DWC PPM Confusion Again .. ( Nirvana NL )

WildWoodFlower

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Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone has grown Nirvana's Northern Light (Reg) before in DWC ? . I am on my 4th DWC grow and am still experiencing issues with what is claimed to be one of the easiest strains in existence to grown indoors. If that's the case then I have no clue what so ever what I am doing wrong here. On my first run with this strain I had posted here with issues back then with nute burn and the plant adsorbing too much salts, damn thing was dehydrating itself and leaves turning yellow and clawing up to a brittle state. The thing that got me was I never went higher the 500ppm the entire grow. I ended up milking through that harvest by flushing her like crazy before harvest. I ended up with over 6 ounces but it ruined it with overfeeding and salt build up and even with a long ass cure it still burnt very bad would not stay light , crackled , etc .. no smell, bad taste , did have a nice buzz but if I could have got things straight could have been nice.

After that I ran the strain Holy Grail 69 and it went very smoothly , hardly any issues what so ever other than a slight N tox that I dealt with quickly. It came out great! Then another strain " Berry White " I believe is what it was called and again very smooth run all went as normal, both these yielded around 5 - 7 ounces each. Now here I am on run #4 and back to Nirvana NL for a second go at it since I was very impressed with the yield even though I destroyed that damn thing , it still put off ALLOT for a single plant. So all was smooth at first then several weeks in I started to notice the leaves starting to claw down a bit and start curling under and getting real skinny and thin from this curling before then turning yellow and dying. I noticed that the leaves were also getting very dark green so I thought again from last experience with this strain I am feeding her to much again but no tips turning brown like before just seemed like a N tox issue this time. The thing is this was approx 8-10 weeks into the grow from seedling and my ppm level was under 150ppm when it stared acting like it was being overfeed which is stumping me to no end. I grown in a single 6 gallon DWC bucket with a 10" net pot and a 6 Inch flat air disc / stone with a commercial pump with expandable clay pebbles. I assume all is good there.

During veg I start with CFL's that I finish most of veg with at around 368 watts. During finial weeks of veg I move to a Mars Hydro 600 LED ( 280 real watts ) . Once I move into flower a wall bank of floro side lighting is added with approx 180 watt from side lighting and by mid flower I also turn on 2 more Mars Hydro LED 300's ( approx 270 real watts total ) that takes me to around a little over 700 watt of lighting. The room is well vented with exhaust and temps are kept around 74 - 78 degrees and 60-70 % RH. It seemed to be dialed in pretty good for the other stains. I only grow one plant per run and do an extended veg to get her as big as I can before I go to 12/12 , then Scrog it when starting the bloom phase. Once this problem started I already had her in the Scrog and had to remove it from there which was a total PIA just to inspect the roots as it seemed as if perhaps this was a root issue. But roots are nice and cream color, healthy and huge , no signs of root rot, etc. So if no root issues how in the hell can this plant as old is it is burn @ under 200ppm of nutes ? With all its getting from environment I would assume they would be eating at very least 500-600ppm by now , but I am certain if I feed anything more than 150ppm right now they would fry. Same as the last NL run ..extremely low nutes for some reason they seem to like is what I am getting , at this rate I do not think I will even get near 400ppm for flower even without seeing issues and signs of nute tox. I am starting to wonder is this normal for this strain to actual prefer that little of nutes or is something bigger going on here that I am not seeing ? I was going to start flower a week ago but have held off and am still vegging till I can get this problem under control before switching. Any help is much appreciated guys n gals, thank you in advance.
(BTW. I run Dyna Gro .. Grow, Bloom, Pro-Tekt, Mag-Pro )

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WildWoodFlower

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Not the best pic in the world, camera does not take close ups well ..But this shows a little better what is happening with most of the older leaves , also seems to be happening to newer ones as well after they grow a bit , I cut ppm down to under 100 right now to see if I notice any improvement on newer growth.
 

Kipn

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not one mention of ph in all that probably having some bug ph swings
i have plants 6 inches in 550ppm with no tip burn
150ppm is like tap water are they even getting food atm are you using ro water and adding calmag to get over 150ppm i dont but just wondering if thats what you are doing
 

WildWoodFlower

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What is your PH?

How are you measuring the PPM?

Have to checked the calibration on the meter?
Sorry mind is a million places with this I forgot to mention PH , I have been keeping it around 5.8 - 6.0 using a hand held cheap ph monitor and I also double check it with the ph kit that has the drops and changes colors , it has drifted up and down , one day was as low as 4.8 and highest i have seen it was around 6.7 but I check ph mostly on a day to day basis at the least once every 2 days. there was a small issue with fungus gnats month or so back but that seemed to clear up I have only seen maybe 3 stuck to the yellow card.
 

WildWoodFlower

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not one mention of ph in all that probably having some bug ph swings
i have plants 6 inches in 550ppm with no tip burn
150ppm is like tap water are they even getting food atm are you using ro water and adding calmag to get over 150ppm i dont but just wondering if thats what you are doing
I start with around 3.5 to 4 gallons distilled water in the 6 gallon bucket reading a ppm of 0 to 3 ppm ..I then add the pro-tekt at approx 1 ml to get around (20-30 ) ppm of silica , after that dissolves I add in the grow at 1/3 the recommended does on the bottle right around 5 - 6 ml which brings the ppm then up to around 110 -120 ppm then I add approx 2.5 ml of the Mag-Pro and then adjust PH, That is how I am currently feeding , before this I was a bit higher taking the ppm to around 180 - 200 when I started to notice the issue appear. Water temp in res I try to keep around 66-69 ... There has been some hot days causing my water temp to raise to around 76 - 78 I noticed before I set in Scrog .. So def could be related to swings in water temp I would assume since I could not check that often once it was in the screen. Any suggestions on what to do from here to get her back in health for flowering out?
 

