QB960 (960xlm301b) quantum board from China

EmeraldØsiris

EmeraldØsiris

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Prawn Connery said:
LOL! One guess who the "Canadian customer" is.

Does this 960 LED LM301B board look familiar?

I love how they quote chuckduck claiming how honest they are half-way down the page:

Do a search for "Hansion" on this site and see how "honest" the company is.

I'm sure they will grow plants. Just as I'm sure you'll get what you pay for.
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Fuck yeah bro! I'm a capitalist so I support you! Interested in having those sold to the EU out of Norway? Message me your info

Thanks 4 the info!
 
EmeraldØsiris

EmeraldØsiris

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Viceman666 said:
Dont fall for it.. shipping is as expensive as the item they know you wont return it even if its bad quality or wrong bin or even wrong led in some cases..trade insurace on alibaba? Ive heard mostly bad comment about people trying to use that service.. ive seen thaf seller name comes up a few time so google it and see what people say.. i just think very unlikely that they are lm301b top bin diodes.. still doesnt mean they cant grow good.. just understand trade guidelines in china and rest of the world is very different.. good luck
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I've read up on the forums. A lot of speculation... No proof... People are saying they get their money back with trade assurance.
 
EmeraldØsiris

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18touring said:
I did a bunch of research and from what I found Meijiui was a legit source for top bin supplies. They sent me test reports and pictures of the Samsung sealed products they were using in the 480W LM310b boards. It was more pricey then some other vendors but the quality is surprisingly good!
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I'd like your comment, but I am unable to for some gay reason... Got a link?
 
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when they produce leds, they usually are not all of the same quality, that's the reason why they test them after production and then "bin" them according to the results. you can't distinquish between a top bin and a lower bin just from the look of it. they all look the same yet have a different amount of light output.

so again, my question to you: how can you be sure what the chinese producer sent you?

you can't
 
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Aolelon

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EmeraldØsiris said:
Nah man... These are top bins : LM301B Vf AZ flux Bin SK. They even sell them on their Alibaba site. This dude claims to have produced for HLG and other big players... Not sure, but seems their shop ticks all the right boxes in terms of quality...

What is more interesting, however, is that these boards are 480w each. Does that mean I have to fork out the cash for 2 HLG-480H's? There must be a better and cheaper way?
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If he said they produced for hLG chances are they didnt, please tell me how you are going to distinguish between diode quality without actually having them tested with lab equiptmentment, spending more money. Making the price not worth it?
 
Prawn Connery

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EmeraldØsiris said:
Fuck yeah bro! I'm a capitalist so I support you! Interested in having those sold to the EU out of Norway? Message me your info

Thanks 4 the info!
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That's not me. I posted to show you that the Hansion boards are a rip-off of the BC Blonde boards.

You wanted proof that Hansion rips people off? Here it is: http://www.rollitup.org/t/new-style-samsung-lm561c-board.955201/page-9#post-13958238

This entire thread is 78 pages long, but that is the post where the OP says Hansion admits to him they sold him LM561B instead of LM561C chips. This was after another member on RIU compared macro shots of the LEDs and told the OP they were not LM561C. The Chinese supplier couldn't deny it, because it was true - they were not LM561C.

The poor guy even bought eight of these boards off Hansion, so got ripped off eight times!

Worst thing about it? That bastard company now quotes the same OP saying how honest it is when they ripped him off and admitted it!

So go ahead and buy those 960 boards, and when you do, please take some macro photos of the LEDs and show them to us and someone here will tell you if they are real LM561C chips or not. And even if they are, there is not a chance in hell I would trust that company to sell top bin S6 diodes.

Because this company has a history of ripping people off (there are other examples in the above thread)..

BTW, yes Hansion did produce boards for HLG, but HLG stopped using them. You can make your own assumptions as to why.

But hey, look on the bright side - they'll still grow plants. :roll:
 
EmeraldØsiris

EmeraldØsiris

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I'm not getting the LM561B, B+ or C's. I'm getting LM301B's. I will establish the quote in writing with all the proper guarantees and promise of refund in a formal e-mail. If they still go ahead and ship me BS diodes, I will take it through Alibaba and smear them for it. I believe they also shipped him real ones at a reduced cost after this mistake? How did he find out if they were B's and not C's?
 
Prawn Connery

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Read the link. Do you honestly think Hansion would have admitted the LEDs were B series instead of C series if they hadn't been confronted about it?

As for shipping him the real ones at a reduced cost . . . Er, they shipped him second-rate diodes for the price of premium diodes. Then they offered to sell the real ones at a reduced price. All they did was increase they're profits!

Think about it: they sold twice as many LED boards as they planned to - cheap ones for a high price, and not-so-cheap ones for a reduced price. It is the same as selling cheap ones for a reduced price and not-so-cheap ones for the correct price - they doubled their sales!

Don't be sucked in by that bullshit. Of course, you can be sucked in by that bullshit if you want to be. After all, poor old chuckduck ended up spending more money with Hansion than he planned to. Hansion ended up making even more money out of him even after they tried to rip him off! They sold twice as many boards (and they certainly didn't lose money on them).

Sounds to me like you're trying to convince yourself to buy, so buy! If you get ripped off, do you think Hansion cares about being "smeared"? Everyone here already knows they're scammers . . . but there will always be suckers.
 
