Is there anything currently better then amare?

CobKits

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ttystikk said:
I'm gonna run 3 of my 225W 4xCXB3590 modules over my 4x6' trellis panel. Four is borderline too much.
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4 cxbs making 225W is right in line with 3 1825 making 225W so our experiences definitely jive

these damn cobs hit so hard that im having to move from classic ebb and flow to DWC to try to keep up with the nute requirements. its to the point that i have to run ebb and flow so hot that it can burn, i need to feed constantly and more often
 
Hybridway

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Yodaweed said:
You can light up a 5x5 with a 1000w hps, sounds like you don't know how to use your lights well. 14 oz for a 600w hps is a poor run. I commonly get 18oz+ per 600w hps running lower yielding strains and definitely have room for improvement and i run no till organics which is not known for its yield. I know several people getting 14-20oz per run using a single 315 CMH as well.
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Lol! I said averages. Off topic anyways.
Danielson999 said:
Did a search for Amare led. The fifth link in the search was to a grow journal of an Amare SE450. You can see it HERE.


The guy started off thinking he had an amazing light, especially considering how expensive it was and the expectations he had for all that money spent.

By the end of his journal he compared it directly with a Mars 1200 he also had. The yields were very similar but he was very unimpressed with the quality of the the Amare grown buds. They were larfy and not very big. His Amare cost $700 more than the Mars and he got almost identical yields. His results are on page 11, post #152.

Here are a few quotes from his journal.
"Appearance and smoke wise, I think I enjoyed my Mars grown buds better."
"I think to flower a 4x4 denser I would need to hang my Amare as close as the Mars was; at 18-20 inches, and accept a smaller footprint."
"So I feel a little misled, like Amare has focused too much on the center umol number to say it's intense enough to cover a 4x4."
"To summarize, the Amare SE450 pros are more efficient power use, fuller spectrum, I believe slightly faster growth and slightly more frosting. Cons are that it's hella expensive and over-rated for a 4x4 so I still need to spend more $$ on more lighting. I'm having a hard time re-justifying the expense when I could buy two Mars 1200's for less and yield twice as much for just $25 extra on the electric bill per month."

I'm not saying the Amare is no better than a Mars. I'm just saying, don't listen to all the bullshit about how supplemental reds and blues and IR/UV turn a light into some kind of superlight. 95% of your yield and quality will come from your growing skills. As long as you're getting the recommended amount of PPFD on your canopy you will be golden. This is why I would recommend a cheaper light than the Amare. Any of the Johnson, NGL, Timber etc are great lights and if you contact the owners of those light systems they will advise you what light they make will suit your space the best. Good luck with whichever you choose.
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Instead of searching for the one negative report you can find on Amare. If .94 is the worst you can find is say you're better off trying to find results from a PLC, Johnson, NGL, Blondes, Tasty, ect.... To post.
If you think he should buy a all cob only fixture, why don't you link him to some results from a pre-built panel?
Surely there's got to be some right here on RIU?
He already knows his existing light is good & is happy w/ it. I highly doubt 1 Noobs experience is gonna change that.
 
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ttystikk

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CobKits said:
now that they are $35 thats kinda like an upgrade ;)
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I can get 3000K 90CRI chips in place of the old, sucky 3500K 80CRI junk, lol

Do they have better than CD BIN out yet?

My blocks are already drilled for CXB3590 and the holders, etc are all fine. Kinda kills the buzz for trying gen 7 Vero if I have to drill more holes- blind into a water block, lol @bicit did good work, I see no reason to fuck with it.
 
ttystikk

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CobKits said:
4 cxbs making 225W is right in line with 3 1825 making 225W so our experiences definitely jive

these damn cobs hit so hard that im having to move from classic ebb and flow to DWC to try to keep up with the nute requirements. its to the point that i have to run ebb and flow so hot that it can burn, i need to feed constantly and more often
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It's a good problem to have. Beats the fuck out of growing in overheated darkness.
 
Danielson999

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Hybridway said:
Instead of searching for the one negative report you can find on Amare. If .94 is the worst you can find is say you're better off trying to find results from a PLC, Johnson, NGL, Blondes, Tasty, ect.... To post.
If you think he should buy a all cob only fixture, why don't you link him to some results from a pre-built panel?
Surely there's got to be some right here on RIU?
He already knows his existing light is good & is happy w/ it. I highly doubt 1 Noobs experience is gonna change that.
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I didn't link that to try and scare the OP away from Amare. I wasn't actually searching for a negative report or even a grow journal for that matter. I was looking for info on the Pro 4. It wasn't my intention to make Amare look bad or even look more average than you make them out to be. I was merely pointing out that real users are not all growing guru's like you. Your growing skills make Amare look better than they really are and that's a compliment. I was trying to show the OP that it really has alot less to do with these lights than many make it out to be. If he has the right ppfd and a decent spectrum (like cobs or your Amare) then you are 95% of the way there. It would be nice to have a big budget for equipment like you do but most hobby growers don't.

Amare just isn't practical for most people and here's why: they don't provide anything for your plants that cobs don't have to the point it makes a noticeable different to most people. Case in point is the grower in that article. He grew better buds with his Mars 1200. Sure he wasn't experienced but even some experienced growers suck at it. Spending that kind of money on a light is just a waste in my opinion. People don't need a 5 year warranty on LED technology that's incredibly reliable and also incredibly susceptible to becoming obsolete. In 5 years from now why would you grow with your Amare when you could sell it and buy the new technology of the day that's 250 lumens a watt and contains an unbeatable spectrum?

