Who tempted Eve? Satan or the serpent?Why did God punish the serpent?

reasonevangelist

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The reason i like the Jesus character, is because, according to how he has been described, he seemed to have tapped into a realm of "truth," a way of "seeing," a more holistic view and understanding of the world... as if it became automatic for him to be able to understand and reason, without all the complications of excess details and politics. I think the stories show that he tried to teach people the foundations of a fundamental way of viewing the world, that would be much better for everyone, and not just those in power. I also think his message was intentionally skewed, bastardized, and used to represent something he had no intention of representing... even quite contrary to his original intent. The stories were written and disseminated after his... disappearance (i say "disappearance," because no one seems to be sure whether or how he died, and many seem to believe he bypassed actual death and literally "ascended" ... but at some point, he was no longer present, and did not return, after which, people with personal agendas told his stories... and we all know men are corruptible and fallible).

I'm still an agnostic (skeptical) atheist (lack of belief) who thinks that no organized religion should insist things that aren't true (anti-theist).

However, the concept of self-knowledge (gnosticism?) and the metaphysical and/or spiritual endeavors, still seem somehow important, and i don't deny the possibility that "some type of god," some inconceivably vast and complex truth, some "higher power" could in fact exist... but there is no real evidence of such a thing in our observable environment, so i find it quite ludicrous to insist that there is.

Many "atheists" will aggressively insist that it's impossible for any type of god to exist... but i just think they're being closed-minded.

I think it's accurate to say that none of the holy books have come even remotely close to an acceptable description of what "god" could actually be, and that all the resulting dogma and doctrine is just a bunch of stuff a bunch of men with agendas concocted with the intent to control populations. But it's obvious that they used ancient and previously existing mythology to build their own versions of neo-mythology.

I will also grant that it does indeed appear that "evil men" are using various types of "mind-control" and consolidated wealth and power, to control as many people as they can... and many seem to leap right into those control schemes, quite willingly, resulting in what has been defined as "memetic parasitism," in which when a parasitic "idea" "infects" a new host, it defends itself by causing that host to reject anything that would contradict the false reality enabled by that parasitic meme.
 

reasonevangelist

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Your responses leave me in shame over mankind. A small growth sometimes appears in right whales and sperm whales and is typically a inch and you start to deny GOD.
When you make statements like this, it undermines your own credibility, because it makes no sense.

What the hell does a growth on a whale have to do with ANYTHING?

Mutations and cellular malfunctions are just part of nature. You should watch a Vsauce video called "why don't we all get cancer?"
 

reasonevangelist

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And this giant form of evolution suddenly stops LOL.
what are you talking about? Evolution hasn't stopped. Just because people aren't shapeshifting before your very eyes, that doesn't mean evolution isn't happening... that's not even what evolution is!

Go read the wiki like i said! "introduction to evolution." Go read it.
 

ghostdriver

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The Son of GOD wasn't conceived by a father or mother he was born a virgin and was with GOD before creation. GOD made creation through HIS Son



They said have developed equations to suggest rip apart molecules and make what they call a vacuum not nothing. LOL
At the heart of this work is the idea that a vacuum is not exactly nothing.

"It is better to say, following theoretical physicist Paul Dirac, that a vacuum, or nothing, is the combination of matter and antimatter -- particles and antiparticles.Their density is tremendous, but we cannot perceive any of them because their observable effects entirely cancel each other out," Sokolov said.


"The basic question what is a vacuum, and what is nothing, goes beyond science," he said. "It's embedded deeply in the base not only of theoretical physics, but of our philosophical perception of everything -- of reality, of life, even the religious question of could the world have come from nothing."


What your religion darwinism calls logic and reason for believing the impossible
1. Animals are built a certain way based on there function - LOL truth yet this screams creation not darwinism bacteria people.
2. Living matter is somewhat similar on a molecular level. -Doesn't suggest darwins theory LOL but yes organic material is somewhat similar when compared to sand, metal, water, oxygen.
3. In certain whales sometimes abnormal bone growth has been found on their pelvic bone which is a average a inch. On a eighty foot whale. And all animals and people can have abnormal growth where numerous complex bones grow. Like I had with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sever's_disease or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoliosis- So this is true
You then just assume? The rest of your theory on what? LOL
From those three things you leaned that man and all living things started as the same organism? And that THE HOLY BIBLE isn't true?
WHAT! lets re-read darwins "facts" lol facts that don't suggest his theory in anyway. ^^^
Lets go over the Right whales and Sperm Whales bones again.