EmeraldØsiris

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TBH... It sounds like you've never been royally fucked over before. Besides you don't know the real story behind this. I'm not trying to convince myself, but your hypothesis is kinda weaksauce... I think most of R2T, Meijiu, and Hansion are getting the picture and this is probably a thing of the past. It would be stupid not to ship the real deal in this high demand market. Besides, there was clearly som behind the scenes drama going on here and it's obvious egos were hurt in the process. But honestly, with many people raving about these panels spite the scepticism about diode integrity, I have not yet seen a side by side grow of the same strain between a Chinese vs US/Canuck board. In essence it's the same machining process, use of materials and probably diodes. It's a good smear to write off Chinese as garbage and fake... But look at our solar industry (example) and you'll see it doesn't really matter. On a principle level, I am all about supporting Western made goods over Chinese government subsidized goods. But is the same as shipping at Walmart... There is no premium or 'better' about boards made in America (and do you really think half the shit they claim to be american really is???) Seriously, no matter how good the engineers, the diode QB can't be a Ferrari vs a VW... And for copying: really? It's diodes on a board...
 
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EmeraldØsiris said:
I'm not getting the LM561B, B+ or C's. I'm getting LM301B's. I will establish the quote in writing with all the proper guarantees and promise of refund in a formal e-mail. If they still go ahead and ship me BS diodes, I will take it through Alibaba and smear them for it. I believe they also shipped him real ones at a reduced cost after this mistake? How did he find out if they were B's and not C's?
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Because if they scammed people by selling lm561b for lm561c s6.. then what else do they lie about.. you buy lm301b and they may ship you cheap chinese led.. you will only find out after testing them because they will be looking exactly the same.. and as a I said.. alibaba is a chinese platform and by no mean do they care about international buyer.. alibaba is also not aimed at consumer (ali express is) it aims at retail so they couldnt care less about what individual order for themself.. just think that mars hydro is still selling a shit ton of their blurple light been called on them over and over with their false claim that 1000w mars hydro does match a 1000w hps while using 50% less power.. all real bullshit they are still in business today and selling a tons of their light to uneducated consumers..

My advice to you is you know they are scammer while you can take a chance with another seller who could be one as well but there is a chance they are not.. few people bought from meiju including myself and are satisfied but maybe they shipped me good units hoping I order more than send me the fake one.. who knows but your money your problem ;) hope you keep us updated whatever you decide
 
EmeraldØsiris

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Viceman666 said:
Because if they scammed people by selling lm561b for lm561c s6.. then what else do they lie about.. you buy lm301b and they may ship you cheap chinese led.. you will only find out after testing them because they will be looking exactly the same.. and as a I said.. alibaba is a chinese platform and by no mean do they care about international buyer.. alibaba is also not aimed at consumer (ali express is) it aims at retail so they couldnt care less about what individual order for themself.. just think that mars hydro is still selling a shit ton of their blurple light been called on them over and over with their false claim that 1000w mars hydro does match a 1000w hps while using 50% less power.. all real bullshit they are still in business today and selling a tons of their light to uneducated consumers..

My advice to you is you know they are scammer while you can take a chance with another seller who could be one as well but there is a chance they are not.. few people bought from meiju including myself and are satisfied but maybe they shipped me good units hoping I order more than send me the fake one.. who knows but your money your problem ;) hope you keep us updated whatever you decide
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Wait... You wrote all that and then tell me you have Meijiu panels that were genuine diodes? Something doesn't sound right... I think you work for Meijiu. At any rate... can you verify that Alibaba trade assurance is a farce? I mean if you agree in writing, before the panels are shipped that they are to be top bin, and they aren't, how won't they be forced to take the panels back and either refund your money or send you what you ordered? I hear what you are saying, but there are a lot of people who have ordered these panels and don't have any problems and their diodes are top bin. As for Mars, I use to own a 1200 and I bought it knowing it wasn't 1200 from the wall. I can't remember what it was. It did great, but I would have preferred a 600w HPS. We're past the epistar days. Did you know Samsung produces their diodes in China? I'm going to take the chance of getting jacked, but if I'm right you will owe me an apology and receive 10 lashes from my bullwhip.
 
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EmeraldØsiris said:
Wait... You wrote all that and then tell me you have Meijiu panels that were genuine diodes? Something doesn't sound right... I think you work for Meijiu. At any rate... can you verify that Alibaba trade assurance is a farce? I mean if you agree in writing, before the panels are shipped that they are to be top bin, and they aren't, how won't they be forced to take the panels back and either refund your money or send you what you ordered? I hear what you are saying, but there are a lot of people who have ordered these panels and don't have any problems and their diodes are top bin. As for Mars, I use to own a 1200 and I bought it knowing it wasn't 1200 from the wall. I can't remember what it was. It did great, but I would have preferred a 600w HPS. We're past the epistar days. Did you know Samsung produces their diodes in China? I'm going to take the chance of getting jacked, but if I'm right you will owe me an apology and receive 10 lashes from my bullwhip.
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Haha I agree with you on a lot of it diodes cost is at most 20% of the total cost of the board.. so most would think there is not reason for china to not use good diodes.. but yeah sadly many dont.. even if they give you back yor money on the product they wont refund shipping and given its 50% of your cost or close to in most cases whats the point? Just reorder and let it slide.. thats the sad truth.. but either way I love my boards.. yea you buy peace of mind when you buy real hlg product but price wise china is definitively ahead and quality for the price is there as well imo imagine you dont get top bin.. 15-20% less efficient at most but 50% cheaper is still worth imo.. im not trying to discourage you from buying china light.. im totally for it but try to use sellers who have better track record than other is all I was trying to say..
 
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