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Fogdog

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idk why you think i'm defending reps. and as i said it is also irefutable if the dems wanted to balance the budget they would give a rep president or any president line item veto power. i mean is your argument my party is less evil? if so that is what they want ya know, an endless debate on who is worse while they all do whatever suits them and the 1%
A Democratic president oversee a balanced the budget. As soon as Republicans got control the deficit ballooned when they borrowed money and gave it away to wealthy backers. The next opportunity for a Democratic President came under Obama and he reduced the deficit each of the last five years in office. Trump and Republicans took control and the deficit ballooned when they borrowed money and gave to wealthy backers. The pattern is easy to see.

It is naive to say Republicans are same as Democrats.

Given how shitty Republicans have been at governing, I can see why they want to say otherwise. However facts clearly show that Democrats are fiscally responsible and Republicans are rapists in every way imaginable.
 

Fogdog

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or TMZ because idk where she is from tbh. lol but geography is not the issue. i thought she was russian actually. shows how republican i am. it's not like they didnt share a border
Safe to say you don't know much of anything. The country she comes from doesn't share a border with Russia.
 

Fogdog

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idk why you think i'm defending reps. and as i said it is also irefutable if the dems wanted to balance the budget they would give a rep president or any president line item veto power. i mean is your argument my party is less evil? if so that is what they want ya know, an endless debate on who is worse while they all do whatever suits them and the 1%
Explain to me how line item veto power would have enabled Trump to both borrow trillions for a tax cut to the wealthy AND cut the deficit?
 

outliergenetix

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A Democratic president oversee a balanced the budget. As soon as Republicans got control the deficit ballooned when they borrowed money and gave it away to wealthy backers. The next opportunity for a Democratic President came under Obama and he reduced the deficit each of the last five years in office. Trump and Republicans took control and the deficit ballooned when they borrowed money and gave to wealthy backers. The pattern is easy to see.

It is naive to say Republicans are same as Democrats.

Given how shitty Republicans have been at governing, I can see why they want to say otherwise. However facts clearly show that Democrats are fiscally responsible and Republicans are rapists in every way imaginable.
wait you need to rewind man. you missed what me and the other dude were talking about then. no offense your statement shows a lack of understanding of how the budget works and where responsibility lies for what. so let me explain briefly. congress proposes the budget a president vetos or not. pork barrel spending is why he cannot balance the budget. line item veto power elimintaes pork barrel spending regardless of party thus empowers the president regardless of party the ability to do something super simple for rich ppl and that is balance their ledger. now. congress only can grant this power. only a republican one has and they did so with a democrat as president, aka bill lcinton. he balanced the budget like a child could with this power. bush gets elected congress become democrat, they vote to remove line item veto power, we go into defecit because of cingress pork barrel spending like before and it's remaind that way since because you and the general public are ignorant as to how clinton and a republican congress did the impossible. you're welocme for the history lesson. any rebuttal is mute. congreess proposses the budget to a president he can pass it or not so congress is responsile for the fucking budget. a republican congress gave the president the power to veto the glutonous congress and he did so and balanced the budget. i mena until the dems allow line item veto again the reps won't and thus we are all fucked. but go for it man, vote dem and tout their genorosity like a dope
 

outliergenetix

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Explain to me how line item veto power would have enabled Trump to both borrow trillions for a tax cut to the wealthy AND cut the deficit?
that is a diversionary statement. if he had line item veto power he would balance the budget regardless of tax code. mainly because it is easy with that power to do, and also because with that power all acountability lies on you. the pressure of that means you will balance it, even clinton did. it's not that clinton and republicans loved each other, it was because giving him line item veto power was like a dare and he called their bluff and we all won for that. the politicians on both sides assured that isn't gonna happen again and the ignorant public is why. listen info is power, and party lines are the ultimate distraction. free yourself of left/right dem/rep and see it for what it is uber rich v everyone else
 

Fogdog

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wait you need to rewind man. you missed what me and the other dude were talking about then. no offense your statement shows a lack of understanding of how the budget works and where responsibility lies for what. so let me explain briefly. congress proposes the budget a president vetos or not. pork barrel spending is why he cannot balance the budget. line item veto power elimintaes pork barrel spending regardless of party thus empowers the president regardless of party the ability to do something super simple for rich ppl and that is balance their ledger. now. congress only can grant this power. only a republican one has and they did so with a democrat as president, aka bill lcinton. he balanced the budget like a child could with this power. bush gets elected congress become democrat, they vote to remove line item veto power, we go into defecit because of cingress pork barrel spending like before and it's remaind that way since because you and the general public are ignorant as to how clinton and a republican congress did the impossible. you're welocme for the history lesson. any rebuttal is mute. congreess proposses the budget to a president he can pass it or not so congress is responsile for the fucking budget. a republican congress gave the president the power to veto the glutonous congress and he did so and balanced the budget. i mena until the dems allow line item veto again the reps won't and thus we are all fucked. but go for it man, vote dem and tout their genorosity like a dope
Too funny that you think Trump -- the first president ever to spend 100 days on vacation in his first year in office, mostly golfing -- has the ability to even know what to line out of the budget. On top of that, too funny that you think Trump would line item veto so called pork that was put in there by his Republican controlled Congress.
 