I shared that article to show how average Amare lights really are compared to the other high end LED systems being sold. If somebody just read your posts about them it would lead them to believe they are the next greatest invention since the internet...but in reality they do the same thing that any good cob light does + or - a percentage or two. If the OP wants another Amare so be it, he'll have a nice light. Maybe a cob system would be great too, he could see the side by side differences, or lack thereof.

There's no point linking to grow journals, you've seen them and so have I. DIY or pre-built, they all use the same cobs and will get very similar results. I'm actually excited to see how the Quantum Boards do. Sounds like a scroggers wet dream.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Danielson999 said:
I didn't link that to try and scare the OP away from Amare. I wasn't actually searching for a negative report or even a grow journal for that matter. I was looking for info on the Pro 4. It wasn't my intention to make Amare look bad or even look more average than you make them out to be. I was merely pointing out that real users are not all growing guru's like you. Your growing skills make Amare look better than they really are and that's a compliment. I was trying to show the OP that it really has alot less to do with these lights than many make it out to be. If he has the right ppfd and a decent spectrum (like cobs or your Amare) then you are 95% of the way there. It would be nice to have a big budget for equipment like you do but most hobby growers don't.

Amare just isn't practical for most people and here's why: they don't provide anything for your plants that cobs don't have to the point it makes a noticeable different to most people. Case in point is the grower in that article. He grew better buds with his Mars 1200. Sure he wasn't experienced but even some experienced growers suck at it. Spending that kind of money on a light is just a waste in my opinion. People don't need a 5 year warranty on LED technology that's incredibly reliable and also incredibly susceptible to becoming obsolete. In 5 years from now why would you grow with your Amare when you could sell it and buy the new technology of the day that's 250 lumens a watt and contains an unbeatable spectrum?

I shared that article to show how average Amare lights really are compared to the other high end LED systems being sold. If somebody just read your posts about them it would lead them to believe they are the next greatest invention since the internet...but in reality they do the same thing that any good cob light does + or - a percentage or two. If the OP wants another Amare so be it, he'll have a nice light. Maybe a cob system would be great too, he could see the side by side differences, or lack thereof.

There's no point linking to grow journals, you've seen them and so have I. DIY or pre-built, they all use the same cobs and will get very similar results. I'm actually excited to see how the Quantum Boards do. Sounds like a scroggers wet dream.
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Regarding the quantum boards, I'll have some in my greasy lil mitts soon enough. THEN we'll see what's up!
 
Growdict

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8 people have told you Cob leds are the best investment. 600w for less than the 450w amare. 1 guy says Amare is best. But hey your choice dude.
 
Stephenj37826

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Hybridway said:
Yeah, but whatever. I won't mention it again. Just feel like you've been acting up on me since I shared the documentation on the Efficiency thread. Making challenges n such. That was annoying when I was only sharing data.
Niether of us ever had anything negative to say before that from & we both appreciated each other's posts when useful.
I'll stay clear though n I'd appreciate the same courtesy.
You're deffinetly allot better to deal w/ then some poeple & are trying to improve your lights. So, props there.
Water under the bridge.
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Sure and all I ever wanted was to make you aware that what you where trying to tell people was misinformation and it's not anything about a company. Showing a spot reading under the center of a lamp doesn't prove its X% better than any other lamp. I was just honestly trying to show you the errors in your interpretation of the data set you where being sent that was taken by a a lighting passport. There are several versions of it. The newest one is a high lux version that can read above 50000 Lux accurately. This is the reading I got from the Sun at 11:00 A.M. in East TN in November. If you would've calmed down and paid attention (to someone who honestly had no bad intentions just trying help educate ) you would've quickly saw the error in what you thought was the PPFD of the light in a specific area was in fact a spot reading and we would've both not had a problem. What I suggest is try not to be so know it all when someone in fact does know more than you on a particular topic (the lighting passport) . Just be more open minded and willing to at least fact check someones claim before going into self destruct/defense mode because everyone here isn't against your chosen brand of lights. Have you ever saw me say a thing negativity about Amare or any other company that's legit before honestly????? Out of all the hate GG had against me at one point there was never a time I trashed his company. I won't trash Amare either as both are good lights nothing wrong with them at all. What you will find is me trashing things like KIND LED and Advanced who try to deceive people and never divulge what leds they use and other such pertinent information and try to suck people in with plants don't use Green bullshit. I mean the blurple bullshit was so wide spread I had to teach an engineer that I highly respect in the lighting design industry that it wasn't the case. Anyhow glad that's over and we can move along and continue doing what we are here for(helping others).
 

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ttystikk

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Danielson999 said:
Hopefully you're going to do a grow journal or at least a thread about the build and first impressions.
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So there's a great teaser to any good flick, right? Here's mine:

@Stephenj37826 himself is building these boards, according to a design we've mutually collaborated on.

Is that good enough for ya?

Okay, I promise I'll start a thread.

Bring diapers. Pants will be shit.
 
Stephenj37826

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ttystikk said:
So there's a great teaser to any good flick, right? Here's mine:

@Stephenj37826 himself is building these boards, according to a design we've mutually collaborated on.

Is that good enough for ya?

Okay, I promise I'll start a thread.

Bring diapers. Pants will be shit.
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The design is honestly revolutionary. I personally can't wait to see these in action.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Stephenj37826 said:
The design is honestly revolutionary. I personally can't wait to see these in action.
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Here's the truth about innovation, and if Edison himself were sitting here right now, he'd nod his head in agreement;

Even if nine out of ten tries are a failure, if success is worthy, it won't matter. Most ideas turn out to be blind alleys, but that just means that finding something truly innovative is all the sweeter.
 
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