Just 158 families contributed half of all funding in 2016 elections

[ttystikk]

you are correct i wouldn't recognize it because it is an ideal and not real so gl with your democracy

Cool. Thanks for sharing your fascist outlook.

'I don't fight fascists because I think I will win. I fight fascists because they are fascists.'

 

[Fogdog]

More weak smears that ignore the facts. Bernie stepped right up to the mic, took responsibility and apologized to women who were hurt by those working in his campaign. Show me what more honorable than that. You can't, because you're an inveterate hypocrite and serial liar.

I asked why Bernie hasn't done anything to address the issues raised by women who worked on his campaign. His words don't matter. He has complete say on what happens in his campaign. Why hasn't he addressed the issues raised by making changes in his campaign staff or policies?

 

[ttystikk]

man i am not going down this rabbit hole with you because you have already jumped too far down it. however you can disagree all you want, and assign control to any number of families you want, the faxct is more money comes from PAC's and enterprise corps than via private family donations. the problem is the same regardless so there is even lesss of a point to argue about it. the fact is money controls politics not ppl or democracy. if you want to argue about if it is 158 familes or an arsenal of PAC's then you are wasting your time imo

Who, exactly, do you think actually funds all those PACs?

And what's your point about money controlling politics? Yes, it's a given in modern America. Is it somehow out of bounds to discuss and expose WHOSE money is doing the influencing? How about WHY?

You smell like a fascist. It stinks.

 

[ttystikk]

The Supreme Court ruled with Citizen's United to overturn most campaign finance reform laws and makes it impossible to restrict corporations from making huge donations to candidates. In 2015, every Democratic Caucus Senator voted in favor of repealing the Citizen's United ruling and every Republican Senator sustained their filibuster of this measure. Why do you continue to support Republicans?

I support Bernie Sanders and the Progressive Left. Why do you insist on weak smears? It's because you don't have valid arguments.

The Supreme Court, packed with alumni of the Federalist Society, has LEGALISED POLITICAL BRIBERY and elevated it above the rights of citizens to vote.

Legalising corruption does not make it any less unacceptable.

 

[ttystikk]

I asked why Bernie hasn't done anything to address the issues raised by women who worked on his campaign. His words don't matter. He has complete say on what happens in his campaign. Why hasn't he addressed the issues raised by making changes in his campaign staff or policies?

You're trying to say that he controls everyone in his campaign like little robots?

Weak.

Funny how polls show he has higher support among women than men. How do you explain that? ...other than by lying and gaslighting, that is?

 

[outliergenetix]

The Supreme Court ruled with Citizen's United to overturn most campaign finance reform laws and makes it impossible to restrict corporations from making huge donations to candidates. In 2015, every Democratic Caucus Senator voted in favor of repealing the Citizen's United ruling and every Republican Senator sustained their filibuster of this measure. Why do you continue to support Republicans?

dude you are part of the problem if you are looking to either party to save the day lolol. i mean if you are suggesting this is a republican issue then there is no helping you. did you know the republican's via bill clinton balanced the budget by setting aside political party divisions and gave, FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN HISTORY, line item veto power to a president in an unselfish bipartisan effort to balance the budget which it did for the first and last time ever in history. did you know that the very next election when congress was a democratic majority and the president was a republican the first thing the dems did was remove line item veto power? so if u think dems care about poor ppl or you or democracy then lulz

 

[outliergenetix]

Cool. Thanks for sharing your fascist outlook.

'I don't fight fascists because I think I will win. I fight fascists because they are fascists.'

i don't think you could spot a facist if you were sitting in aushwitz tbh. i am an anarchist if anything, about as far from a facist as you can get. you however are a capitalist who still believes in the illusion of democracy, so basically you are a "tool of facists" because as you said yourself we don't live in a democracy right? and you support one of the two parties of power in this non-democratic system right? so thru the magic of the transitive property you are a tool of facism.
funny how facist is a buzzword now ppl like you use when what you really mean to say is..."i have no substance to rebut my advesary so i will call him a facist" .

 

[ttystikk]

dude you are part of the problem if you are looking to either party to save the day lolol. i mean if you are suggesting this is a republican issue then there is no helping you. did you know the republican's balanced the budget by setting aside political party divisions and gave, FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN HISTORY, line item veto power to a democratic president in an unselfish effort to balance the budget which it did for the first and last time ever in history. did you know that the very next election when congress was democratic majority and the president was a republican the first thing the dems did was remove line item veto power? so if u think dems care about poor ppl or you or democracy then lulz

Yes I knew that.

I'll forgive you for not knowing that I'm no more a fan of the Democratic Party than I am of the Republicans because you're new here. I've made lots of adversaries in this forum by pointing out that Democrats are as corrupt and responsible for America's decline as Republicans are.

