run them individually because they are mixed in with other plants being staged for flower in Sunshine #4. When they are all hooked together it's hard to move them around.
I agree with what you said too, some products do not work for certain situations. My experience is trial and error is the best teacher because knowledge on cannabis horticulture is usually filled with peoples opinions and myths. A recent myth I've been seeing is powdery mildew is a 'systemic' disease, I think this one may have been started by someone who did not know the definition of systemic.
Fish eye for the iPhone? I'll have to check that out!

 

[MediMary]

What did you think of that of the heath style link I sent you buddy?

 

[researchkitty]

FloraKleen is great for cleaning Hydroton with. I toss in about 8 ounces for every 55 gallon reservoir full of Hydroton and water. Let it soak in and eat up all the dead roots and salts for about 15 minutes and agitate it a little to shake it free too.

 

[NewGrowth]

What did you think of that of the heath style link I sent you buddy?

Very cool, I've done the exact same thing before. I think the monster ebb and grows are a better design for trees. The modified waterfarms are square, I like to turn the plants 1/4 turn every couple days with vertical lighting so the round buckets work well. I saw some of heath's 'waterfarms' that were made with 5gal buckets that looks cool . . .
Trees are the way to go though, I'll never go back to a SOG

 

[shadowgrow]

keep ur threads up. ull gain a following of peeps. good info here.

 

[MediMary]

thanks for stopping in shadow, Im honored your first post was in my thread
got a lot of things popping right now and some really interesting tests I am going to be sharing with my fellow farmers.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

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