Your responses leave me in shame over mankind. A small growth sometimes appears in right whales and sperm whales and is typically a inch and you start to deny GOD.
Everhard Johannes Slijper (1907–1968) was professor of general zoology at Amsterdam University, Netherlands. He was the world’s leading authority on whales. Chapter 2 of his classic work is entitled ‘Evolution and External Appearance.’ In it, he talks about a bone in whales that he calls the ‘pelvic bone,’ which is some 30 centimetres (12 inches) long, ‘but unlike the pelvis of normal mammals it is not attached to the vertebral column.’ This bone serves as an anchorage for the male reproductive organs. Slijper goes on to say that sometimes ‘another small bone may be attached to it.’ Being an evolutionist, he naturally interprets this smaller piece of bone as a throw-back to the femur, or thigh bone, of the whale’s evolutionary ancestor. However, he states that in these occasional cases, the bone in question is generally 2.5 cm (just over an inch) in length, and that it is sometimes ‘fused’ with the pelvic bone.
Note how to this point he has not mentioned anything about a ‘leg’ protruding from a whale’s side. The evidence so far fits just as easily with the idea that some whales (who normally have functional bones in their pelvic region, as he admits) can be born with abnormal bits of bone. There is a complex DNA program which causes the development of the normal bone in this part of the whale’s anatomy. A mutational defect in this program could easily cause one or more extra pieces of bone to form, which would almost inevitably be in the same region, either separate from or fused with the normal bone. In the same way, people can be born with extra fingers, ribs, nipples, etc. If this should extend to two extra pieces of bone, no matter how misshapen or otherwise these were, enthusiastic evolutionists would no doubt interpret one additional piece of bone as a ‘femur,’ and any second one would be labeled a ‘tibia’ (shin bone). Sure enough, Slijper refers to an occasional third bony structure attached to what he has already called a ‘femur’ and labels it as a ‘tibia.’ It occurs in some Right whales and occasionally in some Sperm whales.

Lets talk about some of the impossible things you claim happen because of those three things you observed in the world.
Like my marijuana, you think this seed came from a germ. And it can appear from nothing. And it happens over time.
And Light and water and man and women who physical design is completely exposed to the elements and if we were to attempt to live like "animals" we would die, from too much sun exposure or frostbite and hypothermia. But you claim that we are all one super organism and mankind just decided to do what?Mankind is completely different WOW mankind must of been thinking some happy thoughts? Do thoughts change species form one to another? You are claiming that, Claiming that and then that "law" suddenly changed.
And elephants decided to want to be big? How? Did the "think real big?
This is painful that people believe this blaspheme trash. I think the only reason is because their pride of "i'm perfect and do nothing wrong" contradicts with the truth so they just choose not to involve themselves with the truth, the unavoidable, unstoppable, impending truth.
And light and water and man and women the sun and moon, clouds... and you think these germs can do all these things and leave no evidence and just stop coming from nothing and you don't question how they could do this? Or where they came from? Or why you are physically made the way you are?
And that these germs that have always been here somehow seem to have stopped transforming into things now? And appearing from nothing? Because in reality things don't appear from nothing randomly unless it's made. Things don't switch species when becoming extinct. They just die, and people can't run into the water (us you claiming be the germs) and start to slowly grow gills over generations and become mermaids and be fish people and build Atlantis and have sharks as pets. Shark's, butterflies, scorpions you think came from this same (super organism) that became billions of species and animals based upon what they chose to do while alive. What did the butterfly do to became what it is? What about the shark? What if I want my family to start becoming butterfly people for millions of years later in generation? Best advice?
Or maybe becoming a water melon or marijuana since they are are relative in your religion, you guys got a lot of half melon people in your darwin following?
This is reality not something George Lucas or Steven Spielberg wrote.

Real questions for you^

"You think because GOD ALMIGHTY is the beginning and the end, you can state that the universe can be the same because it's following the same principal? That's completely erroneous.
GOD made the Laws of Physics and is not bound by them.
Before the beginning GOD was.
Matter lacks the ability to create something from nothing, and is bond by the Laws of Physics.



Ceepea : "No, matter has always existed in some form or another. We have no reason to believe matter can be created or destroyed. "

Me:- If matter is here it got created do you have proof that something is able to come from nothing? EXACTLY



Feel free to print off anything and show people the ignorance of this occult religion with impossible statements they claim.

Although many won't care like I said, they have only chosen this religion because this religion promotes homosexuality and sexual perversion.


Below 23 minute and 16 seconds shows Nephilim Skulls...