outliergenetix

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Too funny that you think Trump -- the first president ever to spend 100 days on vacation in his first year in office, mostly golfing -- has the ability to even know what to line out of the budget. On top of that, too funny that you think Trump would line item veto so called pork that was put in there by his Republican controlled Congress.
until his pardon list reads like a whos who of cocain kingpins like clintons he can vacation all he wants. that said it sickens me he pardoned that idiot sherif in nevada or arizona whichever. again tho i am not a trump guy, like i am not hitching my cart to that wagon
 

outliergenetix

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fail

Proof not shown.
wait you need proof? just google clinton's pardon list. it is no secret. are you saying it just so happened all the miscarriages of justices during his administration were cocain trafficking related? if so i would ask for your proof lol
 

Fogdog

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that is a diversionary statement. if he had line item veto power he would balance the budget regardless of tax code. mainly because it is easy with that power to do, and also because with that power all acountability lies on you. the pressure of that means you will balance it, even clinton did. it's not that clinton and republicans loved each other, it was because giving him line item veto power was like a dare and he called their bluff and we all won for that. the politicians on both sides assured that isn't gonna happen again and the ignorant public is why. listen info is power, and party lines are the ultimate distraction. free yourself of left/right dem/rep and see it for what it is uber rich v everyone else
You said if a president had line item veto he could then balance the budget.

This also fails

First because Trump is an idiot who couldn't possibly know what to veto without crippling the government and he spends a third of his time golfing.

Second, because the 2018 budget was entirely written by Republicans. Why would he even need line item veto power, can't he just pick up the phone and talk it over before it comes to his desk? That said, because of the first point, Trump would never do it.
 

Fogdog

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wait you need proof? just google clinton's pardon list. it is no secret. are you saying it just so happened all the miscarriages of justices during his administration were cocain trafficking related? if so i would ask for your proof lol
Show me. You said it, I deny it's true.
 

outliergenetix

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You said if a president had line item veto he could then balance the budget.

This also fails

First because Trump is an idiot who couldn't possibly know what to veto without crippling the government and he spends a third of his time golfing.

Second, because the 2018 budget was entirely written by Republicans. Why would he even need line item veto power, can't he just pick up the phone and talk it over before it comes to his desk? That said, because of the first point, Trump would never do it.
at the very least he would veto all the democrats pork barrell spending out of spite which is more than anyone else outside of clinton and the rep congress of his era
 

outliergenetix

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Show me. You said it, I deny it's true.
okay so then you admit the guy trumpeting the cause of ghetos was in fact their worst enemy ensureing they suffered the 3 strikes and your out consequences of street level crack while not applying these harsh punishments to the white man's version of the drug being trafficked in? because that is what clinton did ya know. he kept trafficking cocain or it's raw variants alone punishment wise while raising prison minimums for inner city "refined" crack cocain. that was awefully democrat of him wasn't it. and mighty white of him to pardon his good ol boys.
 

Fogdog

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okay so then you admit the guy trumpeting the cause of ghetos was in fact their worst enemy ensureing they suffered the 3 strikes and your out consequences of street level crack while not applying these harsh punishments to the white man's version of the drug being trafficked in? because that is what clinton did ya know. he kept trafficking cocain or it's raw variants alone punishment wise while raising prison minimums for inner city "refined" crack cocain. that was awefully democrat of him wasn't it. and mighty white of him to pardon his good ol boys.
fail

proof not shown
 

Sandernista

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until his pardon list reads like a whos who of cocain kingpins like clintons he can vacation all he wants. that said it sickens me he pardoned that idiot sherif in nevada or arizona whichever. again tho i am not a trump guy, like i am not hitching my cart to that wagon
Rollitup created you to drive pageviews.
You can't be real.
 

ttystikk

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Got that bassackwards, man.
Oh? Democratic Senator from Colorado Micheal Bennett voted with Republicans to water down Dodd-Frank. Not by coincidence, he's the recipient of more campaign funding than ANY OTHER SENATOR OR CONGRESSMAN IN WASHINGTON.

So no, I did not get that backwards.

Why do you think I'm no fan of establishment Democrats? Because I watch what they do.
 
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