Having done lots of homework and research, I'm convinced that both parties are hopelessly corrupt and completely bought by the same tiny few we discussed above, leading to a social, political and economic situation where the needs and even the lives of average Americans are treated with contempt and we are now more infamous abroad for our campaigns of mass murder than we are respected for our good works.

 

[ttystikk]

i don't think you could spot a facist if you were sitting in aushwitz tbh. i am an anarchist if anything, about as far from a facist as you can get. you however are a capitalist who still believes in the illusion of democracy, so basically you are a "tool of facists" because as you said yourself we don't live in a democracy right? and you support one of the to parties of power in this non-democratic system right? so thru the magic of the transitive property you are a tool of facism. funny how facist is a buzzword now for ppl who really mean to say "i have no substance to rebut my advesary so i will call him a facist" .

Anarchy is the tool of fascism.

I believe in the right of We the People to determine who would govern us and that means democracy. I'm well aware that America's claim to being one has always been tenuous at best but that's no reason to give up on it.

You don't know me at all, so trying to smear me as a capitalist just betrays your own biases.

 

[UncleBuck]

Is this ttys meltdown thread

 

[outliergenetix]

Yes I knew that.

I'll forgive you for not knowing that I'm no more a fan of the Democratic Party than I am of the Republicans because you're new here. I've made lots of adversaries in this forum by pointing out that Democrats are as corrupt and responsible for America's decline as Republicans are.

Having done lots of homework and research, I'm convinced that both parties are hopelessly corrupt and completely bought by the same tiny few we discussed above, leading to a social, political and economic situation where the needs and even the lives of average Americans are treated with contempt and we are now more infamous abroad for our campaigns of mass murder than we are respected for our good works.

well this is good news. so then please pray tell how you think individual donations come into play? the fact is you cannot have a morally sound, honest system of government in a society who values capitalism at it's core. money corrupts and if money is the name of the game for a society then their leadership shall thus be corrupted by that same money. it matters not if they are 1%, 10% or 51% of the population. when dollars trump truth, and dollars always will when we value capitalism so highly, then the politics will fail to do it's main job, because the power is in the hands of the ppl with the money not the politicians, and i hate to tell you this is getting worse because power not just money is also in the hands of these companies now via their information stores/databases and digital networks. these resources are owned by the private sector. companies like google and facebook exceed the governments own capabilities so now when the government needs to spy on ppl it needs to ask them lol. we are moving into the era of the super villain man no joke. you might as well call jeff bezos lex luther, he even looks like him. elon musk, zuckerberg the trio at google etc... are all part of the legion of doom and the u.s government is or will be their puppets. h

 

[ttystikk]

Is this ttys meltdown thread

Cry some more

 

[outliergenetix]

Anarchy is the tool of fascism.

I believe in the right of We the People to determine who would govern us and that means democracy. I'm well aware that America's claim to being one has always been tenuous at best but that's no reason to give up on it.

You don't know me at all, so trying to smear me as a capitalist just betrays your own biases.

okay i hate even saying anarchist because i am not an anarchist simply because out of anarchy politics are born soit solves nothing. i used it to frame the fact i am not at all affiliated with any party or ideology. i point this out because every internet debate boils down to someone calling the other a dem or rep or occasionaly a libtard. i am none of those and i am trying ot avoid this common pitfall by saying i am an anarchist. what i am is agnostic in all things. i offer my opinions which are always subject to changer and are as advertised, simply opinions. i generally live outside what society deems as the norm, hence why i call myself the outlier. anyway no system or ideolgy is correct, none will save anyone or help anything. they are all means to a man made end of misery and destruction all in a vane attempt of man to save himself from random chance. an attemping to put order to the universe when the universe itself is chaos. it is futile, ppl need to be more taoist in their personally approcah to life, but even that only leaves them open to being lorded over by those who don't. the point no system is without major flaw in prqctice, therefor all systems and ideologies are idealstic in nature and a waste of time. even capitalism is corrupted only because of regulation. man needs to stop reguilating everything, man is inferior to the universe and nature and thus is how do you say "fucking it up for the rest of us"

 

[ttystikk]

the fact is you cannot have a morally sound, honest system of government in a society who values capitalism at it's core. money corrupts and if money is the name of the game for a society then their leadership shall thus be corrupted by that same money.

I agree.

so then please pray tell how you think individual donations come into play?

I think they should be strictly limited to registered voters and no more than $100 in total per year. The amount is deliberately small so as to be universally accessible. No PACs, no super PACs, no corporate contributions, etc of any kind, punishable by long prison terms and fines tens or hundreds of times larger than the offending bribe, because that's what they really are.

it matters not if they are 1%, 10% or 51% of the population.