Watch this..
this
Watch 53:50 to see Moon Base 1:27 Ancient Human before the Flood on the Moon They brought her onboard after walking around in the base you can see the face technology from 1:07He explains because of Cold and because Humans lived thousands of years is why she has skin still, you can see her skin decompose differently of course it would naturally be different because of the massive amount of germs that aren't on the moon to break down the substance of the body.
Below 23 minute and 16 seconds shows Nephilim Skulls... Just watch it... Be shocked be in awe. Bacteria is not slowly growing into Humans I will show you what Bill gates and all of these cult leaders have said next post.


I want answers go ask your illuminati cult leaders....^^^ ANSWERS!

Go ask William Gates or another one of those Agenda 21 cult leaders...who kill and fool people that are blind, "we must all die to save the world from dying" LOL
- This is who atheist make their GOD, the man who kills them and brags about it, and if he could have "one wish" it would be for you to die.
 

reasonevangelist

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And for the record, i'm not disagreeing with you about "agenda 21." I just disagree with your irrational correlation with it meaning "god" in any way whatsoever.
 

reasonevangelist

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I want answers go ask your illuminati cult leaders....^^^ ANSWERS!

Go ask William Gates Those Agenda 21 people is who kill and fool people that are blind, "we must all die to save the world from dying" LOL
- This is who atheist make their GOD, the man who kills them and brags about it, and if he could have "one wish" it would be for you to die.
Well you are simply incorrect. I'm an atheist and i don't make anyone my god. I don't agree with eugenics, and i don't agree with your assertion that all atheists must be "illuminati." I'm totally against the ultra-rich elites controlling humanity. But they ARE doing it, and i can't stop them. Do you think i want them deciding what happens in my life? No! I don't!

I'm a secular naturalist humanist, not a diabolical sociopathic technocrat. There's a huge difference.
 

thepenofareadywriter

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the lie...[ was ] you will not die...there was no death for them and the death that they were talking about was not an immediate death it was the death that we must all face. the truth was that your eyes will be open and you will be as god. when it comes to religion you must use your imagination, in order to put 2 and 2 together
 

ghostdriver

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And for the record, i'm not disagreeing with you about "agenda 21." I just disagree with your irrational correlation with it meaning "god" in any way whatsoever.
[ME

A satanic Occult took over the World and made a One world Religion. This is the next chapter in the HOLY BIBLE Son of GOD came to Earth now Revelations.
---- A list of events involving the Pope fulfilling Prophecy Pope going to Solomon's temple

Blood moon tetrad
Blood moon tetrad predicted new War with Israel. - Also I had a vision which it said would happen to young men who are seeking GOD. See Signature for details.
Warning trumpets


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxChZbfhXmw - Arm Chip commercials in other Country's mark of the beast?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtRCOqWZAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGq-VWQCEG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyS3CEIbpJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G-UNwE1pWU
bongsmilie

These are just SOME of the events...
 
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ghostdriver

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The Son of GOD wasn't conceived by a father or mother he was born a virgin and was with GOD before creation. GOD made creation through HIS Son



They said have developed equations to suggest rip apart molecules and make what they call a vacuum not nothing. LOL
At the heart of this work is the idea that a vacuum is not exactly nothing.

"It is better to say, following theoretical physicist Paul Dirac, that a vacuum, or nothing, is the combination of matter and antimatter -- particles and antiparticles.Their density is tremendous, but we cannot perceive any of them because their observable effects entirely cancel each other out," Sokolov said.


"The basic question what is a vacuum, and what is nothing, goes beyond science," he said. "It's embedded deeply in the base not only of theoretical physics, but of our philosophical perception of everything -- of reality, of life, even the religious question of could the world have come from nothing."


What your religion calls logic and reason for believing the impossible
1. Animals are built a certain way based on there function - LOL truth yet this screams creation not darwinism bacteria people.
2. Living matter is somewhat similar on a molecular level. -Doesn't suggest darwins theory LOL but yes organic material is somewhat similar when compared to sand, metal, water, oxygen.
3. In certain whales sometimes abnormal bone growth has been found on their pelvic bone which is a average a inch. On a eighty foot whale. And all animals and people can have abnormal growth where numerous complex bones grow. Like I had with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sever's_disease or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoliosis- So this is true
You then just assume? The rest of your theory on what?
From those three things you leaned that man and all living things started as the same organism? And that THE HOLY BIBLE isn't true?
WHAT! lets re-read darwins "facts" lol facts that don't suggest his theory in anyway. ^^^
Lets go over the Right whales and Sperm Whales bones again.