WildWoodFlower

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I without a doubt am thinking that dose of nutes under 200 ..even under 100 ppm right now is extremely low , but I am worried that if I attempt to take it high again it will get worse ... sure looks like it a N tox or too many nutes, but that may not be the case at all , wow Im stumped lol
 

Major Blazer

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I feel like you answered your own question...pH starting in the mid/high 5's, down to 4.8, up to 6.7 - that's a lot of swing and playing the pH up and down war in your reservoir is never good. Temps in the reservoir fluctuating 10 degrees is also shit for your plants. The leaves look like the plant was N rich at some point and possibly zink deficient now. I'm thinking some stability in the root zone is all that's needed. Just a guess, good luck.
 

Kipn

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I start with around 3.5 to 4 gallons distilled water in the 6 gallon bucket reading a ppm of 0 to 3 ppm ..I then add the pro-tekt at approx 1 ml to get around (20-30 ) ppm of silica , after that dissolves I add in the grow at 1/3 the recommended does on the bottle right around 5 - 6 ml which brings the ppm then up to around 110 -120 ppm then I add approx 2.5 ml of the Mag-Pro and then adjust PH, That is how I am currently feeding , before this I was a bit higher taking the ppm to around 180 - 200 when I started to notice the issue appear. Water temp in res I try to keep around 66-69 ... There has been some hot days causing my water temp to raise to around 76 - 78 I noticed before I set in Scrog .. So def could be related to swings in water temp I would assume since I could not check that often once it was in the screen. Any suggestions on what to do from here to get her back in health for flowering out?
someone more intelligent will need to answer haha but i feel like using distilled water with out adding cal-mag to it in the beginning is a mistake as it acts like a buffer for the water. you need to get that ph in range although apparently abit of ph drift is a good thing just readjust ever few days
 

WildWoodFlower

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Thanks a million everyone for the input, I am going to keep a close eye on the res for the next week and try to keep it in range as close as I can. Kipn I surly am going to give adding the Mag-Pro to the water first before I add anything else a try and see if that helps stabilize my Ph a bit. I will let ya all know how the recover comes along , Thanks again
 

rkymtnman

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change your nutes. use dyan gro foliage pro instead. ditch the mag pro. way too much P. pick up a bottle of GH calimagic instead if you need cal/mg
 

WildWoodFlower

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She has been in veg for approx 92 days at this point ( as I mentioned I try to monster grow a single plant per run ) so I gave plenty of extra veg time , so looks like I am even going to be adding a bit more veg time this round till I get this straightened back out. I definitely don't want to initiate the switch to bloom until we are back on the right path and she gains a few more " healthy leaves " .. I guess I let her go this long a little more time aint gonna kill me lol
 

Kipn

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Thanks a million everyone for the input, I am going to keep a close eye on the res for the next week and try to keep it in range as close as I can. Kipn I surly am going to give adding the Mag-Pro to the water first before I add anything else a try and see if that helps stabilize my Ph a bit. I will let ya all know how the recover comes along , Thanks again
i use general hydroponics cal mag i don't use distilled water though
 

WildWoodFlower

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change your nutes. use dyan gro foliage pro instead. ditch the mag pro. way too much P. pick up a bottle of GH calimagic instead if you need cal/mg
Great suggestion. I was just reading that the Mag-Pro does not contain Cal because Dyna-Gro says there is plenty of Cal already in the grow. I may head up the Hydro Shop today and grab a bottle of Cal-Mag :wink:
 

rkymtnman

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Great suggestion. I was just reading that the Mag-Pro does not contain Cal because Dyna-Gro says there is plenty of Cal already in the grow. I may head up the Hydro Shop today and grab a bottle of Cal-Mag :wink:
too much P and you will lockout N. i used to use foliage pro. you will need a cal/mg product with distilled or RO water. the protekt is fine. i used that too.
 

WildWoodFlower

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It may be nothing but it also seems this run , all the leaves are allot smaller than all my other grows. Usually I got nice hand size fan leaves or bigger on this plant the biggest fans can fit in the palm of my hand they seem very small compared to plants I have grown previously. Could that be a sign pointing to anything anyone know ? Im thinking maybe a bit of all that was mentioned is going on like a snowball effect, started with one thing that led to another which caused even another. Seems like allot going on with her and it looks like it could be different things... Def will be keeping a close eye on her for the next few and try a few of these things n see if she can pull out of this. I really appreciate the feedback guys, you all got me some places to aim now (:
 

LordRalh3

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Doesnt sound right to me. Are you measuring your res or the nutes your putting in. Kinda sounds like the plants are drinking water and your adding water and nutes.

You should look up the super simple one part feeds and start simplifying everything
 

Hot Diggity Sog

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I start with around 3.5 to 4 gallons distilled water in the 6 gallon bucket reading a ppm of 0 to 3 ppm ..I then add the pro-tekt at approx 1 ml to get around (20-30 ) ppm of silica , after that dissolves I add in the grow at 1/3 the recommended does on the bottle right around 5 - 6 ml which brings the ppm then up to around 110 -120 ppm then I add approx 2.5 ml of the Mag-Pro and then adjust PH, That is how I am currently feeding , before this I was a bit higher taking the ppm to around 180 - 200 when I started to notice the issue appear. Water temp in res I try to keep around 66-69 ... There has been some hot days causing my water temp to raise to around 76 - 78 I noticed before I set in Scrog .. So def could be related to swings in water temp I would assume since I could not check that often once it was in the screen. Any suggestions on what to do from here to get her back in health for flowering out?
Distilled water - there it is. Do NOT use distilled water. RO water or tap/well water only.
 
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