Yes it does. If the majority of the population were equally represented, we'd have democracy.

this is getting worse because power not just money is also in the hands of these companies now via their information stores/databases and digital networks. these resources are owned by the private sector. companies like google and facebook exceed the governments own capabilities so now when the government needs to spy on ppl it needs to ask them lol.

Agreed. This has expanded dramatically in the past decade and most Americans are so clueless that they think the few who blew the whistle on such mass surveillance are traitors, not heroes.

Bezos, et al are symptoms and products of a completely corrupt system on a runaway path to totalitarianism, a destination I have argued that we have already largely arrived at.

When criminals own the government and outlaw or subvert all avenues of dissent then revolt is the only option left. I advocate for mass peaceful civil disobedience.

 

[ttystikk]

okay i hate even saying anarchist because i am not an anarchist simply because out of anarchy politics are born soit solves nothing. i used it to frame the fact i am not at all affiliated with any party or ideology. i point this out because every internet debate boils down to someone calling the other a dem or rep or occasionaly a libtard. i am none of those and i am trying ot avoid this common pitfall by saying i am an anarchist. what i am is agnostic in all things. i offer my opinions which are always subject to changer and are as advertised, simply opinions. i generally live outside what society deems as the norm, hence why i call myself the outlier. anyway no system or ideolgy is correct, none will save anyone or help anything. they are all means to a man made end of misery and destruction all in a vane attempt of man to save himself from random chance. an attemping to put order to the universe when the universe itself is chaos. it is futile, ppl need to be more taoist in their personally approcah to life, but even that only leaves them open to being lorded over by those who don't. the point no system is without major flaw in prqctice, therefor all systems and ideologies are idealstic in nature and a waste of time. even capitalism is corrupted only because of regulation. man needs to stop reguilating everything, man is inferior to the universe and nature and thus is how do you say "fucking it up for the rest of us"

Anarchy worked back when one could walk away from society. In a world full of billions and nuclear weapons that simply is no longer a viable option, therefore a fully representative democracy is the next best thing, as it would serve the greatest number of people in the best way available; according to their own wishes.

 

[ttystikk]

Is this ttys meltdown thread

You melt down here every day

 

[Fogdog]

dude you are part of the problem if you are looking to either party to save the day lolol. i mean if you are suggesting this is a republican issue then there is no helping you. did you know the republican's via bill clinton balanced the budget by setting aside political party divisions and gave, FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN HISTORY, line item veto power to a president in an unselfish bipartisan effort to balance the budget which it did for the first and last time ever in history. did you know that the very next election when congress was a democratic majority and the president was a republican the first thing the dems did was remove line item veto power? so if u think dems care about poor ppl or you or democracy then lulz

One has to go back 20 years to find a time when a Democratic President worked with a Republican Congress to balance the budget. So, yeah, I'm good with the President working with Congress to find an equitable way to balance the budget. The tail end of Clinton's Presidency were pretty good for working people. I also am nostalgic for an America where the worst scandal coming from our WH was due to a stained blue dress. Today it's a Republican President who sold his office to Putin and Republicans don't seem to care. But no matter.

Once he took office, George W cut taxes, increased spending and wiped out any chances of a balanced budget ever since. Also ignored growing financial shenanigans in the mortgage industry that sent the country into the worst recession since 1930. Aren't you just a little bit naive for ignoring that?

Then Trump and GOP Congress comes in. Trump simply magnified the damage after years of Obama whittling down the deficit by borrowing money from China to pay for a trillion dollar tax give-away to the wealthy. They fought hard to eliminate the ACA and destroy Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. They have shut down the government to fight for borrowing even more for a wall that would be a waste of money. No way Democrats would have done these things.

It's naive to say that Republicans are same as Democrats.

 

[UncleBuck]

Cry some more

You melt down here every day

So that’s a yes then

 

[Fogdog]

dude you are part of the problem if you are looking to either party to save the day lolol. i mean if you are suggesting this is a republican issue then there is no helping you. did you know the republican's via bill clinton balanced the budget by setting aside political party divisions and gave, FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN HISTORY, line item veto power to a president in an unselfish bipartisan effort to balance the budget which it did for the first and last time ever in history. did you know that the very next election when congress was a democratic majority and the president was a republican the first thing the dems did was remove line item veto power? so if u think dems care about poor ppl or you or democracy then lulz

I will also say that in 2015, every Democratic Party Senator voted in favor of overturning Citizen's United and every Republican Senator voted to filibuster that bill and successfully stopped it. You can spin a fact free and cynical narrative how you like it. The facts show Democrats support campaign finance reform and Republicans don't.

It is naive to say that Republicans are the same as Democrats.

 

[ttystikk]

So that’s a yes then

When you scream, it's Justice.

When anyone else does, it's a meltdown.

Yet by your post count, you scream here more than anyone else.

Hypocrite.