Your responses leave me in shame over mankind. A small growth sometimes appears in right whales and sperm whales and is typically a inch and you start to deny GOD.
Everhard Johannes Slijper (1907–1968) was professor of general zoology at Amsterdam University, Netherlands. He was the world’s leading authority on whales. Chapter 2 of his classic work is entitled ‘Evolution and External Appearance.’ In it, he talks about a bone in whales that he calls the ‘pelvic bone,’ which is some 30 centimetres (12 inches) long, ‘but unlike the pelvis of normal mammals it is not attached to the vertebral column.’ This bone serves as an anchorage for the male reproductive organs. Slijper goes on to say that sometimes ‘another small bone may be attached to it.’ Being an evolutionist, he naturally interprets this smaller piece of bone as a throw-back to the femur, or thigh bone, of the whale’s evolutionary ancestor. However, he states that in these occasional cases, the bone in question is generally 2.5 cm (just over an inch) in length, and that it is sometimes ‘fused’ with the pelvic bone.
Note how to this point he has not mentioned anything about a ‘leg’ protruding from a whale’s side. The evidence so far fits just as easily with the idea that some whales (who normally have functional bones in their pelvic region, as he admits) can be born with abnormal bits of bone. There is a complex DNA program which causes the development of the normal bone in this part of the whale’s anatomy. A mutational defect in this program could easily cause one or more extra pieces of bone to form, which would almost inevitably be in the same region, either separate from or fused with the normal bone. In the same way, people can be born with extra fingers, ribs, nipples, etc. If this should extend to two extra pieces of bone, no matter how misshapen or otherwise these were, enthusiastic evolutionists would no doubt interpret one additional piece of bone as a ‘femur,’ and any second one would be labeled a ‘tibia’ (shin bone). Sure enough, Slijper refers to an occasional third bony structure attached to what he has already called a ‘femur’ and labels it as a ‘tibia.’ It occurs in some Right whales and occasionally in some Sperm whales.

Lets talk about some of the impossible things you claim happen because of those three things you observed in the world.
Like my marijuana, you think this seed came from a germ. And it can appear from nothing. And it happens over time.
And Light and water and man and women who physical design is completely exposed to the elements and if we were to attempt to live like "animals" we would die, from too much sun exposure or frostbite and hypothermia. But you claim that we are all one super organism and mankind just decided to do what?Mankind is completely different WOW mankind must of been thinking some happy thoughts? Do thoughts change species form one to another? You are claiming that, Claiming that and then that "law" suddenly changed.
And elephants decided to want to be big? How? Did the "think real big?
This is painful that people believe this blaspheme trash. I think the only reason is because their pride of "i'm perfect and do nothing wrong" contradicts with the truth so they just choose not to involve themselves with the truth, the unavoidable, unstoppable, impending truth.
And light and water and man and women the sun and moon, clouds... and you think these germs can do all these things and leave no evidence and just stop coming from nothing and you don't question how they could do this? Or where they came from? Or why you are physically made the way you are?
And that these germs that have always been here somehow seem to have stopped transforming into things now? And appearing from nothing? Because in reality things don't appear from nothing randomly unless it's made. Things don't switch species when becoming extinct. They just die, and people can't run into the water (us you claiming be the germs) and start to slowly grow gills over generations and become mermaids and be fish people and build Atlantis and have sharks as pets. Shark's, butterflies, scorpions you think came from this same (super organism) that became billions of species and animals based upon what they chose to do while alive. What did the butterfly do to became what it is? What about the shark? What if I want my family to start becoming butterfly people for millions of years later in generation? Best advice?
Or maybe becoming a water melon or marijuana since they are are relative in your religion, you guys got a lot of half melon people in your darwin following?
This is reality not something George Lucas or Steven Spielberg wrote.

Real questions for you^ I will answer yours yet you can't answer mine do you know why? I think you do...
And you choose to ignore and deny all of these facts because..
Because creatures develop abnormalities on there bone!! Not everyone but some in rare occasions
Also I asked people if they smoked marijuana because from my experience people who don't worship GOD can't handle the increase cognitive thoughts that are as associated with marijuana.
bho poison hash doesn't count as marijuana your smoking poison http://www.hempcity.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3627
you not getting high you're getting poisoned. Obviously some illuminati idea to kill smokers or to have BHO kill kids so marijuana can become illegal again.

"You think because GOD ALMIGHTY is the beginning and the end, you can state that the universe can be the same because it's following the same principal? That's completely erroneous.
GOD made the Laws of Physics and is not bound by them.
Before the beginning GOD was.
Matter lacks the ability to create something from nothing, and is bond by the Laws of Physics.


Ceepea : "No, matter has always existed in some form or another. We have no reason to believe matter can be created or destroyed. "

Me:- If matter is here it got created do you have proof that something is able to come from nothing? EXACTLY


Feel free to print off anything and show people the ignorance of this occult religion with impossible statements they claim.

Although many won't care like I said, they have only chosen this religion because this religion promotes homosexuality and sexual perversion. They like Satan's cheap thrill's instead of a quality respectful life with righteousness and THE LORD.


Revelation in THE HOLY BIBLE.
Which is the exact time period we are in.


So this insanity is a battle for your mind by the Anti Christ people, don't be mindless cows going to the slaughter and the Eternity which is THE LAKE OF FIRE.
Seek the LORD JESUS CHRIST GOD's Son and get SAVED

don't worry about the title LOL go to 1 hour 5 mins to see building on the Moon then 1 Hour 20 min they find a person from Noah's days ( Yes they had technology ) before the flood that destroyed all but Noah and those aboard the Ark. See the Nephilim Skulls around 23 minutes in, so you understand these weird skeletons that aren't human. Then Look up Nephlims.

You have been lied and programmed like these kids
 

ghostdriver

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Nephlims explained this was removed by the Catholic Church during their war which Constantine made when he removed a lot of Books.

Go to Forbidden truth page 80 ish I think to understand the war^
 

reasonevangelist

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Men wrote all bibles.

If i live according to a personally tested and adopted code of conduct, in which i respect all other forms of life, strive to avoid causing unnecessary detriment, and seek to enlighten those i feel are missing important bits of insight...

Which "side" would you say that puts me on?


You keep posting that thing about growths on whales... not sure how that's supposed to be relevant.

I like whole "all natural organic" cannabis, personally. I have no need of concentrates or outlandish concoctions or derivatives. But i don't think it's "evil" for other people to enjoy those things, or attempt to find new ways of using things we can produce in accordance with nature. They can do whatever they want, as long as they're not harming anyone else in the process. If other people want to test and explore the limits of the human experience, more power to them. Just don't force anything on me without my informed consent. ^^
 

ghostdriver

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Men wrote all bibles.

If i live according to a personally tested and adopted code of conduct, in which i respect all other forms of life, strive to avoid causing unnecessary detriment, and seek to enlighten those i feel are missing important bits of insight...

Which "side" would you say that puts me on?


You keep posting that thing about growths on whales... not sure how that's supposed to be relevant.

I like whole "all natural organic" cannabis, personally. I have no need of concentrates or outlandish concoctions or derivatives. But i don't think it's "evil" for other people to enjoy those things, or attempt to find new ways of using things we can produce in accordance with nature. They can do whatever they want, as long as they're not harming anyone else in the process. If other people want to test and explore the limits of the human experience, more power to them. Just don't force anything on me without my informed consent. ^^

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.- John 2:22
 

ghostdriver

Well-Known Member
You Didn't answer my questions, didn't comment on the videos...You didn't say much.. I didn't even intend to ask you the marijuana question I copied and pasted this from a time I explained this to another closet Satanist.
 

ghostdriver

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22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.- John 2:22


Well do you or do you not deny that Jesus is the Son of GOD?
 

reasonevangelist

Well-Known Member
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22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.- John 2:22


Well do you or do you not deny that Jesus is the Son of GOD?
I think your judgment criteria are incorrect.

And if you walk the walk you're talking, you should take your own doctrine into consideration, and "let god be the judge."

I'm pretty sure that if a god doesn't want me to believe he exists, he's not going to punish me for not believing. If he wanted me to believe, he's all powerful and could show me personally, without breaking a sweat. He hasn't done that, so the only rational conclusions that can be reached, are: either he doesn't exist, or he doesn't want me to know. Perhaps that is part of his plan? And who you are you to say otherwise?
 

J.Mike

Member
Man and Women coming magically transforming from a microscopic bacteria is insane.
But a Being of all knowledge & power, could certainly create anyway it wanted, that would take the simpletons, known as mankind, eons to figure out, and notice that we weren't given a book on biology but on history and teaching about life.

And since we weren't given the ability of the worm or frog, which can live if part of it get cut off, maybe the lesson here isn't about a person at all. Likely about power and knowledge and the harm it can do/ EVIL, possibly about choosing the right course in life's path./Avoiding Evil

The only recorders according to the bible of this event were Adam Eve and if it could communicate, the serpent.

So, If we are not created through biological action, and poof there was a man, and let me take a rib while he is sleeping. sure. poof woman in the morning. In his eyes, WE ARE the very bacteria that grows in stagnant water, and He left out the glass.
So while again, some of the readers here seemed to have acquired the wisdom to differentiate between good and evil, only our creator knows what will occur, and for some reason the beginning of the book, at this point in time, is no where near the relevance as the end of the book.

Adam, Free will
Eve, Free will
Serpent, disgruntled employee.
God, the only lasting power
 
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